Coming to the US Supreme Court on Tuesday

[telcoman]

A word that we can't use here even if its not about sex.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11...login

So what do all you right wing NICOnaughts think about this case?

I hear the word used every day on the Howard Stern show and is the reason he left terrestrial radio to get away from the FCC.

Perhaps its time the FCC wakes up?

We all know the conservatives are cooked and about to be turned over with a fork come Tuesday evening.

Telcoman

[telcoman]

A word that we can't use here even if its not about sex.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11...login

So what do all you right wing NICOnaughts think about this case?

Left NINOnaughts comments welcome also.

I hear the word used every day on the Howard Stern show and is the reason he left terrestrial radio to get away from the FCC.

Perhaps its time the FCC wakes up?

We all know the conservatives are cooked and about to be turned over with a fork come Tuesday evening.

Telcoman

[Cold_Zero]

Howard Stern is on Sirius Radio? I didnt think my radio went up that high into those channels. We will stick to Patriot Radio.bud

[telcoman]

Howard Stern is on Sirius Radio? I didnt think my radio went up that high into those channels. We will stick to Patriot Radio.bud

No wonder you are so out of touch with what is going on

[audtatious]

He's from Indiana where he don't know better and needs people who are all knowing, like people from NJ, to save him from himself.

Anyway, do you feel any language should be allowed at any time on the airways?

[BusyBadger]

Anyway, do you feel any language should be allowed at any time on the airways?

Beat me to it.

Fairness Doctrine cuts both ways - I'll buy some time for Stern, Leary and Miller on Lifetime and Oxygen just to hear them tell Pelosi,"See you next Tuesday."

[Eikon]

I will say that I think our system of censorship is a little out of whack.

You can't say a few choice words on TV, but you can show somebody hacking up a bloody corpse?

I know it's hard, but a little consistency would be nice. I think to heavy in censoring language and too light in censoring violence.

[audtatious]

I agree. A tad bit much on the sex-sells crap too. Hell, even PG-13 movies are coming out with tit shots.

[telcoman]

Anyway, do you feel any language should be allowed at any time on the airways?

On any programming clearly aimed at adults, there should not be any censorship whatsoever.When a Vice President tells another senator to go f himself that comment should not be bleeped and broadcast intact.If younger children over heard that language that is the opportunity for parents to begin teaching their children about the use of proper language.

On programming aimed at children, yes. Mr. Rodgers should not be using that kind of language. (yes i know he is dead but you know what i mean)

The growth of HBO and other cable channels grew mostly based on this issue. The NAB tried to prevent the merger of Sirius and XM because they are losing listeners and the value of their radio broadcast properties are falling. It took over a year and a half for that merger to be approved yet the merger of Northwest Airlines and Delta took only six months. Even the Exxon Mobil merger took less time.

The FCC is very out of touch and needs an overhaul.

[telcoman]

I agree. A tad bit much on the sex-sells crap too. Hell, even PG-13 movies are coming out with tit shots.

Any good picks you'd like to share?

[audtatious]

On any programming clearly aimed at adults, there should not be any censorship whatsoever.When a Vice President tells another senator to go f himself that comment should not be bleeped and broadcast intact.If younger children over heard that language that is the opportunity for parents to begin teaching their children about the use of proper language.

On programming aimed at children, yes. Mr. Rodgers should not be using that kind of language. (yes i know he is dead but you know what i mean)

The growth of HBO and other cable channels grew mostly based on this issue. The NAB tried to prevent the merger of Sirius and XM because they are losing listeners and the value of their radio broadcast properties are falling. It took over a year and a half for that merger to be approved yet the merger of Northwest Airlines and Delta took only six months. Even the Exxon Mobil merger took less time.

The FCC is very out of touch and needs an overhaul.

I don't have a problem with adult programs being R-rated if it is late night. Leaving it a "whatever they want" issue aint gonna fly. On news and such they should bleep the word as it's pretty obvious what they said.

[audtatious]

Any good picks you'd like to share?

Your heart would not be able to take it thus I'm going to save you from yourself and not post any. See, I'm learning new tricks.

[ishkabibble]

The Rightie train of thought: Don't you dare regulate a business in any way shape or form, but please please please regulate anything that our Puritan minds might find objectionable.

[heliochrome85]

I agree. A tad bit much on the sex-sells crap too. Hell, even PG-13 movies are coming out with tit shots.

dont hate. some of us needed those movies to get through puberty...

that being said, i think if you pay for radio, you should not have to be censored. Im fine with stern where he is now.

[audtatious]

The Rightie train of thought: Don't you dare regulate a business in any way shape or form, but please please please regulate anything that our Puritan minds might find objectionable.

Find where I've stated there should be no form of regulation? I simply don't feel it is proper to punish a corporation solely because they are profitable.

[audtatious]

dont hate. some of us needed those movies to get through puberty...

that being said, i think if you pay for radio, you should not have to be censored. Im fine with stern where he is now.

I agree with XM which is a pay service. Same as getting Playboy and others on cable.

[AZhitman]

The Rightie train of thought: Don't you dare regulate a business in any way shape or form, but please please please regulate anything that our Puritan minds might find objectionable.

The Lefty train of thought:

Don't you dare regulate the airwaves, the media, the press, or what we do in our personal lives unless it interferes with our way of life.

telco - How do you reconcile your vote with Obama's support of the Fairness Doctrine? I'm curious to hear a well-crafted explanation of that.

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telco, I agree that the FCC needs to piss off in most cases.

