DIY Direct Bolt Up 180sx 280mm brake swap WITH NO OVERHANG

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So I have finally figured it out. AND THIS SHOULD BE STICKIED! Everyone has been doing what the Wiki page for 180sx swap tells you to do. That is to use the 93-01 Altima rotors and calipers or 89-99 Maxima calipers (since alt and max used the same ones) However this gives you a 6mm overhang. No good. I would never be satisfied with an overhang... 180sx that come with these brakes do not have an overhang. So obviously these aren't the right calipers/brackets.

So after some hard core research I discovered that the 85-88 Maxima used a 274mm rotor of the same thickness with the same caliper and the same hub assembly, just 4 lug and the caliper mounting bracket and pads are different. It turns out that this is the SAME EXACT caliper/mounting bracket/pad that nissan used on the 180sx 91-96. The difference in the rotor diameter 88 to 89 maxima is 6mm exactly btw meaning that the bracket is adjusted 6mm lower.. perfect.

And infact IT IS PERFECT. So without further adue... here it is ....

Difficulty: Scale of 1-10 for difficulty this is a 3. You have to be able to break the 19mm caliper bracket bolts free and have knowlege of brake bleeding.

Price: For me this cost $190 total. I got cross drilled and slotted rotors also... Loaded caliper (comes with bracket, hardware and pads) cost 180 - the 70 core charge... so 110 total. I payed 70 for the rotors from 88 rotors. +10 for the brake fluid (I got a good DOT 4) If you got standard rotors you would save 30 bucks..

The car with it's old stock size replacement cross drilled and slotted rotors from 88 rotors... 252mm diameter 18mm thickness
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The new equipment. You need 88 Maxima loaded calipers (came with Raybestos Semi-metallic pads and bracket and all hardware) cost me $100 for the pair at Mainly Foreign. (a local auto parts store that makes autozone etc look bad) And 93-01 Altima 280mm rotors (I got them from 88 rotors for $70, they match the rears I got when I did the stock upgrade)
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The size difference.. 280mm diameter 22mm thickness for the new ones
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Ok from here you need to install the new stuff by removing the old (19mm socket to get caliper bracket off/back on) and you have to modify the hell out of the splash guard/sheild on the hub. You can see I just cut mine and bent it back. Also remove the brake line from the caliper by pinching the rubber line with a vice grip then removing the 12mm bolt from the back of the caliper. This bolts directly to the new caliper perfectly. Loosen bleeder, then remove the vice and wait for brake fluid to come out of the bleeder. You have now bled your new caliper and its ready to use. That's called a gravity bleed and it works fine if done correctly if your just replacing a caliper like this. If your not satisfied with that you can bleed them correctly with a friend.
Installed
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NO OVERHANG AT ALL
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Their will be a slight gap BELOW the pad because the pads are made for a 274mm rotor not a 280mm one... but that is ok because the gap is BELOW the pad and not above the rotor (Note: the stock 180sx also has this gap) You could get rid of it by modifying the hell out of the mounting bracket to make the altima (same year as rotor) pads fit with modification to the pad as well. But that was WAY more work than I wanted to do. The gap is fine by me. A bigger pad would just increase front brake bias.
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And FILLING UP a 15" sport tuner wheel...
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Very close to the wheel wieghts on the inside of the rim...
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Also I installed some brake vents to cool the brakes down better. They don't rub either.

Here's a mini write up on them just as a bonus lol.

I have the inner fender lining cut away on the front half of my fender. No pics but just cut yours off at the highest point in the wheel well and only use the back half of it. The part that goes back under the chasis to the door. The front part is not necessary and will have to be removed to be out of the way. You also have to remove that black box thing from the driverside inner fender and IDK about the windshield washer reservoir clearance because I don't have mine anymore... I'd say it would probably be in the way but I'm not 100% sure about that.

