Don't Do This

A General Discussion forum for cars and other topics, and a great place to introduce yourself if you are new to NICO!
User avatar
nissangirl74
Moderator
Posts: 13910
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:15 pm
Car: 2014 Xterra Pro4X, '12 Titan 4x4, '98 240sx, '89 Pao, '77 620, '72 240Z w/RB25, '68 510, '67 WRL411, '67.5 SPL 311, '63 Bluebird, '63 NL320

Post

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Home-Loan ... 82432.html


There are finance experts that are actually advising people to acquire ARM loans. Maybe someone smarter than me can read this article and point out the parts that are supposed to make sense. I can't understand why in the hell someone would intentionally sign up for a loan with an adjustable interest rate.

For an ARM to make sense, a borrower has to be comfortable taking a gamble that interest rates won't rise, or that he can sell the house before they do.
How many houses are up for sale at the moment that can't be sold? Thousands?

That is why ARMs make sense mostly for borrowers who expect to be in a home for a short time. "If the household is truly intending to stay only for five years, they should take the five-year ARM," says Stuart Gabriel, director of the Ziman Center for Real Estate at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Most people who drop a 10% down payment on a house aren't gonna take off in 5 years, IMO. That'd be stupid.

The risk to borrowers is that the new payments after the fixed-rate period are suddenly unaffordable. While there isn't a way to control for a job loss or other unforeseen loss of household income, it doesn't seem likely that interest rates will spike so high in coming years that borrowers will end up paying the maximum, says Cameron Findlay, chief economist at LendingTree.com, an online marketplace that connects consumers to lenders. He expects the government will keep some sort of control over the rate environment as home values and employment recover.
:facepalm: The scariest part of that statement: someone is going to believe him. :ohno:

am I way off base here or does this seem ludicrous?


User avatar
themadscientist
Posts: 26254
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:30 pm
Car: R32 GTR, DR30 RS Turbo, BRZ, Lunchbox, NSR50 Sportster 883 Iron
Location: Staring down at you with disdain from the spooky mountaintop castle.

Post

This begs the question, at what point does society become responsible for saving people from themselves? I am a free market type, but not completely unrestricted. I have no sympathy for stupid people, but I don't like that such risky loan vehicles are allowed to exist. Dumb people getting the results of their stupidity is fine by me, but as we saw in the housing bubble pop the affect of enough bad loans can depress the entire market and crash our economy. The same goes for credit cards. Credit is far to easy to get and has taken on the flavor of legitimate loan sharking under the guise of benevolence.

mmm240
Posts: 6587
Joined: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:22 pm
Car: 95 Nissan 240SX KADE-T
94 Toyota Pickup
91 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
03 Toyota Matrix XR

Post

I have two mortgages. Reason I have two is so I didn't have to pay PMI. The second is small and happens to be an ARM. Less than a year after purchase my ARM dropped below my fixed rate. And has stayed lower since. It's working for me.

User avatar
Encryptshun
Posts: 11309
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:48 am
Car: 2005 Nissan Xterra
Location: Outside Chicago
Contact:

Post

a$$ article wrote:At current rates, a borrower with a $400,000 5/1 ARM will pay about $65,000 in interest over the first five years, while a borrower with a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage will pay around $91,000 in interest during that same period.
Um, whether you pay $65,000 in interest or $91,000 in interest for the first 5 years is irrelevant considering your propertly will be (best case scenario) worth just about the same 5 years from now as it is today. In order to have any equity in it at all, you're going to need to stay in the property for at least 10 years, at which point it becomes overall more expensive to do the ARM than the fixed rate note.

This is EXACTLY the thinking that got us into the housing mess in the first place. Shave points off the front end because by the time the note's ready to adjust, you will have 20% market-driven equity in the property and you can flip it or refi into a fixed mortgage and be right--side-up from the beginning.

Fail then. Fail now.


Return to “General Chat”