so i decided to lower my car more after getting sick of the wheel gap. i'm running cusco zero-2r coilovers
here's the rearhttp://i44.photobucket.com/alb...6.jpgi'm pleased with the 0 gappage
now when i went onto the front. i had about 1" gap left. and the coilovers had about .6" of thread left for lowering. http://i44.photobucket.com/alb...7.jpgi didn't really want to remove any perches yet so i maxed it out and decided to preload. after lowering i'm unpleased with the results. i still have about approx 1/2" gap left
ignore the ugly black steelies i have some new wheels going in after my 5 lug stuff/tires/fender roller/rucas arrives http://i44.photobucket.com/alb...4.jpg
how would i lower it another half an inch without removing perches? do i undo the preload and twist it the other way? or preload more? i want like 0 gap don't mind tucking a tad
Modified by Juujai at 9:57 PM 1/23/2006
coilovers maxed out the bottom perch
Re: coilovers maxed out the bottom perch (Juujai)
preloading the springs is not going to get your car lower. regardless, if you are tucking on like 14s your car is going to be retarded low.
but yeah heres what to do about lowering your car, front zero preload (no tension on the spring) with the spring perch and the lower bracket lock collar touching. thats going to be the lowest possible setting without removing perches.
rear is easy bottom out the lower bracket, if you want it lower just lower the spring perch so that it is "floating" on the bracket (like completly loose) and lower the car on that, spring will tension up with the weight of the car. you sacrifice a little shock travel doing this but thats how the cookie crumbles.
but yeah heres what to do about lowering your car, front zero preload (no tension on the spring) with the spring perch and the lower bracket lock collar touching. thats going to be the lowest possible setting without removing perches.
rear is easy bottom out the lower bracket, if you want it lower just lower the spring perch so that it is "floating" on the bracket (like completly loose) and lower the car on that, spring will tension up with the weight of the car. you sacrifice a little shock travel doing this but thats how the cookie crumbles.
thanks for the reply
do i roll the perch off the spring until it barely holds it together? and then have all 3 perches touching each other with the strut pushes as high as possible?
for the rear how do i bottom out the lower bracket? sort of confused. lower the spring perch to the max and let the spring sit on it's own?
it shouldn't be too low since the tires side walls are pretty tall and i don't have crazy aero like you.
do i roll the perch off the spring until it barely holds it together? and then have all 3 perches touching each other with the strut pushes as high as possible?
for the rear how do i bottom out the lower bracket? sort of confused. lower the spring perch to the max and let the spring sit on it's own?
it shouldn't be too low since the tires side walls are pretty tall and i don't have crazy aero like you.
Re: (Juujai)
lmk if you have any more questions.
edit - the crappy compression of the pic managed to blur out some of the periods. i know how to type, i swear.
awesome man you own . diagrams and everything. wow running on only one perch thats like an additional 1" more or less drop. sounds scary low
so id just sort of hit the rear perch while the car is on the ground until the car is lowered to my liking. why is it important for the front spring to be captive but the rear is okay if theres no tension.
i don't about handling/performance as much as slam but how will the handling change running 0 preload on the spring or even hanging the spring. i'm trying to sacrifice as less handling/safety as i can while getting low low but of course will do what it takes.
preloading won't lower car at all. even if i went nuts at it? i know it compresses the spring so once the car's weight is on the tire it will actually raise the car. but is there a point where preloading actually lowers the car? like after the spring stops compressing? lol
Modified by Juujai at 11:52 PM 1/23/2006
so id just sort of hit the rear perch while the car is on the ground until the car is lowered to my liking. why is it important for the front spring to be captive but the rear is okay if theres no tension.
i don't about handling/performance as much as slam but how will the handling change running 0 preload on the spring or even hanging the spring. i'm trying to sacrifice as less handling/safety as i can while getting low low but of course will do what it takes.
preloading won't lower car at all. even if i went nuts at it? i know it compresses the spring so once the car's weight is on the tire it will actually raise the car. but is there a point where preloading actually lowers the car? like after the spring stops compressing? lol
Modified by Juujai at 11:52 PM 1/23/2006
Re: (Juujai)
all that happens when you preload the spring is it shifts weight around. pre loading the spring higher up just to get a couple more threads of adjustment on the lower perch is counter productive, because the extra tension in the spring will just push the car back up.
yeah on the front you only "really" need 1 perch, the single perch can double as the spring perch and as the lock plate for the lower bracket.
the reason you dont droop the spring on the front shock is because of how the suspension is designed, you dont need to. since the bracket bolts to the spindle on the side rather than the bottom like on the rear, it has a hole in the bottom, so it can go up and down the shock freely.
in the rear, you have to droop the spring to get it lower because the bottom bracket is solid on the bottom, so there is a set maximum that you can thread it up the shock before it bottoms out.
ideally, drooping the spring isnt the "best" (it dosent really matter if you droop it 1-2cm or whatever) since what you are doing is reducing the shock travel, making your car more likley to hit the bumpstops on hard cornering. so if you do it too much you will bottom out the suspension and handling will suffer. basically just do it in moderation and you will be fine. just dont try to tuck lugnuts or anything haha.
