Discussing Sarah Palin

[rn79870]

I agree with your premise, but just to point out something. If elected, McCain would be the oldest to start in the office.

Regardless, given his genetics (look at his Mom), he should survive the first four years and maybe even eight, barring accidents.

Z

Whoops, you missed something more important than his mom.

His father; January 17, 1911 – March 22, 1981 (aged 70)His Grandfather; August 9, 1884 – September 6, 1945 (aged 61)So, according to his genetic makeup, the old guy is overdue to croak.

[szh]

Whoops, you missed something more important than his mom.

His father; January 17, 1911 – March 22, 1981 (aged 70)His Grandfather; August 9, 1884 – September 6, 1945 (aged 61)So, according to his genetic makeup, the old guy is overdue to croak.

Data accepted.

Regardless, it is would not be my reason to not vote him into office.

Z

[rn79870]

One that I can think of immediately: Iron-Lady Maggie Thatcher and the Falkland Islands.

Z

I'd have thought at least you would have come up with a real answer like Golda Meir and the Yom Kippur War, (unless you're crediting Moshe Dayan and Gen. David Elazar with the success there).

[WDRacing]

Men in their 40's drop dead, too. The VP of a company I worked for died unexpectedly at 47. Huh, isn't that Obama's age?

If you want to split hairs, Obama has a higher chance of dropping dead. He is not used to the stresses of true leadership. It may be too much for him!

Then we'd be stuck with Biden (Biden who?).

Ok, perhaps you just don't understand what I'm talking about.

1, I'm not prejudice against anything but stupid. Since it crosses all borders, I dislike a little bit of everyone...old, young, white or black etc. If you're stupid, I don't generally like you But that's it.

2, I fully understand that health issues can effect any and all age groups.

3, I gave a "what if" scenario based on what "I" feel are possible outcomes. Given the fact that McCain IS older and he in fact HAS had health issues and the fact that health issues ARE directly related to increased age makes my what if scenario a possibility.

So, in case you missed it again, if McCain dies, Palin is President. I don't like that idea. Doesn't make me prejudice because I think outside the box.

When someone doesn't like the VP selection, then they should weigh ALL possible options...death is the only true guarantee we all have. So it's an option that's ALWAYS on the table.

You might ask why I'm not talking about Biden and what if Obama dies...that's because that isn't the topic of this thread.

[S13_love]

I'm guessing you didn't read my post above where she has demonstrated an amazing talent to cut government waste and create a better tomorrow?

If you don't know the facts, please don't vote

That goes for you, too, Hash. She is more than just a vagina.

yeah but she isn't the one running for president now is she, mccain will probably have the final say in cutting gov. waste and all that anyways, but before they do anything they have to clean up the mess the bush administration has caused on all of us, thats why i was a little upset when hillary wasn't gonna be the nominee because it took a clinton to clean up after the first bush, maybe we needed another one to do the same?

[wingFeather]

she isn't the one running for president now is she

Then why worry it?

[HashiriyaS14]

If you want to split hairs, Obama has a higher chance of dropping dead. He is not used to the stresses of true leadership. It may be too much for him!

If you're going to comment, you may as well at least attempt to utilize facts.

Granted, if you look at the actuary tables, McCain can expect to live another 13.1 years, or until he's 85. Disturbingly though, his chances of expiring during his first term are an alarming 1 in 3.

[96Qowner]

Do you happen to know at what age the odds would be 1 in 4? How 'bout 1 in 5? Would that be significantly better?

Why would we want the inexperienced candidate to head the ticket, anyway? If Biden was at the head of the ticket, we could have a good time trying to estimate when each one would die and leave us with an inexperienced VP to move up into the Presidency. But not enough Democrats thought he'd be a good candidate, so they nominated the inexperienced Obama instead. Good thinking.

This is part of the genius of the Palin nomination. The cognitive dissonance just screams when Democrats try to point our her supposed weaknesses.

[WDRacing]

Speaking of old and near death...we're gonna have to start looking for your replacement pretty soon aye

[96Qowner]

LOL!

Gonna be *gasp* 56 next week. Free checks from the gubberment are only 10 years away! Hope I last that long.

[wingFeather]

I would rather have one GOOD McCain term, than the alternative... Obama.

[AZhitman]

it took a clinton to clean up after the first bush

Cutesy bumper sticker slogans are a poor substitute for solid logic.

Besides, GHWB is held in higher regard among political analysts than WJC, so even the bumper sticker is misleading at best.

Back on topic...

