coilover sleeves

[GmFwd]

How about an intellegent response explaining why my statement is wrong? Oh, you cant, because its not.

your statement is wrong, the sleeves are junk. all of them.
the oem/aftermarket strut/shock topic was already covered, and the reason people buy these is because they want more of a drop than springs allow, at the same time...nearly all aftermarket shocks arent designed to go that low either, which is why we all use coilovers.
if you wanna ride bullsh*t, thats cool...just dont expect a highfive for the s***.
now thats not really an attack on you persay, all im saying here is dont encourage use of these bullsh*t parts. because thats all they are

Maybe your not understanding that a set of cheap koni inserts or bilsteins are better built than most of the coilovers offered for our cars. They come in different cartridge lengths so you can go as low as you want.

Let me re-state my argument. Coilover sleeves are fine, WITH PROPER DAMPENING. By proper I mean you will spend 400 bucks or more just on shocks alone. If your gonna half a** it and run these with cheap stock/kyb stuff, dont do it.

[pj]

no, maybe youre not understanding...dampening doesnt matter...at all when compared to CRAP build quality of the sleeve itself. we nay sayers' main arguement on these f*** things is that they are CHEAP dont hold up and will crack, break and straight up split apart when beat on...how safe is that? its not. you are defending ride quality, thats cool...konis/gc ride fine, and as previously stated, thats the only combo worth a darn.
the OP isnt going to spend the money on that set-up, and is better off with coils.
now let me re-state. crappy cheap wannabe coilover bullish is crappy, not trustworthy and i wouldnt use it to lower my go-kart.

[JKL1031]

With porper dampening, coil sleevs would be fine...What really makes them bad is when you change height, you bother the spring preload. Also they always havea bad fit that leads to clunking, coming unseated etc. since they basicly lay on the strut perch. There is also a chance you would be banging the bumpstops once you go to low since aftermarket shocks are built close to OEM heights and lengths. Very few allow a deeper piston stroke for lowering. So the main problem is ur using a ultra hard ultra low adjustable spring that isnt matched to any shock. Eibach i believe are the only people who offer OEM type struts to be compatible with thier coilsleeves.You would need koni adjustables or sum like that to tame them. But yes once u get sleeves and proper dampening, you would be at alot of $$$.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Back to topic... You want to be low and you want to be cheap. Find me two things first,

1- A shock rated for a lowering spring greater than 2 inches.
2 - A coil sleeve that fits the base and top hat.

Now here it is, you wont.

[simmode1]

If you're dead set on coil spring/sleeves or whatever... Koni+Ground Controls are your best bet. But ppl randonly saying they're better than conventional coilovers need to define "better".

Koni+Groud Controls have a reputed superior ride quality to most conventional coilovers in the $1000 price range and they allow you to fit wheels with higher offsets up front. But this is about as low as they're gonna go.


^^^That's not too bad, IMO... But personally, I'd happily sacrifice a little ride quality/comfort to be lower than that pic...

Also alot more went into that than a basic strut/spring setup. You have to assemble the Koni+Ground Control setup. And I don't mean 'simply install' it. You really have to put every frikken piece together. By the time you buy all the parts that will make your setup "superior to off the shelf coilovers", you could have bought a $2000 coilover setup that would still feel great to ride on AND go lower.

Mods - Plz forgive the Z link. But I think it's the best display of what you're getting into if you wanna do sleeves right.
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[allenms240]

If you're dead set on coil spring/sleeves or whatever... Koni+Ground Controls are your best bet. But ppl randonly saying they're better than conventional coilovers need to define "better".

Koni+Groud Controls have a reputed superior ride quality to most conventional coilovers in the $1000 price range and they allow you to fit wheels with higher offsets up front. But this is about as low as they're gonna go.


^^^That's not too bad, IMO... But personally, I'd happily sacrifice a little ride quality/comfort to be lower than that pic...

Also alot more went into that than a basic strut/spring setup. You have to assemble the Koni+Ground Control setup. And I don't mean 'simply install' it. You really have to put every frikken piece together. By the time you buy all the parts that will make your setup "superior to off the shelf coilovers", you could have bought a $2000 coilover setup that would still feel great to ride on AND go lower.

Mods - Plz forgive the Z link. But I think it's the best display of what you're getting into if you wanna do sleeves right.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/270829-writeup ... embly.html

The cool thing with the koni yellows, is you can adjust the height on the actual strut as well as the coilover spring. You can change perch levels. That pic I don't believe justifies the ride height they can do. But friend's prelude is about that height, and he's no where near maxed out.

But yes, they are a PITA to put together.

[simmode1]

Show me plz. You can Google all manner of Honda's slammed with them, but that pic is the lowest I've ever seen an S-Chassis go with them. But I'd much rather spend money on something like Stance LX+'s, Fortune Autos, Apexi EXV's or Megan RS specs.

[lylasohc]

thanks for the responses now i know for sure full coilovers are way better. now i heard bout lowering my car and having the rear camber super negative. how do i prevent that cuz i realy dont want to be getting camber wear on my tires. i heard camber kits r pretty good for that. is there anything else?

[simmode1]

Specifically, you need Rear Adjustable Camber Arms (RUCA's for short). Camber can/will get thrown off by over lowering, but I've never seen it "super-negative" versus what ppl will intentionally do to their cars for the sake of achieving Hella-Flush fitment...

[pj]

coils/ruca

damn man, read and search.

[lylasohc]

whatever u say pj. thanks for all the help. i have a pretty good idea what im gonna do now thanks

[DMan II-40]

Don't know why everyone is saying GroundControl are only good with koni yellow... There are plenty of other struts like the koni 80xx series inserts, bilstein, ohlins. You just have to do the research and actually find the parts. If your lazy or stupid do off the shelf coilovers. If you want a better product at lower cost, and feel that you are smart enough to assemble your own coilovers, then go the GC/strut route...