I used a 20ft piece of standard RV sewer hose cut in half using half for each side as the tubing. It's $7 at walmart. I used long black automotive zip ties to attach it. I attached it to the FACTORY BRAKE COOLING VENTS that are non functional from the factory. I made them functional by removing the vent and pulling the tubing through the hole in the bumper and zip tieing the tube to the vent. (note that the tube is bigger around than the vent is tall so you will have to squish it slightly to get it through the hole)
Here you can see how it's monted to the vent.
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Zip tie the tube to the factory toe hook running it OVER the fender brace and zip tie it also to the Tension Rod and since I have no sway bar I used the sway bar end link hole in the LCA to mount it also. You could just zip it to the sway bar or it's endlinkif you have one.
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You then run the other end of the tube to the hole in the spash guard just behind the caliper and shock tube. The hole is slightly smaller than the tube and is square but it should work none the less. Since my splash guard is bent back I just zip tied it through the hole to secure it. The zip ties do not touch the rotor.
Best pic of the way it runs to the hole and hole location I could get. You'll find it and see what I'm talking about.
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Edit: found a picture showing the hole. And also the modification required to the splash guard..
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Anyways hope you enjoy my little brake upgrade. I still can't believe I'm the first person to discover this swap...
Last edited by rsmithdrift on Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:20 pm, edited 4 times in total.


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heck yea dude :woot: the brake cooling vents were a real good idea

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mn011890 wrote:heck yea dude :woot: the brake cooling vents were a real good idea
I live in the mountians and my favorite thing to do is DRIVE said mountains.. so to me brake fade is my worst enemy. Even with cross drilled/slotted rotors and ceramic pads the stock sized rotors were fading half way down my two favorite runs. And by the bottom I was at complete brake failure complete with the pads on the edge of FIRE and smoking profusely. So this was all very necessary. lol

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definitly sticky or DIY submission in the tech pages section

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Hmm, wouldn't the Q45 brake upgrade be better?
It is a 2 piston, compared to 1 piston, it's pad grabs the whole rotor, and it's a real easy swap.
Sweet find though!

Also, you should pair this upgrade up with an Altima rear rotor upgrade to balance the brakes out! It helps a lot!
Just use Z31 caliper brackets, and the stock rear brakes + pads, and '02-'06 Altima rear rotors.

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Razi wrote:Hmm, wouldn't the Q45 brake upgrade be better?
It is a 2 piston, compared to 1 piston, it's pad grabs the whole rotor, and it's a real easy swap.
Sweet find though!

Also, you should pair this upgrade up with an Altima rear rotor upgrade to balance the brakes out! It helps a lot!
Just use Z31 caliper brackets, and the stock rear brakes + pads, and '02-'06 Altima rear rotors.
Q45 is 5 lug, not 4 lug and requires much more modification and work and expense because of it. Also the 2 piston doesn't clear many wheels, including most 15"'s. I have no wheel upgrades planned for the near future as I'm happy with my current ones for now. Till I can afford the 17"s I want.

I looked HARD into every possible brake swap option for a long time before deciding this was the best one for me.

And I'll def look into that rear brake swap thing. Thanks.

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Ohh I see.
The 4lug 5lug thing isn't too bad since you can drill em out, but wheel clearance makes sense.

Haha your brakes won't catch fire anymore hopefully!

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yup i lucky got ll this of an sr clip

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rsmithdrift wrote: Q45 is 5 lug, not 4 lug and requires much more modification and work and expense because of it. Also the 2 piston doesn't clear many wheels
You can use the circuit sport 26mm Z brakes. They're only 1mm less on both sides than the Q, not a really big deal. And the q45 brakes, the pistons are on the back side, so clearance is not that bad, at least compared to Z brakes.

I read about this swap, sounded pretty cool. Just curious about pad selection.

Nice wright up non the less. :)

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Even if you use the Circuit Sports Z32 Rotors, its still a much more expensive swap than what he's talking about. Calipers alone will usually run you the better part of $200, then rotors, good pads, conversion lines, beer... It all adds up

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He meant those rotors with Q calipers which are cheap to find and cheap to rebuild.

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rsmithdrift wrote:Q45 is 5 lug, not 4 lug and requires much more modification and work and expense because of it.
Actually, I heard that you can just use 4-lug Alitma rotors instead of redrilling the q45 rotors. So there really isn't a lot of modification required..

