Datsun 510 Rb26dett or 1jz???

Post by **white_ashes** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:18 pm

So i have a problem with deciding which motor i should go with.... i really like the idea of keeping a nissan with a nissan but the godliness of the 1jz motor and potential is crazy and have been proven for 600+ hp on stock internals..... but with the rb26dett i get to stick with nissan parts and could potentially be easier to work on then 1jz.... sr20 is basically the same price and i would rather have a better motor for the same price... im kinda stuck and would love to hear some opinions from you guys and hope that i dont get someone who is in a bad mood lol please people n e-thugging!!! Oh and btw the 1jz would be $1900 and the rb26dett would be around $2300-2500 not to big a price difference to worry about....

Post by **heartofaskyline** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:25 pm

wrong section

Post by **j-z** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:25 pm

ummmm..... how about you tell us what youre dreams of building this 510 are for??? street car with alot of power??? a track car? drift? what man???

if youre building it just for power i would say its a toss up between the rb and 1j.... the rb is newer, and the 1j has the exhaust on the pass side = no bmc bull shlt.....

if youre building a road race/time attack/auto-x car, i would go with a f22c out of an s2000.

drift.... id probably go ka-t.

im gonna dream that obama isnt our president tonight.....

Post by **white_ashes** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:43 pm

j-z wrote:ummmm..... how about you tell us what youre dreams of building this 510 are for??? street car with alot of power??? a track car? drift? what man???

if youre building it just for power i would say its a toss up between the rb and 1j.... the rb is newer, and the 1j has the exhaust on the pass side = no bmc bull shlt.....

if youre building a road race/time attack/auto-x car, i would go with a f22c out of an s2000.

drift.... id probably go ka-t.

im gonna dream that obama isnt our president tonight.....

mainly it would be street car and sometimes be for track but i want to not worry about stressing out the motor and i would be happy with 400-500hp and i think that the rb26dett or the 1jz can perform there easily and still take a beating and give me one too lol... also if i decide to go big i already have the motor there and dont need to swap motors again...

mainly for me i think that this would be an awesome swap no matter what motor i end up with cause i have never seen a 1jz or a rb26dett in a datsun 510 so woot woot!!! anyhow thanks guys for all the feedback and im going to jump on this build asap i just gotta strip down the 510 first and get rid of the truck motor thats already in there.... lol

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:04 am

this is a stupid question (sorry)

first off you have unrealistic expectations, and obviously didnt do any research; so i doubt you have the experience, fab skills or money (well that maybe) to pull it off.

first off

your not going to find an RB26 for 2500- they run close to 4k

second, theres absolutely no point for a 600hp datsun 510

while they happen to be one of my favorite cars, all your going to accomplish is tearing the poor thing in two in the first launch. The chassis and the rear end (which you could change) will not support that much power unless you do some serious stiffening, and honestly its not worth it.

theres alot of guys who do Sr20det swaps who are scared outta there mind because the numbers they made with such a light chassis.

my vote: build N/A SR w carbs

old school ftmw
Modified by hbpignosePA at 9:53 AM 4/19/2009

Post by **gregfarz78** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:41 am

yeah rb26dett you better increase your budget to 6-8k. I love 510s if I ever got one I'd keep it n/a either a vq35 or a lsx swap

Post by **kscherbaum** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:03 am

Why add the extra weight of an RB ? I would think that the SR20 would be ideal, lots of parts available, makes great power, much lighter than an RB, wont require much fab work, etc... Put a narrowed S14 rear end under it. I am in the process of a build for Clark Steppler at JWT on a 510 but were going with a KA with the monster cylinder head and turbo... I already narrowed an S14 rear end that fits under the car...

-Kurt

Post by **cody180sx** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:27 am

people have done rb 510 all the time. rb25 for sure should be that much harder to get a rb26 in there

Post by **Lev_96_240sx** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:38 am

Yea for a car that weighs as little as the 510, you're going to kill yourself with that much power. With a heavier engine like an RB or a 1JZ you're adding unecessary weight to the front end of the car. If you're looking to save money on this project, forget about those engines and look for a KA or an NA SR, anything else and you will need to replace or strengthen the entire bottom part of the car, including the frame and subframes. Just my 2 cents. 510 is a nice car, wouldn't want to see it wrapped around a tree.

Post by **S13Teddy** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:54 am

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Post by **deuce4Oh** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:20 am

S13Teddy wrote:
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L20B FTW. an awesome enginefor an even sicker chassis.

