custom mounts from mckinney

[s14mc]

custom mounts from mckinney for a s14.

they told me:

#1. their custom mounts will clear the stock rb25det intake manifold

#2. the o2 housing will NOT rub with the steering shaft without any modifications (ie shaving) to the o2 housing

#3. the shifter will be in the stock position unlike using the r33 crossmember

#4. the engine will sit lower (if #1 is ture this should be true too, right?) and further back, thus giving a better geometery and weight distrubition.

my first questions is, are the above info true? if so it's reasonable to get their mounts.

secondly, if using the stock r33 crossmember (not using their mounts at all) , can #1-#3 be achieved? as for #4, will the handling/weight distrubition become worse?

please tell me which mounting option to go with.

lastly, is it possible make the A/C to work after the swap for my s14? mckinney told me they can do it on a s13 but not s14. i wonder why. has anyone done that? also will there be much troubles if i want to keep the ABS?

ThanksJeff

*****what i've searched and learnt:

if using r33 crossmember:-hood has to be modified to clear the stock intake manifold-o2 housing has to be shaved to clear the steering shaft-shifter will be a little bit forward compared to the stock position-not 100% sure about the sway bar issue for a rb25 in a s14

so please don't tell me to search. thanks again.

[roundrocktom]

Jeff...

Simple. Buy the mounts, bolt them in. DOCUMENT THE INSTALLATION and if NOT TRUE I would expect Mack would take the mounts back and give you a full refund for them.

On the AC... does anyone have a PDF manual for the S14?

On the KA24E... simple hook up.On the KA24DE... S13, not bad... on the KA24DE S14... haven't looked, no idea.

Remember the ECU is involved for a couple of reasons. Idle control (bump up the rpm as the Compressor kicks on), WOT (wide open throttle, turn off the compressor for 4 seconds for passing performance), Over heating (engine running too hot... turn off the compressor), FICD soleniod. Add in the fan control, and a few other routines... looks messy, but anything is possible. I remember seeing a post about "five wire vs 8 wire" systems on S14's... can not locate the post (someone suggested running both the S14 eccs & new engine controller????)

Tom

[FAST-DATSUN]

Nissan chose the change the way the computer controled a/c system was designed on the S14. It unlike any of the other systems. it can be made to work by (1) by tricking the system not fully fuctional (no pressure/temp cycling/ fan control or (2) keeping the S14 US computer to work just the a/c system.

The ABS can be kept if wanted, but ?????

Mack at Mckinney Motorsports

P.S. s14mc we are sure it will fit. several shops are now using our kits for the s-13 and s14. However you can send it back if it doesen't, but it will...... off line for more info

[roundrocktom]

Nissan chose the change the way the computer controled a/c system was designed on the S14. It unlike any of the other systems. it can be made to work by (1) by tricking the system not fully fuctional (no pressure/temp cycling/ fan control or (2) keeping the S14 US computer to work just the a/c systemMack at Mckinney Motorsports

Interesting.... other thought is to use a small microcontroller to "mimic" the functions of the eccs system with regard to the A/C. Hmm, wonder if there is any market for a $200 controller to handle full a/c functions (realistical, maybe 20 a year... ???). Building a small embedded controller is simple, but documenting it and supporting it is the pain.

As to ABS.... wouldn't touch it (i.e. seperate controller, etc). Too much liability.

Tom

[s14mc]

is the abs controlled by the ecu? or it's a isolated system?thanks

[FAST-DATSUN]

Its own computer but get signal from the engine ecu for tack and speed...

mack@ MckinneyMotorsports

S14mc see post by hashiriya13 we just finished his car 2 weeks ago and used the kit. See his post on other threads here.

[SNEEK-E HONDA LEGEND]

Interesting.... other thought is to use a small microcontroller to "mimic" the functions of the eccs system with regard to the A/C.