Here's a thought: Let's assume J-Mac meets his Maker while in office. How will Palin's obvious attributes (a first for the US) affect or impact her "standing" with other world leaders?

(I know this sounds ridiculous but follow me for a sec)

My job is fraught with conflict and confrontation... I argue with people and find fault for a living. People get reprimanded, people get exposed as liars / cheats / thieves, people lose their jobs...

I'm objective and professional, but I *still* have a tougher time calling someone out on an obvious lie when they're female, even more so when they're attractive... call it human nature, call it sexism, call it whatever makes you sleep better.

In a potential conflagration with, say, Russia... Will her gender and appearance as the "Face of the Nation" have an effect? If so, how?

[wingFeather]

it took a clinton to clean up after the first bush

What exactly needed "cleaning up"?

[HashiriyaS14]

Besides, GHWB is held in higher regard among political analysts than WJC, so even the bumper sticker is misleading at best.

Please find me a link to that, and it can't be overtly partisan, it needs to be a recognized body that "rates" ex-Presidents.

I have a VERY high opinion of GHWB, I actually think that he's 2 or 3 times the person that Reagan was, at least intellectually. He was one of our very finest foreign policy Presidents.

That said, Clinton is held in very high regard by historians, especially in the realm of domestic policy. He had a 73% approval rating AFTER his impeachment, and the highest approval rating EVER of any President leaving office (65%).

EDIT:

We're both right, depending on the poll. Rassmussen rated Bush slightly higher, and some other sources did the opposite, apparently.

[96Qowner]

She'd still be an amateur.

I caught Palin's return to Alaska last night - CNN was the only one covering it - and listened to her speech. Much new stuff, some old stuff from the acceptance speech.

Anyway, CNN had its commentators, which included David Gergen, whom I respect. He was obviously at a loss - kept remarking about how he never thought he'd be sitting in a studio, waiting to comment on a VP's return to her State of Alaska - somewhat disparaging but I got his point. He said she was amazing - the reaction to her was amazing - powerful, no matter whether you favor her or not. I got the distinct impression he didn't favor her.

I understood his point. It's all good and fun to choose a VP candidate for impact, but you really shouldn't gamble with it like the Republicans have. He's an old maven in politics - eminently qualified to speak on the subject. He trusts proven experience and capability.

Maybe Sarah could lead the country's foreign policy, but it's a gamble and I'm not embarrassed to say so. I don't see where she would have learned hardball geopolitics. Putin would eat her up and spit her out. Her only chance would be to rely on the excellent team that McCain will assemble.

I have a VERY high opinion of GHWB, I actually think that he's 2 or 3 times the person that Reagan was, at least intellectually. He was one of our very finest foreign policy Presidents.

I think he was the last truly qualified President we've had - loved the guy.

[AZhitman]

Sure thing Bossman -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...dents

You know I hate Wiki, but there's a whole list of different polls of POTUS Rankings listed therein. Obviously, they all vary, but you get the jist.

[szh]

I'd have thought at least you would have come up with a real answer like Golda Meir

Nope, you are right. I forgot about her!

Z

[smockers83]

Example of quality of work there...Quoting Factscheck...Obama said: “I will cut taxes ... for 95 percent of all working families.” And he said McCain proposes “not one penny of tax relief to more than 100 million Americans,”

Factcheck said...Obama is right about his plan's effect on working families. More broadly, though, the plan cuts taxes for 81.3 percent of all households in 2009, according to the Tax Policy Center. The TPC also says McCain’s tax plan would leave 65.8 million households without a cut, not 100 million.

I say, Here's the problem...Obama said 100 million Americans, and then the article says 65.8 million households. They changed the unit from "Americans" to "households." That is sloppy, sloppy, sloppy writing and fact-checking. I'll have to assume they have made more mistakes, as it only took me 2 minutes to fins that one.

Well to be honest, depending on what you're talking about, households may be a better unit or individuals may be a better unit. In this case, households would be a better unit than individuals. Why would you try to argue with an institution that changes the unit, an institution that does what it does for a living, and changes it to a better unit?

[ishkabibble]

She's got Energy, that's fer sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fRjtAK66as

[smockers83]

Since there are so many threads going on about Palin, I really have no idea where to put this article that I just read, so I'm just going to put it here.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...yview

[AZhitman]

Great counterpoint article about some of Palin's statements by Glenn Beck...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI....html

[smockers83]

^ Same thing I posted.

[szh]

Sorry, folks, I just have to do this! The last two are brilliant and had me on the floor laughing my head off ...







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