Does anyone here still believe Obama isn't a US Citizen?

[Kohster]

poll

[srellim234]

Vague wording for a poll. Does yes mean he is, or he is not?

[smockers83]

How is it vague?

[AZhitman]

...because I could vote Yes, meaning someone here still believes BO is not a US citizen.

Not necessarily meaning myself.

OP fails at polling.

[themadscientist]

It's a moot point with me. He is a radical dishonest left wing ideologue who puts the breakneck pursuit of his personal whacked view of reality before the good of our country. THAT is more relevant to me. His birth certificate is a distant 65th or so. Those that drink the jonesian kool-aid would have voted for him regardless. Law means nothing to them. Substance and honestly means nothing to them, just give them a speech full of mindless catchphrases with no real details or locic to support it and they are ready to believe him.

America, there is a 6 foot easter bunny next to my podium. Now the Republicans are going to tell you there's no easter bunny, but I contend that it's that sort of thinking that is holding this country back. I think that there is a bunny there and if you don't you are a right wing extremist and your neighbor will report you by logging into peopledon'[email protected] Yes they can.

[smockers83]

The question reads:Do you believe Obama is not a US citizen?Yes/No

Yes = you believe he is not a citizenNo = you believe he is a citizen, or you don't believe he is not a US citizen

I don't understand where the vagueness lies.

[themadscientist]

No, the question reads

Quote »Does anyone here still believe Obama isn't a US Citizen?[/quote]Not "You," but "anybody. "The answer is yes. Some people beleive that.

[smockers83]

Context and intent. Goes along with the stuff I've been saying about poor journalism.

If you asked that to a live group of people, those that believe it would say yes, those that don't would say no, or raise their hand or not raise their hand.

[hannibal]

^ true

I'm sorry, but the question is pointless.

I see the bunny.

[AZhitman]

I don't give the OP any quarter.

Nor do I give the Left any quarter.

Welcome to the past 8 years of what the Right (of which I am NOT a member) has had to deal with.

Fair is fair. Don't screw up. Don't mis-speak. Don't give me a chance to dismantle your position and crush it beneath my heel, because that's what I've been itching to do.

The shoe is on the other foot now, and BO, Pelosi, Frank and the rest of the Kool-Aid slingers are in for a long, long four years of "Extreme Accountability".

[marlin29311]

This question is worded as a double negative.

It should read "Do you think Obama is a US citizen?"

[Kohster]

Fair is fair. Don't screw up. Don't mis-speak. Don't give me a chance to dismantle your position and crush it beneath my heel, because that's what I've been itching to do.

um actually I voted for Bush for the first time he ran. So no, I'm not part of "the left" you speak of. I wasn't part of the attacks the left made on the right, either. So, why am I subject to them?

I am free to misspeak if I wish, I'm NOT a politician. If you're going to be an a-hole and not have a debate and instead focus on the semantics that's fine.

[AZhitman]

I wasn't part of the attacks the left made on the right, either. So, why am I subject to them?

Because I like to practice on easy targets.

Makes sparring with people like Tariq much more fun.

I am free to misspeak if I wish, I'm NOT a politician. If you're going to be an a-hole and not have a debate and instead focus on the semantics that's fine.

Indeed you are. And I'm free to do what I do, which is point out the gaping hole in your choice of words, which can lead to all kinds of bad things happening... When I review a proposed statute, it had better be bulletproof. When I prepare for a deposition, my case had better be watertight.

But there's nothing here to debate. I don't disagree with you.

p.s. Name calling isn't nice.

[smockers83]

This question is worded as a double negative.

It should read "Do you think Obama is a US citizen?"

The original debate on semantics is valid, but this one is not. There is no double negative. The only thing you changed was isn't to is. You changed the question but you'll still get the same result with the original question worded in the same manner.

[AZhitman]

The original debate on semantics is valid, but this one is not. There is no double negative.

Correct.

To ask, "Does anyone here still believe Obama isn't a US Citizen?" is flawed.

I can answer, "Yes, several people here still believe BO isn't a US citizen" - a perfectly valid and accurate answer that may or may not reflect my personal view (which is ultimately what the OP was trying to determine).

[nissangirl74]

Two days later and you guys are still pissing on each other? Good grief, let's see if we can get this straightened out....

Do you think Obama is a U.S. citizen? Check the appropriate box....

YES ____ NO______

[themadscientist]

Or, would you like to bag on Kohster some more?

