Any chance you could find the part number for the B16 Sentra four-port cooling block? It comes in a service kit with part number 21606-ET89B.slcslugger wrote:jtz54
I've got good news for you. I did some research and the cooling block is sold separately, this is the one with the 4 pipes, 2 for the inlet and outlet of coolant and 2 for the inlet and outlet of the transmission oil so you can route it to an external cooler.
If you purchase the cvt oil cooler kit from Nissan B1606-JM01A whch is for the Rogue it comes with the new oil block so that you have the ability to run the external oil cooler which has its own part number of 21606-1XF0A. The cooling block is not cheap at $320 or so but it would allow you to properly install an external tranmission oil cooler to the vehicle.
The transmission (and it's not limited to CVT) is designed to operate with a certain amount of fluid. While your thinking is correct - more fluid is able to cool better - the transmission itself is only designed to operate with the specified amount of fluid and adding too much can cause serious problems.K03sport wrote:would increasing the amount of actual fluid in the CVT help with the overheating issue? more fluid to absorb the heat and take it away...instead of adding an extra cooler, why not just increase the amount of fluid?
Many people drive their Rogue's on long road trips without issue. You have to look at the sheer number of Rogue's being sold and measure it against the few complaints you read about. The number one enemy of any transmission is heat.with that said, so 3+ hours at 70-75 mph isn't good for the transmission? if that is the case, how good is the ('16) Rogue at doing road trips? If it (the Rogue) is supposed to be the 2016 family car of the year, an overheating transmission is not a good trait to have and in some ways undermines the family car aspect especially if it is going to be used as a road trip vehicle
agree on all points. the idea behind adding more fluid was not to just add more fluid, as an overfill condition will cause more problems, but more from a revise the trans-pan to be able to hold more fluid while keeping it at the level specified by the engineers. I suppose by adding the aux external cooler, not are you adding extra cooling capacity with the radiator, but you are adding more fluid that has to fill the lines and the radiator too; so two things to aid in cooling the trans fluidTrevorK wrote:The transmission (and it's not limited to CVT) is designed to operate with a certain amount of fluid. While your thinking is correct - more fluid is able to cool better - the transmission itself is only designed to operate with the specified amount of fluid and adding too much can cause serious problems...Many people drive their Rogue's on long road trips without issue. You have to look at the sheer number of Rogue's being sold and measure it against the few complaints you read about. The number one enemy of any transmission is heat.
Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:16 pmJTX54 - hopefully you're still part of the forums as I have a question about the cooler block.
You mentioned that there are 4 ports, also seen in your picture.
1 in for radiator coolent
1 out for radiator coolent
1 in for transmission oil
1 out for transmission oil
Here's the part I can't figure out.
The in/out for the radiator coolent will hook back on to the new cooler block (same hoses same ports)
Where are the transmission oil lines on the Rogue? There must be 1 in and 1 out on the transmission but I can't seem to locate them.
My CVT is overheating and has gone into limp mode many times. It is 100% unreliable for highway driving. The dealer said no codes have showed up and they cannot replicate the problem on their 20 minute drives, so they can't do anything.
They want $2000 Canadian for the parts (kit) + labor + fluids. I think that's ridiculous and hoping you can help.
Most Rogue trims do not have this 4-port oil cooler. I suspect you only have the regular 2-port (coolant only) You will need this part # 21606-1XF0A and swap it out so you can install an external oil cooler (coolant and transmission oil).Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:16 pmWhere are the transmission oil lines on the Rogue? There must be 1 in and 1 out on the transmission but I can't seem to locate them.
kots1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:43 pmMost Rogue trims do not have this 4-port oil cooler. I suspect you only have the regular 2-port (coolant only) You will need this part # 21606-1XF0A and swap it out so you can install an external oil cooler (coolant and transmission oil).Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:16 pmWhere are the transmission oil lines on the Rogue? There must be 1 in and 1 out on the transmission but I can't seem to locate them.
Normally tranny oil flows within the "beehive" (oil cooler) in a 2-port configuration while using coolant to warm up or cool down the tranny oil within the beehive. The 4-port has 2 extra holes to let the tranny oil flow out the extra 2 tubes. So coolant still acts as a warm up/cool down in 4-port configuration but with 2 extra lines where tranny oil now goes out of the tube instead of within the beehive. No need to tap to anything. Swapping the 2-port with a 4-port is what you need and an external radiator to mate your 2 extra tubes.Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:01 pmYes I have the 2 port. The 4 port is easy to install but where are the tranny oil lines to tap into? That's what I cannot figure out.
