Diff between Drift and Powersilde

Post by **Kaioshin1982** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

Ok now from what I know powersliding is basically going in to turn and when ur in the process of a turn u gas it and ur back whips out (correct me if i'm wrong) drifting is to start sliding before going in to the turn and while in the turn your wheels are facing opposite direction? (I'm probably not expressing myself correctly but I'm sure you get what I mean) if so how do you start the drift? is it possible to do it on normal streets? and how fast do you have to be going in order to do this?

I know this is a very noobish question but I'm just trying to get into this drift thing and I dont wanna be like some people who swears that they can drift even tho they're just power sliding. Any help will be great. Thanx in advance. :help

Post by **Kaioshin1982** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

hmmmmm anyone..?

Post by **themadscientist** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I think you are splitting hairs, I'm sure the Initial D fanatics are going to start freaking out but it's pretty much the same thing.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I'll comment for the sake of conversation. Let me start by saying I am no drifter, here is my plan to learn. #1 Dont drift on the street, love my car too much to introduce it to a guardrail curb or tree. #2 Read, search the net, there are several pages detailing the different ways to start a slide (power over, feint etc) #3 Watch as$-loads of drifting videos, preferably ones that show the feet as well as the driver and road. Listen for where they apply power etc. #4 Practice heel-toe every day in daily driving. As well as learn where the torque & shift points are.#5 Take it to a big (wet/snowy) parking lot get a feel of where tires breakloose how the countersteer works etc#6 pay my recklass driving ticket like poor nighshift =) j/k

Post by **lok** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

Also, I would recommend reading Gran Turismo 2 manual for PS1. It is very insiteful when it comes to explaining drifting.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

TMS - Supprised to see you say that.

Anyone that is interested Search for "Cars - Nissan Silvia drifting.mpg" or "teamdrift.mpeg" on kazaa/kazaa lite/grokster Both of these files show that drifting is not powersliding. There are better movies out there, but both of these are small for you 56kers. I'll have KL running for much of the night, If you find me feel free to 'get more from user' tho there may be some *ahem* adult content.

Post by **themadscientist** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

powersliding always seemed more of an out of the corner thing while drift goes all the way through the corner but it's all just sliding so I consider it similar enough not to get nitpicky about terminology.

Post by **BB Turbo** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

Cyberkreig wrote:TMS - Supprised to see you say that.

Anyone that is interested Search for "Cars - Nissan Silvia drifting.mpg" or "teamdrift.mpeg" on kazaa/kazaa lite/grokster Both of these files show that drifting is not powersliding. There are better movies out there, but both of these are small for you 56kers. I'll have KL running for much of the night, If you find me feel free to 'get more from user' tho there may be some *ahem* adult content.

LMAO!:ylsuper

Post by **nametakennow** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

There was a whole thread about this a number of months ago. Drifting basically means you get all the way sideways, front-wheel-drive cars can't do it, and AWD cars have to have a ton of power for it. Powersliding is simply getting the tail whipped out a bit. Even more simply, losing grip and sliding some as you turn, but not getting completely sideways.

Post by **issanni** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I posted in a previous thread awhile ago what I think drifiting is...

"My definition of drifting is precise weight transfer to induce and maintain an oversteer situation with opposite lock and precise brake and throttle application through one or more curves."

From what I've seen there is alot of misconception of what drifting is. Now I don't claim to be a know-all drift guru, but what I do know for a fact is that drifting is NOT just about going sideways around a curve. The main principle behind drifting is weight transfer. You don't need alot of power to drift, if you can control the weight transfer precisely on a car with a tuned suspension, you can drift. Drifitng involves more technique than just downshift, cutting the wheel and going full throttle through a corner. The degree of oversteer is controlled and maintained with precise application of brakes and throttle to control the fore/aft weight transfer inheritly controlling the level of traction of the front and rear wheels. Look at the techniques WRC and other rally drivers use. Moreover, drifting mainly involves more than one curve, that is, sliding through one curve into another at speed, hence the term "drift". Although there are different styles of drifting, one which involves drifting on a straight.