YES X

[szh]

Two days later and you guys are still pissing on each other? Good grief, let's see if we can get this straightened out....

Truly funny discussion here, but the question was poorly phrased to begin with (just as many polls often show the bias of the pollster ... not surprising!).

Do you think Obama is a U.S. citizen? Check the appropriate box....

YES ____ NO______

Still a minor problem with the above. . Semantics perhaps, but it is an important distinction that I mention here.

I'll leave it to you in the form of a simple commentary and question: I (i.e., me, yours truly) am a US Citizen, with all its rights, etc., but I am still totally ineligible to hold the office of POTUS (as the current Constitution requirements have it), even if I were elected to office by unanimous acclaim. ... So ... why am I ineligible?

Z

[Poyzinous]

That torso leads me to believe the bunny killed a bear.Why is BO's citizenship questioned?

[audtatious]

That torso leads me to believe the bunny killed a bear.Why is BO's citizenship questioned?

Because only natural born citizens can be President, thus if he was not then he is ineligible.

[audtatious]

Why are there two threads for the same stupid subject? Him being a US citizen isn't even an issue.

Damn stupidity in motion.....

[Poyzinous]

Yes I know those things, Born US, 35 years or older, no felonies, no known alliances with nazis or terrorists or c-span, etc.But I don't know why his citizenship is being questioned. Is it because he was born in the last state to become part of the Union being 2100 miles away? Its also the only state that doesn't have a straight line in its boundary. But the only state that grows coffee. I'm not a supporter nor an opposer. Just wondering, as I saw this randomly mentioned in a newspaper.

[audtatious]

Because if he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii then he would be ineligible to be President.

[themadscientist]

They have lions in kenya...

[audtatious]

How about tigers and bears?

Oh My!

[Poyzinous]

They have lions in kenya...

SUPER cute picture

[themadscientist]

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/

[szh]

Because if he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii then he would be ineligible to be President.

Ah, now here is where the rubber meets the road!! My opinion is that you are incorrect about this. Let me explain why I think so - regardless of the fact that I do not like him in the office of POTUS.

It is the phrase "natural-born US citizen" that is in question. BTW, The answer to my earlier question is: I am a "naturalized" US citizen, but not a "natural-born" US citizen and thus ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.

So, let's see if one more issue can be discussed: if one (or both) of the parents is a US citizen, and a child is born overseas for some reason, is the child a "natural-born" US citizen or not?

Some people say yes, some no ... but that has repercussions today which may not have been thought through by the writers of the Constitution!

For example, if US citizens working for the State department or the military are in a foreign country when their child is born, is the child a "natural-born US citizen" or not? This, btw, was exactly the issue that John McCain faced ... since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone to parents in the military.

My opinion (which has also been espoused by some legal experts): if a parent is US citizens, then the child is a US citizen, no matter where he/she is born. As long as that parent has not explicitly renounced US citizenship (there is a specific form and procedure available in US embassies for doing this!).

IMHO, this makes Obama a US Citizen and eligible for the office of POTUS. His mother was a US citizen - whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya is still irrelevant!

My opposition to him being elected does not have anything to do with his birth ... it has to do with my belief in his ability to do the job and also to espouse the over-liberal, socialist cause of the Democratic party members today. The check-and-balance in the Federal government has been lost with the recent elections.

Note that there are some interesting foreign examples too. Up until some years back, the UK government stated that a child born on UK soil was a UK citizen no matter what nationality the parents. Thus, my wife, who was born in Oxford, UK, is a natural UK citizen even though her parents were non-citizen students living there at the time. They were married in the UK, and my wife was born well after they had been there for a while - no funny last-minute travel involved!

And, now, since my wife is a natural UK citizen, our son is also a UK citizen even though he was born here in the US. Of course, he is also a "natural-born" US citizen, since both of his parents (my wife and I) are naturalized US citizens when he was born, and he was born in the US. He has a US passport and a UK passport (since multiple-nationality is now accepted by the US government).

Some years back, the UK government passed a law that if the mother was NOT a UK citizen, then the child could not be a UK citizen - even if the child was born in the UK! This was done because many people were traveling to the UK from Commonwealth countries and having their children there!

Makes the term "natural-born" somewhat tricky to define and maintain in this day and age, no?

Z

[szh]

How about tigers

No natural tigers in Africa! They are not native to that continent, afaik.

Z

[audtatious]

I was trying for the "10 words or less" approach

I don't think there are bears there either......