Thanks.
kots1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:39 pmNormally tranny oil flows within the "beehive" (oil cooler) in a 2-port configuration while using coolant to warm up or cool down the tranny oil within the beehive. The 4-port has 2 extra holes to let the tranny oil flow out the extra 2 tubes. So coolant still acts as a warm up/cool down in 4-port configuration but with 2 extra lines where tranny oil now goes out of the tube instead of within the beehive. No need to tap to anything. Swapping the 2-port with a 4-port is what you need and an external radiator to mate your 2 extra tubes.Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:01 pmYes I have the 2 port. The 4 port is easy to install but where are the tranny oil lines to tap into? That's what I cannot figure out.
Thanks.
I can't remember which one is in/out. I got the oil cooler kit which is part # B1606-JM01A. I would recommend getting this kit for about $500. It's well worth it since the brackets and hoses are exact fit. The lengths of hoses goes only one way so there is no guess work which port it goes to. They are also pre-bended so you won't have to worry about making sure hoses are not touching the frame or rubbing causing any distress to it. It's designed to be exact fit. The 4-port beehive is about $200+ already, about $100 for an aftermarket radiator, brackets, hoses, etc. You are only saving no more than $200 and plus time wasted trying to make things fit. I would recommend going with the OEM kit to save you time and headache. It's a small price to pay to ensure longevity of our CVT.Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:59 pmBefore I read this final post, I kept thinking about it and came to the conclusion there are no external lines. The 2 extra ports would allow it to flow.
Is there a specific port for in and a port for out or they can either port be use interchangably for tranny oil?
The coolent lines will hook back directly to the same 2 ports so I'm not worried about that.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for replying! This has bugged me for days and while I like tinkering I'm no master mechanic.
kots1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:10 pmJust some tips on the install that I wished I knew.
1) take out air intake - remove 3 screws, wiggle out the top air intake
2) pull the cylindrical air intake coming from the fender area
2) take out bumper - 4+ push pins on top, 4+ push pins on bottom, 2 x T20 torx and 2 x 10 mm (not exactly sure on the size) on each side.
3) take out battery
4) take out battery tray - the bolts was on tight and not enough room for a breaker bar. I used an impact wrench (used for removing tire lug nuts).
5) take out four bolts from the oem cooler. the bottom right would be the hardest to take out because of the tight space. I would start with this one first so you can quickly remove the remaining bolts w/o loosing too much fluid. Bottom right bolt can be accessed from the fender area side. I cannot find any torque spec for these 4 oil cooler bolts so just feel it and snug - not too tight since it wasn't tight in the first place when I unscrewed it.
according to the ebay description, you might need to unplug the coolant lines to give some slack and insert that plate in between. I went with the OEM Rogue Cooler kit so I cannot tell exactly the procedure for this alternative solution.
When you route two new hoses to the front radiator, make sure they don't rub anything from the vibration. You'll wear out and damage the hose eventually from constant vibration.
There are some bolt holes underneath the bottom bumper for the bracket. Just remove the covering at the bottom. I didn't notice this until I looked hard enough.
Lastly, I was only short half quart CVT fluid after this install. I lost some coolant fluid which I refilled with tap water in the reservoir (or distilled water if your tap water is too hard with minerals).
You are welcome. I am glad to be of help. I don't have any nearby travel plans to Toronto yet but thanks for the beer offer. If you are local here in Southern California, I'd be happy to help.Lostinspace1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:09 amKots1 - If you're ever in Toronto Canada, drop me a PM. I'm going to buy you a few beers for your help. Even giving your thoughts on OEM vs aftermarket made it much easier to make a final decision. Your explanations were extremely helpful, I really appreciated it.
Thanks again!
Hi. Glad the information may be helpful and to answer your questions:
Thanks for that advice and I'll add that project to the list.kots1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:11 am@rowlands57: Thanks for those info. I considered going this route but opted with the OEM kit since I do not have enough info on the extra parts needed back then. This will be useful for others going this route and save a lot of $$$ without compromising quality.
Now, that you have the new setup, I would recommend that you flush your old fluid since the additives may have been exhausted by running it above the ideal temp prior to your conversion. Flushing the old transmission oil should be easier now through the hoses.