So im tryn to sell off some rims of mine, want 60+ ship, and this guy sends me this email. How could anyone for one minute believe that this is real? It just boggles my mind.
Quote »Hello Johan,Thanks for the prompt response.I'm a USA citizen but presently out of States on a business trip.I am happy you are willing to sell to me.As regards the shipping I have an international shipping agent that he would be on ground to do the pick up as soon as we seal this transaction.As regards the payment,there is a client of mine in the USA that is owing me,I would instruct him to make out a USA certified check to you for $6900,although the money is more than the value of the purchase but I want to trust you with the money,so as soon as you receive the check,kindly take the check to any check cashing store and cash the check and do me the favour of sending balance via Western Union Transfer to my shipper for immediate shipping arrangment.I will like to let you know that the check that is going to be sent to you is a check for a cancelled order I made with my client.So the order I made was for $6900 and I also want to pay my shipper from this money so that is why you will be receiving a check in that amount so that you will cash it and send the difference to my shipper directly so that they will come to your location for the pick up.If my terms is acceptable to you,do furnish me with the full name of which the check will be sent to and the residential contact address and your phone number and get back to me immediately so that I can instruct my client to send the check to you as soon as possible.Thanking you in anticipation,Best Regards,Jerry.[/quote]
Do people actually fall for this crap?
Re: Do people actually fall for this crap?
Tell him you've got another bidder, and then drag the thing on forever. Get the ******* in a bidding war with a an imaginary other party. He'll eventually give up, I'm sure.Toahk wrote:So im tryn to sell off some rims of mine, want 60+ ship, and this guy sends me this email. How could anyone for one minute believe that this is real? It just boggles my mind.
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The scam?Altiman94 wrote:what is that all about?
Usually it targets people selling bigger ticket items, like cars. Here's how it goes...
Joe from Sweden is interested in buying your car, a 1982 VW Rabbit (diesel) for $100. He saw it on Autotrader or something.
Now, instead of sending you $100, he's gonna send you a cashier's check for $5000 'cause he's got a buddy in the 'States who he just happens to owe $4900.
Since he thinks your a real stand up guy, Joe the Swede will send you the check for $5K and ask you to send a check/wire money for $4900 to his buddy. You get to keep the $100 in payment for the car. Hell, maybe he let's you keep a few hundred extra for your trouble.
Thing is, he needs you to send his buddy the check/wired money ASAP. You get his cashier's check (probably from some bank half way across the country) and you cash it. Your bank says "thanks" and there's $5K in your account. You write the check for $4900 and everything's good.
You've still got the car and you've got $100. Joe's gonna have someone pick it up later. Life is good...until your bank is informed by the bank that issued the "cashiers check" that it's counterfeit and not worth ****.
Guess who's out $4900. Here's a hint, it's not the bank.
The whole key to the scam is that you write the check before your bank finds out the cashier's check is bogus. If the guy sends you the check and then you start ****ing around, he's gonna get *real* nervous.
Anyway, that's how I understand it.
Play this guy along and actually try to get a cashiers check out of him, then turn it into the proper authorities while telling him you are "waiting for it to clear". This should at least worry him a bit and if nothing else, wasting peoples time is always a good thing, especially when theres a chance of getting them nailed for fraud 
I don't think so. It's probably not difficult to make a decent looking cashier's check with some good paper, a good printer and a gullible victim. I think scammers like this tend to go for volume. If you send out a hundred of these and 98 people tell you to go **** yourself, you've still got two suckers who will give you their money.2BN_S13 wrote:WOW its gotta be an inside job to forge checks like that. did anyone here see that movie "catch me if you can"? Leo got nailed hard for those check scams. If you bring one of those guys down, your gonna solve a much bigger problem.
Unfortunately, I think most of these guys are working in other countries and having any sort of legal action taken is probably not gonna happen.
I replied this by the way
-Verified paypal only. http://www.paypal.com, thanks. And I even lowered the price 5 dollars, gave me a chuckle.
-Verified paypal only. http://www.paypal.com, thanks. And I even lowered the price 5 dollars, gave me a chuckle.