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OutToWinPAHC wrote:He meant those rotors with Q calipers which are cheap to find and cheap to rebuild.
OIC... that makes more sense :biggrin:

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I bought a front clip that came with the front brakes and rotors so all I did was get new rotors and pads and added ss brake lines. Work great!

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angelscrx wrote:I bought a front clip that came with the front brakes and rotors so all I did was get new rotors and pads and added ss brake lines. Work great!
ok?? we cant all just buy front clips to get the brakes. :slap:

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Gabes13 wrote:
rsmithdrift wrote: Q45 is 5 lug, not 4 lug and requires much more modification and work and expense because of it. Also the 2 piston doesn't clear many wheels
You can use the circuit sport 26mm Z brakes. They're only 1mm less on both sides than the Q, not a really big deal. And the q45 brakes, the pistons are on the back side, so clearance is not that bad, at least compared to Z brakes.

I read about this swap, sounded pretty cool. Just curious about pad selection.

Nice wright up non the less. :)
Actually if you used 300z rotors not only would the thickness be slightly less but the diameter would be 5mm less. So basically you'd create pad overhang. No good.

Oh and for pad selection. I am running raybestos semi-metallics currently. But I was looking into Hawk HPS. Hawks full line up is available for this fitment. Also EBC or whatever that cheap knock off brand is is available too. + the full line up of run-the-mill pads from auto parts stores that you usually find. Others may be avialable but I'm a fan of Raybestos and Hawk so those are the only two I cared to look for. lol

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do these have the same wheel clearence then stock s13 brakes? And is the q45 cailper wheel clearence that much worse?

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lol EBC is not an ebay brand. They make some great pads, and the best motorcycle pads you can get.

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troskinatior wrote:do these have the same wheel clearence then stock s13 brakes? And is the q45 cailper wheel clearence that much worse?
They are s13 brakes... they came on 180sx from the factory.. But I think I know what you mean. No they are much larger than USDM 240sx brakes. But they clear 15" alloy wheels just fine. That said I have like 5mm clearance on my cheapo brand 15" tuner wheels.. lol. The dust covers on the bleeder valves actually rub the inside of the rim slightly O_o.

And you can't run 15" rims with q45 brakes. They're too big. They are over 10mm larger (caliper hieght wise) which is a main reason I didn't choose them. And you'd have to do a 5 lug swap or redrill to fit the rotor. And you HAVE to use the right rotor if you don't want nasty overhang.. So yea that option kinda got ruled out for me quick like. 300z is a good direct swap, but again, won't fit 15" wheels and you need other things to make them work and they cost alot more.. no thank you.

I see this as the best all around option for big brakes on a budget. Can't beat under $200 installed with all new performance parts and a direct bolt up install that's easy as changing a caliper and rotor.. Win win WIN. Plus now I can say I have JDM 180sx brakes y0. LMAO.




Also I finally got them broke in and I just did a test run on my mountains, the ones that are notorious for brake failure and I am VERY HAPPY to report that I made it down the mountian aggressively for the first time w/o having any brake fade issues. The greatest thing about these brakes is that when they get hot and fade you can just push the pedal a little harder and they still have enough power to lock em up. Even at their hottest point. And the pedal never feels heavy. I never lost confidence in braking. YES!!!! :mike :woot:

When my old USDM OEM brakes got hot and faded about halfway down the mountain I would loose them completely and it was scary as shiz. Those days are gone now finally. This the single greatest upgrade I've ever done to my car.

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OutToWinPAHC wrote:lol EBC is not an ebay brand. They make some great pads, and the best motorcycle pads you can get.
I've seen pictures of EBC pads separating from their steel back plates... I would never put that on my car.

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just to put it out there i am running q45's on the front and i use to have '89 s13 15" tear drops and had no issues what so ever, it was a close fit, but they fit.

*edit: i am highly interested in the rear altima rotors mod, so if anyone knows how to do it or can please link me up to the thread i would greatly appreciate it!