Also, from people I've talked to who live and race in Japan, what you see in Initial D is NOT what really happens. You will rarely ever see racing like that in Japan. Sure there is racing and drifting in mountain passes, but it's not like what you see in Initial D. Drifiting is mainly done on the track (where it belongs) since Japan seems to have more open track days than this country. In the mountain pass they have a type of racing, I'm not sure what it's called, but it involves a cat and mouse type chase to see if the person in the rear can catch up to the leader by a certain point. Anyway, Initial D is a cool cartoon, but it's just that, a cartoon. Luckily there's a group here in New Jersey that's starting to hold open drift events at English town this year, sort of like what Club4AG does, but on the east coast. I suggest people go to these events and see what drifitng is really about and not believe an animated cartoon.

I've posted this before, but this video is a good demonstration of what drifting is really all about...

http://www.issanniracing.com/s...b.wmv

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

issanni - I remember reading that post. Definatly a good definition of drift. But I still like to think that Drift was born in the mountans. I already have that clip you linked, sucks it wont let you skip through it tho. Are some/all/any of those clips your work/editing?

Post by **issanni** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I'm sure drifting in general was truly born in the rally world, but drifting as we know it, if it was born on the mountain passes, it wasn't like what you see in Initial D.

The link for that Yokohama vid, that's not my work, but on my site, most of those vidoes are the work of my sales manager Chris...I made the IAS Tease vid and the blinddrift vid.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I've never seen Inital D. So whatever crazy head to head on comming traffic stuff was shown in the *cartoon* i wouldnt know about. You are likely right about rally racing, but that is mud and gravel. So I'll be over specific and say "dry pavement drifting came from the mountains" =)

ISA tease was good, hot girls decent cars. i have a big archive of drift movies (137files 484megs) Blind drift is one of my favorites, I love that intro transition!

Post by **issanni** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

hehe...thanks for the compliments on the vids

Post by **SilviaLuvr** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

(just my $0.2) why would ppl want to drift their cars anyway? It isn't a race nor is it good for racing. So why do it? Whats the big deal? Japanese hype like JDM style (not performance)???

Post by **Rockenreno** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

i would say 99% of people drift for show. Same reason people rice out their cars. Doesn't necessarily help, but to each his own.

Drifting also has practical applications. Its necessary to do a type of drift in rally, and can be used successfully on the race track if done correctly... And its fun to do in racing games... I must say Initial D is really fun!:D

Post by **issanni** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

Why do people skateboard? or snowboard? or bmx? Moreover, why do people watch the X-Games? I'd say it's for basically the same reason people drift and watch drifting.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

drift is a showcase of ones control over a car. It is most definatly for show, to show that you have control of the vehcile, even if something 'unexpected' like getting sideways happens. Drifting is also great fun, why do people smoke tires or do doughnuts, or street race (NOT SAFE)?

And it is most certainly good for racing. While drift is far slower than grip, should you be grip racing and going through a hard 180 and you begin to lose traction, What do you do? Let off the throttle and get passed? or countersteer and make your car doublewide?

Post by **issanni** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I keep going back to the WRC..hehe, but those guys "drift" through corners all the time, even on the rallies that take place on pavement, for them it's efficient, probably becuase they have awd and can make up for the loss of traction when they exit a corner, where as a rwd car doesn't have the luxury of awd traction after sliding through a hairpin.

Post by **PapaSmurf2k3** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

"whys a sunset good, why are boobs good?"- Joe dirti think this applies here

Post by **SilviaLuvr** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

but even in WRC it's not realy drifting b/c their cars aren't totaly side ways. when they turn into a corner isn't the car pointed in the direction it's going to be accelerating in? wouldn'd this be a slightly on the side of power slideing?

Post by **Kaioshin1982** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:16 pm

I always thought the drifing is having ur car sideways from the begining of the turn and powerslide is exiting the turn

Diff between Drift and Powersilde

Diff between Drift and Powersilde

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