I just realized there is a good solution to your S14 AC problem. You may not like it because it will put a Honda part in your car, but......In the 86-89 Honda Accord with carbueration (sp, i hate carbs) Honda used a seperate AC control module. I know this module very well because I had to troubleshoot my old Accord AC. It is a small plastic box with a 14 or so pin connector on it. On that connector you will find +12V, GND, sig from overpressure, sig from underpressure, tach sig (oops, 4 banger...but may work anyway) sig from evaporator mounted temp switch, on/off sig from dash mounted AC switch, output to AC relay, output to IACV, and maybe I forgot one or two. The point is, this is a stand alone AC system controller, because the carb Accord used a emissions controller and not a ECU, and the Accord was usually sold without AC back in those days, Honda used a stand alone controller. It will cover all the basics of AC system function. It will provide overpressure, underpressure, high RPM cutout and 33F switching for the evaporator. It will even control a IACV. The AC clutch and IACV should be controlled thru a seperate relay, however.This is what I would do if I had a S14.Good Luck

[FAST-DATSUN]

If you look at the car that is from AZ. They used the stock crossmember and it looks way forward.........



Then one from ours.............



Yes there is a difference. But it does not hit. From what I have heard. I don't like how close it is.................

Maybe different year RB's crossmembers place the motor different???? Another reason why we use the custom mounts.

It really comes down to you. WHat do you want?????

Grumpy

P.S. Hey Night, is there a way you can take a picture with the shift boot off??? Just so that all of the pictures would be the same.

[s14mc]

mack, if using your mounts i dont need any crossmember right?

[FAST-DATSUN]

You use the stock KA crossmember and the engine adapter and mounts bolt to it...

Mack@ Mckinney Motorsports

[bruinbear714]

What is included in this "kit"?

Motor mounts, transmission bellhousing, and driveshaft?

I may consider getting one in the future for an rb swap into a project s13 car, and was wondering if I got the complete motorset and the kit, all major components would be accounted for.

[FAST-DATSUN]

Level 1 is engine adapters and engine mounts with Transmission crossmember and mount and all attaching hardware.

Level 2 is above with a custom drive shaft.

Level 3 is all the above with the wiring service( we take your 2 harness and blend into one and remove all wires not needed) to make it plug and play..

We can also supply all stock and aftermarket parts for the RB's

Mack @ Mckinney Motorsports

[roundrocktom]

We can also supply all stock and aftermarket parts for the RB's

Mack @ Mckinney Motorsports

Cool... could you quote me on a RB20DET water pump & timing belt for the same. Add 2nd day delivery... let me know the prices.

Thanks,

Tom

[FAST-DATSUN]

Please contack us off line at [email protected] or better call 619-449-4748

[chachi longshot]

Please contack us off line at [email protected]

Nice spelling. Also funny that you ask to be contacted offline with an email address .

[FAST-DATSUN]

Sorry !!! I try to limit business on the boards to info and not actual sales.. You knew what I ment.

[chachi longshot]

I know. I just thought it was funny to contact you offline by email.

[r33pwrd]

I have used all of macs (mckinney motorsports) Stuff IE: mounts, driveline and wiring harness, motor fits perfect and runs awesome!!! would recomend his stuff best I have seen yet!

[hashiriya13]

I have used all of macs (mckinney motorsports) Stuff IE: mounts, driveline and wiring harness, motor fits perfect and runs awesome!!! would recomend his stuff best I have seen yet!

Yep, I second that. Just think you get all that and great customer service to.

[s14mc]

can i use this to slove the A/C problem?

jdm s14 a/c control

or...what about using the one that came from the rb25det clip? does these options make the wiring easier?

Thanks guys...

[dcdrifter]

The a/c problem is a wiring issue. Using a digital climate control will not solve anything. Besides, you need more than just the digital a/c to get that thing to work with a stock engine.

[hashiriya13]

sorry s14 I cant help you with the a/c. i chose not to go with the a/c now.

[FAST-DATSUN]

There are two option right now.. cycle the a/c your self electricaly and use RB pump or piggyback stock computer with Rb pump ...

OBY A customer hased use our RB25 kit with the RB25 alum engine adapters to put in a RB26DETT into a 240SX keeping the TT and only had to move a couple line and the steering Cleared the turbos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mack @ Mckinney MotorSports

[Dano]

OBY A customer hased use our RB25 kit with the RB25 alum engine adapters to put in a RB26DETT into a 240SX keeping the TT and only had to move a couple line and the steering Cleared the turbos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mack @ Mckinney MotorSports

WOW!

-Dan