CPO vs Used: Rogue purchase for daughter

[fairfaxgator]

Hello ALL!

Just joined the site. Very good info!

We are looking to purchase a compact AWD SUV for my daughter (age 16). A car that she will have for the next 6-8 years through high school, college, and grad school. On the list are the Rogue, RAV4, CRV, CX-5, Sportage, and Tucson.

We are looking for safety, reliability, function, and value. Looks like the later model years of some of the SUVs mentioned above have the safety features such as BSM/rear view camera, navigation, etc.

But with the Rogue, a lot of these features were introduced in 2014...and nicely packaged in the Premium Package even for the SV trim level. Looking to spend around $20 or less. RAV4 and CRV seem to be higher priced with these features.

Some questions I have:

- Better to purchase CPO or Used? With Used, those cars are more available at non-Nissan dealerships.
- Can the navigation/maps be updated with the 2014 and 2015 models of the Rogue? I've heard/read otherwise....another Nissan Rogue board.
- What are your thoughts on purchasing a car from CarMax?

Finally, I have owned one Nissan before...a 1997 Altima...bought used (20k miles) in late 1998...crapped out on me with only 60k miles in 2002. Nothing, but problems which Nissan could not fix. Hope the Rogue owners have had better experiences.

Thanks.

Fairfaxgator

[kboo74]

The maps for the 2014-15 Rogue can't be updated and they are not supported anymore. When I had my 15 Rogue SL AWD Premium Pkg I loved it. The ride was comfy and I had no issues with the vehicle. My only reason for trading was I wanted Apple's Car Play and a newer vehicle so I got a 2017.5 Murano. As for buying from CarMax I never have and haven't heard of any complaints for anyone who has. I would poke around the topics on the Rogue forum and read some of the discussions before making a decision. This forum is really active and offers a lot of different opinions and help.

Ken

[prj]

If it were me, I wouldn't be spending that much money on a car for a 16 year old driver with little to no driving experience. You may find out how quickly they can wreck a new ride.

I would be spending $5k or less and look at some older model Toyota, Honda and Nissan cars. Both of my kids were supplied with some Honda cars. One got a Civic (180,000 miles) and the other got an Accord (170,000 miles)

My daughter drove the Civic from ages 16 to 22 and had zero issues with the car. Had 240,000 on it when she got rid of it.

My son totalled the Honda Accord after driving it for 9 months.

Just something to think about...

[fairfaxgator]

The maps for the 2014-15 Rogue can't be updated and they are not supported anymore. When I had my 15 Rogue SL AWD Premium Pkg I loved it. The ride was comfy and I had no issues with the vehicle. My only reason for trading was I wanted Apple's Car Play and a newer vehicle so I got a 2017.5 Murano. As for buying from CarMax I never have and haven't heard of any complaints for anyone who has. I would poke around the topics on the Rogue forum and read some of the discussions before making a decision. This forum is really active and offers a lot of different opinions and help.

Ken

Thanks for the reply. Too bad the maps cannot be updated. Even our KIA's have this ability.

Assume that Google maps can play on the screen when the phone is plugged in to the USB?

[fairfaxgator]

If it were me, I wouldn't be spending that much money on a car for a 16 year old driver with little to no driving experience. You may find out how quickly they can wreck a new ride.

I would be spending $5k or less and look at some older model Toyota, Honda and Nissan cars. Both of my kids were supplied with some Honda cars. One got a Civic (180,000 miles) and the other got an Accord (170,000 miles)

My daughter drove the Civic from ages 16 to 22 and had zero issues with the car. Had 240,000 on it when she got rid of it.

My son totalled the Honda Accord after driving it for 9 months.

Just something to think about...

Yes, that thought went through our minds as both my wife and I were provided much older used cars to drive around as we grew up...we even bought used cars as our own up until 5-6 years ago, before going with new. We've owned used Toyotas, Hondas, Nissan, and even a few American brands (Jeep).

These days I want the safety and the tech. I realize this means newer used cars. The potential of issues with much older vehicles including the lack of safety and tech is what is driving our decision. I have been looking for CPO and used Rogues (2015) with higher mileage (40-50k around $15k) and have found only a few in the DC area.

Thanks.

[prj]

Not sure what safety features you are looking for. I crashed my 2003 Camry (thus the reason I got a new Rogue). The car looked horrible, both air bags went off...I came out without a scratch or bruise.

[kboo74]

As for being able to show the phone screen on a 2014-2015 Rogue you can’t. You would need a 2016 or later which has CarPlay from Apple. You will be restricted to using the phone itself. If you feel your 16 year old is mature and responsible enough the get her/him what you want.

[fairfaxgator]

As for being able to show the phone screen on a 2014-2015 Rogue you can’t. You would need a 2016 or later which has CarPlay from Apple. You will be restricted to using the phone itself. If you feel your 16 year old is mature and responsible enough the get her/him what you want.

Ok...thanks...exactly what I need to know. So did not realize Apple CarPlay was introduced to the 2016s.

[fairfaxgator]

Not sure what safety features you are looking for. I crashed my 2003 Camry (thus the reason I got a new Rogue). The car looked horrible, both air bags went off...I came out without a scratch or bruise.

Safety tech features such as BSM, rear cross traffic...would be the most important.

[MustangDriver]

Get a used Subaru with the Eyesight option. that option will address most if not all your safety tech needs.

[datechboss101]

I, myself, am turning 18 soon and I literally rejected taking the Rogue for multiple reasons, and took the family's 1999 Honda Accord LX. But, I have to drive the Rogue for a week because some stupid salesperson hit my Accord with a new car today and the dealer gave my dad a new loaner, in which I can't drive it.

