Does anyone have a ka24de which produces 200+ HP and/or 200+ torque??

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

I run a stock fuel pump and I dont have any problems.:thinker

Post by **Blade7764** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Use Nitrous

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

sorry not into NOS.

Post by **240 or die** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Could you get your stock cams shaved, and would it be worth it. That is compared to spending $350+?

Post by **wanabe240esx** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

hey, lost to a k kar, you dont happen to have any more head work, polishing and porting websites do you?

that would be swell dude, i love doin stuff myself

thanx

--alex

Post by **Bbill528** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

technoman wrote:on the dyno my 98 pushed 170Hp and 196 foot lbs of torque.

Flywheel or to the wheels? I want that much power either way, that's a lot of torque.

Post by **Daunttless** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Thats what he pushed to the wheels if I remember what he said correctly..

Post by **AEROdOUT240SX** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Quote »Yea I know.. I just spell it that way so it dosnt look like Im talking about a kiddie to the newbie's.[/quote]

maybe u are a newbie to this....did u ever hear of a KAT, KA-T, etc? ya know....what 99.9% of nissan heads call a KA Turbo. calling a Cat a Kat is whats confusing everyone else.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

AEROdOUT240SX wrote:maybe u are a newbie to this....did u ever hear of a KAT, KA-T, etc? ya know....what 99.9% of nissan heads call a KA Turbo. calling a Cat a Kat is whats confusing everyone else.

That wasn't the problem with me anyway. I just wanted to make sure he knew what that cat was short for catalytic.

Post by **doctorj240** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

I'm pretty sure he knows. He was a nissan tech.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

doctorj240 wrote:I'm pretty sure he knows. He was a nissan tech.

I know that now. I didn't know that the first time I posted about this subject.

Post by **doctorj240** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

oh. my bad

Post by **JeromeS13** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

So, where is this dyno sheet? The most I've ever really seen out of a KA was ~ 170 to the rear wheels and that was WITH higher compression. Around 11.1 to 1 if I'm not mistaken.

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Well I have tried to post jpeg's on here but the sight says Im attaching the wrong format and I know that Im not. So what ever. Half the time I logg in It lets me logg in but when I go to type a post it says im not logged in So what ever!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **JeromeS13** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Email it to me, I'll host it for you..

[email protected]

thanks

Post by **ESPER** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

i want to see it too!!

Post by **Turbo_Nismo_EC** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

I just wanted to know what the deal with Courtesy Nissan is. When I was researching for stuff for my SOHC KA I called Nissan Motorsports. I've heard people mention Courtesy Nissan quite a few times in here. I live 20 minutes from there, you know they are just a standard Nissan dealership parts store right? They can just get Nismo parts, they are not a Nismo specialist. Granted a couple guys up there know quite a bit more than most dealership parts stores, but they are by no means experts. I was just courious why people keep referring to them.

Post by **JeromeS13** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Turbo_Nismo_EC wrote:I just wanted to know what the deal with Courtesy Nissan is. When I was researching for stuff for my SOHC KA I called Nissan Motorsports. I've heard people mention Courtesy Nissan quite a few times in here. I live 20 minutes from there, you know they are just a standard Nissan dealership parts store right? They can just get Nismo parts, they are not a Nismo specialist. Granted a couple guys up there know quite a bit more than most dealership parts stores, but they are by no means experts. I was just courious why people keep referring to them.

Because if you've ever got quotes from them on prices, they're GREAT compared to all of our local dealers. I got a quote from my local dealer for some brake parts. I got them cheaper from Courtesy even counting the overnight delivery charges!!!

Post by **UncleBen** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

i wanna see it

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

JeromeS13 wrote:Because if you've ever got quotes from them on prices, they're GREAT compared to all of our local dealers. I got a quote from my local dealer for some brake parts. I got them cheaper from Courtesy even counting the overnight delivery charges!!!

Exactly, the give a 25% discount and ship stuff fast. And most people prefer to deal with them over a local dealer who knows nothing.

That is, until Courtesy screws up your account by charging you $535 for something you never ordered and then says it's your fault. When they do that, they loose customers.

So anyway, that's another story, but I prefer to use Mossy Nissan in CA now. Even farther away, but even better service.