also when adjusting i wouldnt reccomend doing it with the car on the ground. jack the car up, take the wheel off, adjust the plates etc. you can just leave them loose while you are adjusting, put the wheel back on with like 3 lugs, just do it hand tight since all you are doing is sitting the car back down to check it dosent have to be torqued and all that. once you get it where you want tighten down the lock plates and lug nuts and everything.
yeah on the front you only "really" need 1 perch, the single perch can double as the spring perch and as the lock plate for the lower bracket.
the reason you dont droop the spring on the front shock is because of how the suspension is designed, you dont need to. since the bracket bolts to the spindle on the side rather than the bottom like on the rear, it has a hole in the bottom, so it can go up and down the shock freely.
in the rear, you have to droop the spring to get it lower because the bottom bracket is solid on the bottom, so there is a set maximum that you can thread it up the shock before it bottoms out.
ideally, drooping the spring isnt the "best" (it dosent really matter if you droop it 1-2cm or whatever) since what you are doing is reducing the shock travel, making your car more likley to hit the bumpstops on hard cornering. so if you do it too much you will bottom out the suspension and handling will suffer. basically just do it in moderation and you will be fine. just dont try to tuck lugnuts or anything haha.
also when adjusting i wouldnt reccomend doing it with the car on the ground. jack the car up, take the wheel off, adjust the plates etc. you can just leave them loose while you are adjusting, put the wheel back on with like 3 lugs, just do it hand tight since all you are doing is sitting the car back down to check it dosent have to be torqued and all that. once you get it where you want tighten down the lock plates and lug nuts and everything.
i understand what you're saying preload+rolling the lower perch counter productive. that's probably what happened when i tried to lower more by preloading and ended up with half an inch of gap.
preloading shifts the weight around? what does that mean? how would preload be beneficial. basically slam+preload can't go together from what your diagram showed me unless i get some really small springs.
LOL tuck lug nuts oh man. if i was crazy i'd tuck up to the rim of the wheel at max.
yeah this is a temp setup until i get all my stuff ready. i know that once i change wheels/tires and dial in camber the height will be different. but i ran into a lowering problem with the front
preloading shifts the weight around? what does that mean? how would preload be beneficial. basically slam+preload can't go together from what your diagram showed me unless i get some really small springs.
LOL tuck lug nuts oh man. if i was crazy i'd tuck up to the rim of the wheel at max.
yeah this is a temp setup until i get all my stuff ready. i know that once i change wheels/tires and dial in camber the height will be different. but i ran into a lowering problem with the front
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Re: coilovers maxed out the bottom perch (Juujai)
or you could just "man up" and get some zeals
cusco's have a good drop though, I'm suprised theres still a half inch of gapwith them maxed out.
cusco's have a good drop though, I'm suprised theres still a half inch of gapwith them maxed out.
i'd like to try the swift super mach or some of that quantum or maybe even some of that higher end aragosta stuff but for the $ and what i'm using them for i don't think it's needed maybe down the road if i ever become drunk and deicde to do something stupid
yeah the cuscos still have gap even at maxing out =/ but maybe not i'll check it out later by undoing all of the preload and maxing it out again
yeah the cuscos still have gap even at maxing out =/ but maybe not i'll check it out later by undoing all of the preload and maxing it out again
GAHHH cusco coilovers can go to hAell, i floated them about 1mm or so it was loose, and then i maxed out the coilovers again on the front. and i still have .25" gap. maybe cuz the cusco bottom perch is really thick. that thing is like about .8" thick probably restricting the lowering a little.
i think i have 2 choices? float the spring more or remove the bottom perch but then i'll be tucked so i would have to preload to accomodate that?
lol i'm so fast at removing the strut from the knuckle now i can do it without light and only takes 30 seconds to line up the hole with the strut. i've been sitting outside for hour splaying with it
i think i have 2 choices? float the spring more or remove the bottom perch but then i'll be tucked so i would have to preload to accomodate that?
lol i'm so fast at removing the strut from the knuckle now i can do it without light and only takes 30 seconds to line up the hole with the strut. i've been sitting outside for hour splaying with it
Re: (Juujai)
Why are you removing the lower strut mount from the spindle? It is not neccesary to adjust ride height or anything else.
Re: (Juujai)
hey man take a pic of your front suspension, i think you are doing somthing wierd.
okay im done sort of half finger up front. i maxed it out with on preload the spring is held on but i can lift it up if i tried. i took the middle perch off and maxed it all the way. all i got is 1/2 finger gap.
no access to a camera right now i'll try to get a picture up tomorrow but i think i'm doing everything right. ive been at it for th epast 5 hours jacking up and down and adjusting. my back is dead.
for some reason the rear coilovers get lower than the front. the back is preloaded about 1/2-1inch i forget and maxed out and i'm barely tucking.
but the front i have near 0 preload and maxed out with the middle perch removed and i'm still have a tad gappage. maybe i'm doing something wrong but i don't know.
Modified by Juujai at 11:08 PM 1/24/2006
no access to a camera right now i'll try to get a picture up tomorrow but i think i'm doing everything right. ive been at it for th epast 5 hours jacking up and down and adjusting. my back is dead.
for some reason the rear coilovers get lower than the front. the back is preloaded about 1/2-1inch i forget and maxed out and i'm barely tucking.
but the front i have near 0 preload and maxed out with the middle perch removed and i'm still have a tad gappage. maybe i'm doing something wrong but i don't know.
Modified by Juujai at 11:08 PM 1/24/2006