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My roomate is selling his beamer. Here is an email he got yesterday:
Ok,Thanks for your response on to this sale,so i will like you to know that am still much interest in the CAR but i want you to know that the payment we be on cheque payment and i all want you to provide me your information full details for the cut check to be delieverd to you in your area and contact phone with the full name to cut the payment and i want you to know that i will andle the shipper by my finance act on the sale which my client owning me amount of $4,500. Also i will instruct him to issue you a cheque of $6,000 on my behalf and as soon as the cheque arrives, you will deduct out your amount and send the difference Rest funds to my shipper for the pick up in your place, i hope i can trust you for my rest balance and also you will be contacting my shipper with all neccesary information needed for pick up in your place i.e the actual weight and exact dimension of the CAR . if this terms are okay by you, do get back to me with the following full details .Looking forward to read from you soonest today.
Thanks.Kinds Regards.
Ok,Thanks for your response on to this sale,so i will like you to know that am still much interest in the CAR but i want you to know that the payment we be on cheque payment and i all want you to provide me your information full details for the cut check to be delieverd to you in your area and contact phone with the full name to cut the payment and i want you to know that i will andle the shipper by my finance act on the sale which my client owning me amount of $4,500. Also i will instruct him to issue you a cheque of $6,000 on my behalf and as soon as the cheque arrives, you will deduct out your amount and send the difference Rest funds to my shipper for the pick up in your place, i hope i can trust you for my rest balance and also you will be contacting my shipper with all neccesary information needed for pick up in your place i.e the actual weight and exact dimension of the CAR . if this terms are okay by you, do get back to me with the following full details .Looking forward to read from you soonest today.
Thanks.Kinds Regards.
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when i was trying to sell the miata i got one of those emails.....
my reply was "what part about the word CASH do you not understand?"
this crap is a huge scam and i've had tons of friends get the same emails for cars (they hope you ship it before you find out it's a scam). and it's always in the exact same format, you'd think they'd get a little more creative with it so people don't catch on;)
my reply was "what part about the word CASH do you not understand?"
this crap is a huge scam and i've had tons of friends get the same emails for cars (they hope you ship it before you find out it's a scam). and it's always in the exact same format, you'd think they'd get a little more creative with it so people don't catch on;)
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kyle1911 wrote:you cant tell me that the banks you cash your checks at cant tell if it is forged? you would really need to be skilled at makign forged checks, to even get that far..
i sold a few items on ebay and never got one of those style e-mails.
True,Let me tell you from experience (both my sisters worked in banks) tellers (typically paid low wages or new hires) dont always pay attention to the checks they receive. My littlest sister worked in the check department for NCB. She saw a lot of crap checks come across her desk. She once saw a Xerox copy of a check that was cashed by a branch teller. A NBA star's brother photo copied a team paycheck and cashed it at a branch. Some banks will put a hold on a check that is over a certain amounts. There are also rules on having available funds in your account before you cash and withdrawn money from a check.
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Among other ways to tell a bad check, you can use telecheck. First of all, only a certain pigment of print can be read under the scanners. Second, the routing number has to match the account number given. Third, the whole transaction has to be approved by a third party verifying money in the account matching the discription from the numbers. The only reason you can get away with this scheme is if you use an out-of-country bank, or something really far away, i.e. a bank not regularly connected via the internet or some kind of network compatible with the one used for the transaction. In that case it takes a while to transfer the account information and some banks are dumb enough to hand out the funds without verifying.
Thus, an inside job.
Thus, an inside job.
Supafly wrote:this crap is a huge scam and i've had tons of friends get the same emails for cars (they hope you ship it before you find out it's a scam). and it's always in the exact same format, you'd think they'd get a little more creative with it so people don't catch on;)
They don't even care about the car. They just want the money. The actual car never really enters in to the equation.
And as for what 2BN_S13 said, these aren't personal checks, they're bogus cashier's checks that look pretty much like the real deal. I'm pretty sure that when you give your bank a cashier's check from another bank, the money is available in your account very quickly (ie. 24 hours). It can take longer than that for the issuing bank to tell if a check is bogus. Of course, since the scammers usually use the same bogus check over and over, once a bank picks up on it, they flag those checks as "bogus". I still don't think there's an easy way for *your* bank to know that unless they call the issuing bank.
