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Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:21 pm
I have decided to leave my life of lurking behind to petition the collective wisdom of this forum.
I have been having engine trouble with my 91 Infiniti M30 convertible, and due to its rarity, it is difficult for me to find any ideas for troubleshooting.
Here’s the quick version:
100,000 miles, relative regular maintenance. Timing belt replace at 65,000 miles.
The engine does the “silent stall” at low RPM like when coming to a stop and stutters intermittently at any speed
Stalls and skips/stutters seem to be cylinder specific, although I am not sure which one
The smell of un-burnt fuel accompanies the stuttering
Other possibly related symptoms:
Tach and temperature gauge don’t work
What I’ve tried and replaced:
Dealership tuned throttle
Refurbed MAF (car wouldn’t even starts put old one back in)
Aftermarket distributor (rejected by car)
New distributor and rotor (seemed to help a lot)
Seafoam fuel injector gas treatment (used to help a lot, but now is ineffective)
Rebuilt alternator
New spark plugs
New wires
New battery
Rebuilt alternator #2 (1st rebuilt failed)
I need ideas on what to fix next and how to cost effectively troubleshoot possible culprits.
Any M30/VG30E gurus out there?
Here is the long and detailed story of my M30:
History:
I purchased this vehicle a little over a year ago with 95,000 miles on it. Everything worked well, other than a broken trunk release switch and the tach would intermittently flat line or peg for no apparent reason. I have the majority of the service records, most notably my favorite Infiniti dealership replacing the timing belt at around 62,000 miles. I drove the car as a toy on sunny days until my lease ended then I put about 5000 problem free miles on it over the course of the summer and early fall with a few long road trips and daily driving. I took it to the local Infiniti dealership for all its routine maintenance, mainly oil changes at this point. I also replaced the trunk switch release, only to find out the actuator wasn’t responding, but that’s another problem for another day.
Problems start:
Fast forward to fall and some cooler rainy weather after just crossing the 100,000 milestone. Driving home one night the car stutters when starting from a stop at a light, almost feeling like it was trying to start from 2nd gear (car is an automatic for those who don’t already know). Only does this once or twice in the 10 mile drive, and drive fine for a few days. That weekend I started the car, and while I was putting the top down for a sunny Sunday drive home, the car sputtered, dropping in RPM for a few seconds, then returning to normal, which repeated a few cycles, then died. It started right up without an issue and drove home, stuttering a bit at stops, but stayed running. I took it to the Infiniti dealership the next day and they set me up in a loaner. They could only get it to die on them once, but couldn’t find a cause. They checked for codes (nothing) and the master 20 years of Nissan service mechanic said he dialed the throttle and such back into factory specs. They handed me the keys back in exchange for a wad of cash and I was off again. Later that week all the symptoms returned.
The past symptoms:
At low speeds, usually when decelerating the engine does the silent stall, which would be hard to notice if it wasn’t for the abundant idiot lights coming on. While running it would stutter and if not given extra gas would stall, it would stall at traffic lights and in general became hard to drive in any kind of traffic. It almost seems like its switching off when it shuts down, and whenever it sputters it smells of unburnt gas. Still no check engine light or codes, and still intermittently enough to not be predictable. At this point I am of the opinion that the dealership doesn’t know the M30 very well, and being fall and rainy, I park it for the winter and buy a 1997 I30 to drive. While it was parked for the winter I swapped out the distributor cap and rotor, which were as old as the car and ran some Seafoam injector cleaner through it. At this point the car could idle for hours without the slightest problem. I also realized just how corroded and rusty some parts are under the hood.
Spring 2015:
Car still occasionally stutters and stalls, but not unmanageably for a trip to the grocery store or to church on Sunday. Being suspicious that other parts of the car are as old as the distributor, I decided to do an electrical system tune up. I replaced the decrepit spark plugs with the manufacture recommended double platinum. I put in a new set of Ngk wires, new battery which wasn’t holding a full charge and led to me replacing the alternator (AC Delco rebuilt), which failed the bench test, specifically with the voltage regulator. I also disconnected and cleaned all the grounds I could easily find. At this point the temperature gauge next to the tach flat lined and doesn’t respond.
Summer 2015:
I continue to run Seafoam with every tank of gas as that seemed to reduce the frequency of stalls. The new alternator failed both regulator and bearing, leaving me stranded for the first time with a dead battery in the middle of the freeway. I put in another one under warranty. I took the car out for a sunny drive for a few weeks ago, because usually at freeway speeds the engine used to run fine. This time even at 70 mph the engine would stutter and felt like it was missing on a cylinder or two. By the time I got home I was two-footing the pedals to keep the engine running when I stopped at lights, or it would stall and keep stalling right after restarting.
This brings us to today. Sorry for the book, but usually when I read these forums people sometimes don’t give enough details.
I need ideas on where to go next-- and ways to cost effectively troubleshoot. I am suspicious that at least two fuel injectors are failing, but I read somewhere that if the transistor ignition unit can cause similar symptoms.
For those out there having similar issues, when I do finally fix this, I will be sure to post my conclusion.