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Well Im still looking for the dyno sheet. I found one of them but not the last one that was done. The waight of my car is 2785. On the run that produced 196lb of torque. I don't believe it to be right. That engine Can't push that much torque. I can admitt that. The guy that set up the dyno put in my waight at 3250 which is way off. As soon as I find a way to scan this one I Know is right I will, But it was before the porting and the JWT ECU. Im going to post the Dyno I feel is the most accurate. 150Hp 144lb torque to the wheels. Because I don't want to post inaccurate numbers. SO FLAME ME IF YOU WANT.....

I don't care because I'm "Technoman"......

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

technoman wrote:Well Im still looking for the dyno sheet. I found one of them but not the last one that was done. The waight of my car is 2785. On the run that produced 196lb of torque. I don't believe it to be right. That engine Can't push that much torque. I can admitt that. The guy that set up the dyno put in my waight at 3250 which is way off. As soon as I find a way to scan this one I Know is right I will, But it was before the porting and the JWT ECU. Im going to post the Dyno I feel is the most accurate. 150Hp 144lb torque to the wheels. Because I don't want to post inaccurate numbers. SO FLAME ME IF YOU WANT.....

I don't care because I'm "Technoman"......

The weight of your car doesn't effect the torque read on the dyno. If you used an inertia type dyno, which I assume you did, then you are accelrating a known mass with a known inertia at a given rate, which is torque (a force applied at a distance, r, from the center of a known inertia mass, the roller). Weight does not play a part in it.

If you used a water brake dyno, then you are accelrating a roller (or rollers) attached to a strain gauge. The strain gauge reads force (lbs) at a certain length away from where it attached (feet). That is where torque gets the the measurement lb-ft (lbs multiplied by feet away).

If you used an eddy current dyno, then the inertia is electronically controlled by applying electrical resistance to the rollers turning. The more electrical resistance, the higher the moment of inertia. So the higher the moment of inertia, the more torque it took to spin the rollers.

Weight isn't a part of any of those scenarios.

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Well needless to say I think the dyno is wrong. I have built a few Nissan motors and I know an N/a ka motor would need around 13.5.1 to hit those torque marks. Im going to have it dyno'ed again real soon. The other dyno sheet I have that I feel is very close to right. I will post as soon as I find a scanner.

Post by **JeromeS13** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

This is the dyno chart I've been sent. It shows 148.6 HP and 141.1 TQ.

and....a little bit larger here:http://personal.atl.bellsouth....o.jpg

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Hey thanks for posting that for me. The dyno room was 96 degrees and with no fan in the front of my car

.Recently I have ported the head and installed a 95 ecu from JWT.I would guess it makes somewere around 158 to 160 Hp to the wheels to date.

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Is it better to do a 3rd gear pull or a 4th gear pull? I allways do a 4th grear pull.

Post by **Zebrahead** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

I/H/E (about $1100) - 7-9HPcams (about $350) - 7-9HPpistons (about $250) - 12-15HPECU ($500)- 3-5HPignition/flywheel/pulleys/clutch/plugs/wire (probably around $1200) - might gain 1-2HP

If you average those numbers and add them you'd get like 35HP to the wheels for approximately $3,500. That does not include intstall, just prices for the products. With all that, good tires, and driving well, you could push 180-190HP to the wheels.

Now, with all this, why not buy an SR, and spend another 2k and have 250rwhp running 12s? WIth the setup listed above, you're topped out.

Just my opinion.

Post by **technoman** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

here is the break down of what i spent to get that hpcams 300hotshot intake 100hotshot header 300electric fans 100asp pully 100cat back borla 250spec 2 clutch 250

$1400 dollers is what i spent i installed everything my self. The dyno run was done with ODB 2 and no head porting.

Post by **doctorj240** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

Some people want to see the capabilities of their cars while they're NA. The only things that won't transfer over to a turbo KA on technoman's 240 are the intake and header. So he's not really wasting money, nor am I with what I've installed. It's just that when his car is turboed it'll be faster than your sr and probably for less money.

Post by **Zebrahead** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:41 pm

technoman wrote:here is the break down of what i spent to get that hp

get what HP? If you think cams/I/H/E will get you to 200rwhp, you are sadly mistaken, you'd be more like 150 to the wheels. Unless you've got stuff on your car already . . .

Nick.

Does anyone have a ka24de which produces 200+ HP and/or 200+ torque??

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