Post by **j-z** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:06 am

yeah youre def not going to be able to fit a straight 6 in there without ALOT of modification.... same goes for a V motor.... i say go with the f22c and do a full out all motor build... ITBS, cams, higher compression, springs, rods, the whole nine..... thats what i would do atleast....

and oh... i didnt dream about obama not being president last night... i had a dream to where i was with two chicks in a conversion van going on a 3 hr trip to stay at a hotel and i didnt have any money LMAO <-----truth

Post by **white_ashes** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:23 pm

j-z wrote:yeah youre def not going to be able to fit a straight 6 in there without ALOT of modification.... same goes for a V motor.... i say go with the f22c and do a full out all motor build... ITBS, cams, higher compression, springs, rods, the whole nine..... thats what i would do atleast....

and oh... i didnt dream about obama not being president last night... i had a dream to where i was with two chicks in a conversion van going on a 3 hr trip to stay at a hotel and i didnt have any money LMAO <-----truth

ive already measured the engine bay and measured a rb26 and it seems to fit along with an extra 2 inches in the front and 1 3/4 in the back and that would be with the radiator so i know it will fit and the weight difference is not THAT much at all and ive seen a datsun 510 with 500+ hp and no modification to the frame so i dont think it will be a problem... im going to try it and if it doesnt work out i can always buy an r32 shell and drop it in! LOL anyhow im not really worried about the money situation i should be fine and i will probably run into problems and delays but in general i think it will be a fun swap! Thanks guys for all your flaming and input and ive decided to go with a rb26 and yes i can get it for $2300 thanks NICO!!!

Post by **Lev_96_240sx** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:57 pm

you're an idiot... why do you ask for advice and then disregard it when people tell you their honest opinion about what you propose?

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:17 pm

umm ill believe it when i see pictures

and im done arguing with you, cuz its not likely you will ever update this to prove it like so many "OMG guys what kinda motor shoud i put in my whip to be straight gansta threads"

Post by **evildky** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:34 pm

the RM and 1JZ can be shoehorned in but are heavy and make things like radiator and intercoler clearance issues a hugr issue to work around, the SR weighs a couple hundred lbs less and will be a much better fit and preserve the weight bias of the car, mayeb even a CA swap, or the L20B with dual DCOE's

Post by **Papi Chulo** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:03 pm

510six has an L28et in is car. He modified his firewall.If you don't you will do stoppies when you slam on the brakes. True story.

Post by **mbsilvia** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:14 pm

Hey white_ashes, don't listen to these yahoos, just jealous;)j/k. An rb26dett can and does fit in a 510, takes some fab work and a shoehorn, but that obviously goes without saying and I'd like to see another guy with one! I'm finishing this car a dear friend started, check it out! http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=1468
Modified by mbsilvia at 6:18 AM 4/21/2009

Post by **Kalypso** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:30 pm

TWIN TURBO LS1

Post by **Mr1der** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:40 am

evildky wrote:the RM and 1JZ can be shoehorned in but are heavy and make things like radiator and intercoler clearance issues a hugr issue to work around, the SR weighs a couple hundred lbs less and will be a much better fit and preserve the weight bias of the car, mayeb even a CA swap, or the L20B with dual DCOE's

echoing this.

Post by **z210** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:51 pm

i would vote neither, these two engines require a lot of fab work. also, by the nature of how you are asking these questions, i can tell you do not have a lot of the fab skills necessary for this job. however, if you are a rich kid and you are planning to have a reputable shop do this swap then i still say don't do it because these engines have already been swapped into a 510. been there done that. if you want to stand out in your 510, why don't you swap in a four wheel drive subaru engine and drivetrain.

Post by **Kalypso** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:07 pm

my first post was dumb... for me

put a modest and lightweight motor in it...

sr20

Post by **evildky** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:30 pm

or just buy one already builthttp://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=148796

Post by **HowlerMonkey** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?g...0Czdc

Post by **SxMachine** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:05 pm

cody180sx wrote:people have done rb 510 all the time. rb25 for sure should be that much harder to get a rb26 in there

Show me these people

Post by **HowlerMonkey** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:12 pm

This FJ20 makes 630hp.

If you're going toyota, why not use an engine that fits like a 3sGTE since they can be made to handle 700hp or more.

This 3sgte put down 777hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2hVXchxCk

Modified by HowlerMonkey at 9:19 PM 8/5/2009

Post by **datsunscom** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:15 pm

This stock VG30DETT made 335whp on pump gas and will soon be at 470+ (on pump gas) with a mild turbo upgrade. In a 2500lb car the enigne and trans aren't being stressed at all. It makes a nice daily driver + occasional track / auto-x / dragstrip toy.

One thing often overlooked is how beefy a clutch you need with 500-700hp. At 450-500hp you can use a clutch that feels and engages much like a stock one. Really, check out a clutch that can handle over 500ft-lbs and it will likely be a b**** to use in a daily driver.

Post by **Kalypso** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:17 pm

why hasnt this thread been locked and burned forever

Post by **67 411** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:53 am

hey i wa

datsunscom wrote:This stock VG30DETT made 335whp on pump gas and will soon be at 470+ (on pump gas) with a mild turbo upgrade. In a 2500lb car the enigne and trans aren't being stressed at all. It makes a nice daily driver + occasional track / auto-x / dragstrip toy.

One thing often overlooked is how beefy a clutch you need with 500-700hp. At 450-500hp you can use a clutch that feels and engages much like a stock one. Really, check out a clutch that can handle over 500ft-lbs and it will likely be a b**** to use in a daily driver.

s wondering if this car is yours?

Post by **b110prodigy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:37 am

hold up...my question is what kind of tranny are they running in a rb swap?back seat driving will take a new deffinition with this.not to say what kind of death trap it would be to have that kind of power in the 510.

ca18, big fkin turbo.trust me no r34 will get anywhere near your rear bumper.(tops 2600 pounds not including driver.)
Modified by b110prodigy at 11:43 PM 11/23/2009

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