I'd recommend you avoid this car for the following reasons: The navi is equivalent to that of the behavior and attitude of the 45th president of the United States (Long story short, the navi is a POS). If you go used, the CVT will go out and leave your teenage daughter stranded in the middle of rush hour on the local interstate. The car is extremely loud when compared to Honda.

I'd recommend you get this car for following reasons: Superb MPGs! Amazing cargo area (it is the same size as a 3rd gen Acura MDX). 360 around-view camera.

Things I am neutral on: Safety features (I don't have the fully loaded SL with Premium package).

Other vehicles or brands I recommend: Honda, Acura, Mazda, Kia, Hyundai, Chevrolet.

[Rogue Jarhead]

Having 4 daughters I would NOT buy them a car, any car.They need to buy their own. Each of mine did. For the following reasons.

They have no idea of what it costs you. Somethings wrong.. Ohh daddy will take car of that, I’ll just take it to the random most expensive dealer I can find and call and get dads credit card number. I need gas, dads gas card...yeah.

Their college durg or alcohol addled friends ask to borrow her car and hurt or kill someone. Wonder if daddy will be on the hook for that one? Because I’ll bet she won’t have her own separate insurance policy.

If you have to buy your kid a car don’t worry about all the camera surround crap. Get her a reasonably priced car mid 00’s with a stick transmission. Teach her to DRIVE it not just how to hold the steering wheel while texting. None of her friends will ask to borrow it because most kids don’t even know what a manual transmission is. Put her on her own insurance policy and let her figure things out for herself.

My two cents worth what about that much.

[datechboss101]

Having 4 daughters I would NOT buy them a car, any car.They need to buy their own. Each of mine did. For the following reasons.

They have no idea of what it costs you. Somethings wrong.. Ohh daddy will take car of that, I’ll just take it to the random most expensive dealer I can find and call and get dads credit card number. I need gas, dads gas card...yeah.

Their college durg or alcohol addled friends ask to borrow her car and hurt or kill someone. Wonder if daddy will be on the hook for that one? Because I’ll bet she won’t have her own separate insurance policy.

If you have to buy your kid a car don’t worry about all the camera surround crap. Get her a reasonably priced car mid 00’s with a stick transmission. Teach her to DRIVE it not just how to hold the steering wheel while texting. None of her friends will ask to borrow it because most kids don’t even know what a manual transmission is. Put her on her own insurance policy and let her figure things out for herself.

My two cents worth what about that much.

I do agree with every single point you made. I am currently saving my money so that I can buy my first brand new car (without my dad's help). Plus, distracted driving is not acceptable for anyone. I actually had a friend of mine who just turned 18 bought his first brand new car. His previous car was his mothers, but he saved up and worked hard and bought himself a civic Hatch.

My next car is going to be a manual transmission (but its gonna be a nightmare during rush hour) as its the new and latest car theft proof system

OP: Tell your girl that she needs to wait for two more years, and that you or her mother (presumably your wife) will drive her to places till then, that way the insurance premiums will drop down a bit.

[prj]

Agreed with above. Not sure why any parent would be buying their 16 year old a kid a newer car.

[fairfaxgator]

Thank you all for the valuable input.

A couple of things:

- Hell I can't even drive a stick...so that type of car is out.
- With older model cars with high miles is their reliability. Last thing I need is to have my daughter stuck somewhere (even when she goes off to college). And definitely older Nissans i would stay away from (my experience).
- I am not getting a 2017 (whatever make it is), but one that has the safety features... like those introduced in the 2014 Rogue...i have seen those advertised with about 30k-40k miles for around $13-15k.
- Finally, my daughter is pretty responsible (junior in HS)...earns her own money for things like gas, etc.

Thanks for the input.

Fairfaxgator

[datechboss101]

Thank you all for the valuable input.

A couple of things:

- Hell I can't even drive a stick...so that type of car is out.
- With older model cars with high miles is their reliability. Last thing I need is to have my daughter stuck somewhere (even when she goes off to college). And definitely older Nissans i would stay away from (my experience).
- I am not getting a 2017 (whatever make it is), but one that has the safety features... like those introduced in the 2014 Rogue...i have seen those advertised with about 30k-40k miles for around $13-15k.
- Finally, my daughter is pretty responsible (junior in HS)...earns her own money for things like gas, etc.

Thanks for the input.

Fairfaxgator

I'd still suggest and highly recommend you go with a used/CPO Honda Accord or Honda CRV for your daughter. Honda's have been reliable and durable. My 1999 Accord and my dad's 2005 Odyssey, never left us stranded. And, I barely hear any complaints from Honda owners that their Honda left them stranded on the road. Also, I highly recommend you to stay away from the 2014 model year variant, as its the first model year of the 2nd generation Rogue.

[prj]

- With older model cars with high miles is their reliability.

If you were buying a Chevy, Dodge or Ford I would agree with this statement. Older Honda Civics, Honda Accords, Toyota Camrys etc. are very reliable cars.

- I am not getting a 2017 (whatever make it is), but one that has the safety features... like those introduced in the 2014 Rogue...i have seen those advertised with about 30k-40k miles for around $13-15k.

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Ouch. That's a lot of money to spend on a car for an inexperienced driver.

- Finally, my daughter is pretty responsible (junior in HS)...earns her own money for things like gas, etc

That has no bearing on spending "that" kind of money on a car for a 16 year old.

[kboo74]

In my opinion, since only you know your daughter the best go with your choice as to how much to spend and what to spend it on. If you feel she is responsible enough then go for it. Just get a vehicle that you feel she will be safe in and reliable to get her from A to B. Yes I have 2 girls 19 and 11.

Ken