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rsmithdrift wrote:
Actually if you used 300z rotors not only would the thickness be slightly less but the diameter would be 5mm less. So basically you'd create pad overhang. No good.
I'm pretty sure z32, altima and q45 rotors are all 280mm.
ka-t4u wrote: *edit: i am highly interested in the rear altima rotors mod, so if anyone knows how to do it or can please link me up to the thread i would greatly appreciate it!
Yo:

diy-larger-rear-rotor-upgrade-t483332.html

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rsmithdrift wrote:
troskinatior wrote:do these have the same wheel clearence then stock s13 brakes? And is the q45 cailper wheel clearence that much worse?
No they are much larger than USDM 240sx brakes. But they clear 15" alloy wheels just fine. That said I have like 5mm clearance on my cheapo brand 15" tuner wheels.. lol. The dust covers on the bleeder valves actually rub the inside of the rim slightly
Damn because I have some oldschool 14" wheels with -10 offset that bariely clear the usdm brakes

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ka-t4u wrote:just to put it out there i am running q45's on the front and i use to have '89 s13 15" tear drops and had no issues what so ever, it was a close fit, but they fit.
correct, i have j30's on the front right now. and they clear my 15's. im about to swap for q45's since i have the calipers but i need to get my powerslot rotors. the j30 and q45 calipers are basically identical. so nobody should have problems with th q45's or even j30's and 15's stock wheels.

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Gabes13 wrote:
rsmithdrift wrote:
Actually if you used 300z rotors not only would the thickness be slightly less but the diameter would be 5mm less. So basically you'd create pad overhang. No good.
I'm pretty sure z32, altima and q45 rotors are all 280mm.
ka-t4u wrote: *edit: i am highly interested in the rear altima rotors mod, so if anyone knows how to do it or can please link me up to the thread i would greatly appreciate it!
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diy-larger-rear-rotor-upgrade-t483332.html
Q45 rotors are 295mm 5 lug. 300z and altima are both 280mm.

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umm redrill?? thats what i did.. been driving like that for the past year.

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Razi wrote:Hmm, wouldn't the Q45 brake upgrade be better?
It is a 2 piston, compared to 1 piston, it's pad grabs the whole rotor, and it's a real easy swap.
Sweet find though!

Also, you should pair this upgrade up with an Altima rear rotor upgrade to balance the brakes out! It helps a lot!
Just use Z31 caliper brackets, and the stock rear brakes + pads, and '02-'06 Altima rear rotors.
I run the same setup and it's amazing.

Running single caliper fronts just isn't a good idea.

Not to mention the Q45 front brake swap is cheaper.

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ILoveMyRHS13 wrote:
Razi wrote:Hmm, wouldn't the Q45 brake upgrade be better?
It is a 2 piston, compared to 1 piston, it's pad grabs the whole rotor, and it's a real easy swap.
Sweet find though!

Also, you should pair this upgrade up with an Altima rear rotor upgrade to balance the brakes out! It helps a lot!
Just use Z31 caliper brackets, and the stock rear brakes + pads, and '02-'06 Altima rear rotors.
I run the same setup and it's amazing.

Running single caliper fronts just isn't a good idea.

Not to mention the Q45 front brake swap is cheaper.
ok please explain... why is single piston front brakes a bad idea?? Cause I have a noticeable front brake bias right now and it seems that would just exaggerate the problem. And cheaper?? Really?? Under $200 bucks for 100%new performance parts? I just have a hard time believing that for some reason.

BTW I really am surprised q45 clear 15" cause they are slightly larger diameter and bigger caliper and I can't fit a sheet of paper in the gap i have now.. so that's just surprising to me. I thought there was NO WAY after looking them up and looking at a junkyard...

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I cleared my 15" alloy wheels real easy.
Sorry for the blurry picture, I didn't know how to take proper pictures back then.
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costa_rican13 wrote:
angelscrx wrote:I bought a front clip that came with the front brakes and rotors so all I did was get new rotors and pads and added ss brake lines. Work great!
ok?? we cant all just buy front clips to get the brakes. :slap:
I guess I should have put more information on here, Sorry.

I also bought Altima Cross drilled rotors and had them redrilled for 4 lug with Maxima pads. I didn't use the stock rotors.


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