Did I misunderstand this? What do you think?

[szh]

See column 3 at the following link - the owner/publisher of the "Atlanta Jewish Times" has some interesting proposals for Netanyahu!

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... dium=email

Here is the extract:

Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States' policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.

Yes, you read "three" correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel's existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don't you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel's most inner circles?

Another way of putting "three" in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives...Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?

You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.

If this had been a Muslim owner and publisher writing in a Muslim newspaper in the US, I wonder just what the reaction would be to it? I don't seem to see any major news coverage of this item yet ... unless I am missing something!

Z

[themadscientist]

I want to flip out at such obviously inflammatory words, but while I have read the whole editorial I'm still not sure what the purpose of it was. He needs to explain this piece a hell of a lot better than he did if he doesn't want push back.

*update*

Too late.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ate-obama/

Adler doesn’t put his own columns online, but Gawker uploaded a copy of it today. Adler told ABC News that he has been getting a flurry of calls – from readers, reporters and rabbis – and that he regrets ever writing it. His column next week, he said, will be an apology. The paper has between 3,000 and 4,000 subscribers.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... ion/47672/

The National Jewish Democratic Council issued a sweeping condemnation of Adler's column on Friday afternoon. "It is the height of irresponsibility to make the horrific suggestion that the State of Israel should assassinate the President of the United States of America," the organizations president and CEO David A. Harris said in a statement provided to The Atlantic Wire. "To dare to give such despicable ideas space in a newspaper -- no less in the words of the paper's owner and publisher, and a Jewish newspaper at that -- is beyond the pale. This episode demonstrates just how low our political discourse has sunk, and I can only hope that it serves as a wake-up call to moderate our public dialogue and tone it down dramatically."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/internation ... a-1.408429

The American Jewish Committee in Atlanta last night issued a harsh condemnation of Adler’s article, saying that his proposals are “shocking beyond belief.”

"While we acknowledge Mr. Adler's apology, we are flabbergasted that he could ever say such a thing in the first place. How could he even conceive of such a twisted idea?" said Dov Wilker, director of AJC Atlanta. "Mr. Adler surely owes immediate apologies to President Obama, as well as to the State of Israel and his readership, the Atlanta Jewish community."
Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, also blasted Adler on Friday, saying "There is absolutely no excuse, no justification, no rationalization for this kind of rhetoric. It doesn't even belong in fiction. These are irresponsible and extremist words. It is outrageous and beyond the pale. An apology cannot possibly repair the damage. Irresponsible rhetoric metastasizes into more dangerous rhetoric. The ideas expressed in Mr. Adler's column reflect some of the extremist rhetoric that unfortunately exists -- even in some segments of our community -- that maliciously labels President Obama as an 'enemy of the Jewish people.' Mr. Adler's lack of judgment as a publisher, editor and columnist raises serious questions as to whether he's fit to run a newspaper."

Ever have one of those pivotal moments in your life that make or break you and change its course irrevocably? The editor just had one. Buhbye

[IBCoupe]

If this had been a Muslim owner and publisher writing in a Muslim newspaper in the US, I wonder just what the reaction would be to it? I don't seem to see any major news coverage of this item yet ... unless I am missing something!

See, what you fail to realize is that, despite our many cultural similarities, Jews and Muslims operate at different points on the acceptability timeline. You folks are, for lack of a better word, today's Jews. I feel ya.

Whereas collective condemnation is enough to nip this in the bud, I think you're completely right that no amount of outcry from non-crazy Muslims at something similar coming from Muslim's Digest would be sufficient to assuage the butthurt elaborated by the American Media (and probably one media conglomerate in particular). In a century, we can probably try that again, and see if things have improved.

[szh]

In a century, we can probably try that again, and see if things have improved.

I hope you are right about the future. I just feel (and fear) that the schism is getting worse ... not better in recent times.

And, one other important difference: due to far lower numbers at the time, Jews were not able to defend themselves properly when attacked (during Nazi Germany era for example) ... this could be an entirely different situation given the numbers of Muslims in the world.

We need to figure out how to let sanity prevail - without allowing extremes to dominate.

Z

[IBCoupe]

I'm gonna continue to ridicule extremists on every side of every battle and see how that works, including all the crazy ultrazionist Georgian rabbis that might be out there.

[stebo0728]

I see a few differences though. For one, jews have been ridiculed and despised throughout much of their known history. Hitler wasn't the first to try and wipe them out, and probably wont be the last.