However, I'm torn, because there's clearly some content that simply offends the senses.

My rights as a parent, in my opinion, outweigh your weird desire to hear a few "dirty words".

What lobbying group out there fighting for the right to use the c-word (for example) on the radio? What's next? NAMBLA gonna get some free advertising?

Hell, let's just go all-out and allow bestiality, rape, kiddie p0rn and close-up hatchet murders on prime-time TV.

[audtatious]

He will gladly give rights away in order to get rid of Rush and others from AM radio.

[ishkabibble]

Find where I've stated there should be no form of regulation? I simply don't feel it is proper to punish a corporation solely because they are profitable.

Neither do I. That was more of a general statement of the attitudes of the Righties on this forum.

The Lefty train of thought:

Don't you dare regulate the airwaves, the media, the press, or what we do in our personal lives unless it interferes with our way of life.

My elite, Liberal, college educated mind doesn't get your statement.

[WDRacing]

Neither do I. That was more of a general statement of the attitudes of the Righties on this forum.

So you have no opinion, you just wanna negatively bait others because they have an opinion that differs from yours?

Have you read the fairness doctrine? It's crap...doesn't matter what political party you affiliate yourself with.

We're trying to get away from arguing needlessly. This isn't going to happen until we quit baiting each other into arguments. Most of us are open to discussion and freely admit when someone else makes a valid point. So enough with the baiting

[AZhitman]

My elite, Liberal, college educated mind doesn't get your statement.

One outta three ain't bad.

[ishkabibble]

I feel this is a case of "you can't have it both ways" and my point was valid. I guess I expect you to call Greg out on any inflammatory anti-Left comments from now on; he's at least as guilty as I am of "baiting". I'd even say he's a "master" of it.

Here's my personal opinion:

I really don't care if anything objectionable is broadcast as long as it's content that is otherwise legal. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Everyone has a different opinion about morality and decency, and it's not the nation's job to parent your kids.

I feel the "Fairness Doctrine" is stupid, unnecessary regulation which tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

[AZhitman]

I really don't care if anything objectionable is broadcast as long as it's content that is otherwise legal. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Everyone has a different opinion about morality and decency, and it's not the nation's job to parent your kids.

I feel the "Fairness Doctrine" is stupid, unnecessary regulation which tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

I'm right there with ya, ish.

Now, the Llamas need to be made aware of the Obama campaign's support of the "Fairness Doctrine".

Personally, I abhor ANYTHING that implies "fairness", as I don't believe in such a thing.

Life's not fair, get over it... Find a way to navigate the system that maximizes your needs - or die.

[audtatious]

Here's my personal opinion:

I really don't care if anything objectionable is broadcast as long as it's content that is otherwise legal. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Everyone has a different opinion about morality and decency, and it's not the nation's job to parent your kids.

Really? What about the "It takes a village" approach?

The morality/decency door swings both ways. If you want to watch "immoral/indecent" content then go to the "immoral/indecent content channels".

[ishkabibble]

What about the "It takes a village" approach?

What about the "you decided to have kids and it's entirely your job to raise them" approach?

If you want to watch "immoral/indecent" content then go to the "immoral/indecent content channels".

I'd have to move to the UK for that.

[APEXi240]

Life's not fair, get over it...

My father was a school principal and had a 1st grade girl that would not listen and was sitting on some steps in the school stairwell, big girl, they couldn't move her. He was friendly with her mother and asked her to come in to talk to the girl. The mother walks up to her daughter and states...

Life's not fair, f**king adjust.

Made her get up and get back to class.

Unrelated to the thread, but very relevant to life.

[themadscientist]

That's good s**t right there!

I think we need more parents like that squaring their kids away.

[skylndrftr]

Don't you dare regulate the airwaves, the media, the press, or what we do in our personal lives unless it interferes with our way of life.

telco - How do you reconcile your vote with Obama's support of the Fairness Doctrine? I'm curious to hear a well-crafted explanation of that.

No greg, the 'lefty' point of view is don't regulate us or our viewpoints period end of story.

HOWEVER it is has this little teeny footnote of not considering multinational corporations that use the airwaves that belong to the publc to push their collective viewpoints on us.

its this crazy 'lefty' idea that all those rights belong to people, its that 'righty' idea that corporations are people and that shouldn't be acceptable.

[AZhitman]

No greg, the 'lefty' point of view is don't regulate us or our viewpoints period end of story.

HOWEVER it is has this little teeny footnote of not considering multinational corporations that use the airwaves that belong to the publc to push their collective viewpoints on us.

its this crazy 'lefty' idea that all those rights belong to people, its that 'righty' idea that corporations are people and that shouldn't be acceptable.

Nice try, but utter failure.

The market will dictate what's on the airwaves. Don't cry to me when a libby show can't draw enough listeners (and advertisers) to survive. Don't blame me for the failure of those shows, and don't go trying to pass legislation to artificially manipulate what's on the radio.

Back to the original point: Obama supports the FD. Still waiting to hear how you anti-censorship / anti-FCC regulation people can reconcile those facts.

[skylndrftr]

I'm all for FCC regulation, heck I am even for censorship...can we get one of those pixelation things on Bill O, he really just looks and acts like a big d!ck.

What your not really understanding about this case is its not about 'censoring' TV its about getting fined for somebody saying something unplanned. That is a dangerous step towards censorship, what your implying is not nearly to the same level. Comparing a fine on the slip of a tongue to outright censorship is just making you look sillly.