American muslim hatred, though wrong, has in some ways been provoked. No one really cared about the SS Cole, the hotel in well, wherever that was, but The Twin Towers, now that hit home. I dont mean to say that its right that all muslims somehow get the blame for that, but in a way, you do. Not in my mind, but in the collective American mind. Thats a blow that will take time to heal. Whats the antibiotic cream you ask? Continued outrage and condemnation of ANY and ALL of your extremists, even if arguably you dont owe anyone this outrage. When we see extremists of a group spout off, and then get a cold shoulder from that same groups moderates, it doesnt help. There are many other factors to this as well. For one, Americans are by and large PRO Israel, and as muslims are generally percieved as ANTI Israel, that also does not help the situation. Those perceptions are of course wrong alot of the time. Im sure most law abiding family raising american muslims could care less about Israel, but its your more radical counterparts that steal all your thunder. I certainly dont intend for any of this to be insulting, just observations I've made. We've had many discussions here as to whether or not moderates of a group owe anyone anything when that groups extremists act. Although I agree, in principle you shouldn't owe anyone anything, the fact is, other groups expect something from you, and when its not forthcoming, it doesnt bode well.

[Eikon]

That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.. Killing the Pres in order to get a more friendly Pres.. c'mon retard.. stick to the American way of doing things... just form a super-pac and buy the next election.

If he's looking to do the opposite of keeping America friendly toward Israel, then he's got a great plan. Assassinate the Pres and see how friendly we are afterwards. That's like walking up and punching me in the face and thinking that'll make me like you more.

What a moron!

[szh]

I see a few differences though. For one, jews have been ridiculed and despised throughout much of their known history. Hitler wasn't the first to try and wipe them out, and probably wont be the last.

American muslim hatred, though wrong, has in some ways been provoked. No one really cared about the SS Cole, the hotel in well, wherever that was, but The Twin Towers, now that hit home. I dont mean to say that its right that all muslims somehow get the blame for that, but in a way, you do. Not in my mind, but in the collective American mind. Thats a blow that will take time to heal. Whats the antibiotic cream you ask? Continued outrage and condemnation of ANY and ALL of your extremists, even if arguably you dont owe anyone this outrage. When we see extremists of a group spout off, and then get a cold shoulder from that same groups moderates, it doesnt help. There are many other factors to this as well. For one, Americans are by and large PRO Israel, and as muslims are generally percieved as ANTI Israel, that also does not help the situation. Those perceptions are of course wrong alot of the time. Im sure most law abiding family raising american muslims could care less about Israel, but its your more radical counterparts that steal all your thunder. I certainly dont intend for any of this to be insulting, just observations I've made. We've had many discussions here as to whether or not moderates of a group owe anyone anything when that groups extremists act. Although I agree, in principle you shouldn't owe anyone anything, the fact is, other groups expect something from you, and when its not forthcoming, it doesnt bode well.

Read and I understand your point.

However, like I have mentioned before (with links too ... see example below), the problem is that the condemnation given by Muslim groups (in the US and elsewhere) is rarely reported on well - particularly by mainstream news media. So, it gets forgotten quickly and only the damage remains in the minds and hearts of people.

Here, for example, is the Council of American-Islamic Relations ("CAIR"): http://www.cair.com/AboutUs/25FactsAboutCAIR.aspx ... see the following words (ever hear or see any mainstream media talk about this?):

OUR ANTI-TERRORISM MESSAGES

CAIR along with several American Muslim groups condemned the terrorlst attacks on 9-11 within hours of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center.

CAIR has consistently condemned terrorism. CAIR took out a paid advertisement in the Washington Post condemning 9-11 and terrorism in all its forms. CAIR produced TV/Radio Public Service Announcements in English, Arabic, and Urdu that stated in part that we reject anyone who commits acts of violence against innocent people in the name of Islam. CAIR’s “Not in the Name of Islam” online petition has been signed by almost 700,000 people.

CAIR coordinated the release of a fatwa (religious pronouncement) that stated in part, “Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not martyrs.”

More info here: http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx

And here: http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Septe ... ements.pdf The following is the introduction from this last one:

One of the most frequent criticisms leveled against Muslims is whether they have done enough to condemn terrorism.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

This popular philosophical adage is representative of how the American Muslim community feels about their consistent, persistent and unequivocal condemnation of terrorism. Our voices of reason are drowned out by the rampant Islamophobia that exists today among certain groups.

This 68 page document is just a small sampling of all the condemnations by Muslims around the world and especially from CAIR and other American Muslim oganizations and scholars.

And here: http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Conde ... mbings.pdf ... in this one, there are many International organizations and people who are quoted (but never get mentioned in US media!) after the bombings in London. Including Presidents (of Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan for example), Saudi royal family, the King of Jordan, various Prime Ministers and politicians and clergy (including the Grand Imam of one of the most prestigious mosques: Al-Azhar in Egypt), etc., etc., etc.

Ever hear of, or remember, any of these condemnations?

Z

[szh]

I am drifting into a religion debate, so I will stop commenting on that.

So, let's get back to the original point: it is unacceptable for anyone to recommend that the secret service of any foreign country should assassinate the President of US to get favorable political outcomes and treatment by the US.

Simply. Not. Acceptable. Period.

Z

[IBCoupe]

Agreed with your second point, Z, but I don't think you were heading into a religious debate. Seemed more like it was still politics to me.

[szh]

Agreed with your second point, Z, but I don't think you were heading into a religious debate. Seemed more like it was still politics to me.

I think so too, but wanted to be clear about it!

Z