Coil over choices
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captain nismo
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Coil over choices
This up coming summer, i intend on getting some coilovers with wheels and rubber. The two coilovers that i am trying to decide between are the JiC-Magic FLT-A2's or the A'pexi N1 Pro coilovers. My car will mostly be street driven, with some track and autocross days. If anyone knows the pros and cons of either setup please reply. Secondly, the rubber i'm trying to choose from is either Toyo Proxes T1-S or Yokohama Parada spec-2's. They seem very similar in structure and design; iwas just wondering if anyone has used them and what they think about their performance/handling' etc. Thanks for all the help.Chris
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captain nismo
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wheels
To go with the above coilover setup, i was thinking of getting some Motegi racing wheels, the MR7's to be exact. My car is black and i'm gonna get the gunmetal color for the rims. My first choice for wheels are not these, but i don't have the funds right now to go and buy some Volk's. Does anyone if the offset on these rims would work on my car? Any opinions on the wheels? I'm either going to get 17's or 18's but i'm not sure which size yet.Chris
if your not going all-out-race, get the JIC, n-1's are serious ****. Also, motegi wheels are good for the money..but geesus, you want to be ANOTHER PERSON WITH mR7's??!?!?!? like every kid I know with a civic has those..they will fit, but not well(too positive of an offset). check out some other wheels, the mr7 is kinda heavy. Also, the parada spec-2 is better than the toyo, no contest.see the tire/suspension FAQ also.-chetyou also dont need anything over a 17" rim period, unless your "show" and not"go".
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captain nismo
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Thanks for the help Chet. So the spec-2's are much better than the T1-S? The only problem with the parada's is the limited amount of sizes. The other type of rims that i was looking at lately are Konig Flatlines. I like the black opal colour. So no bigger than 17's for go you think? The 17'' Flatlines are 7'' wide. How wide of a tire could i fit on them?Thanks again.Chris
Hehe, yeah the MR7's are a bit played out, but I still like them.You're going to notice power losses as you make your rims bigger though. 17's will run quicker than 18's for example. If you want the best tire for the strip, P7000 is my opinion. But if you're strapped for cash, Kumho Ecsta Supra's are the best of the cheapest.
toyo cant holde a candle to yokohama man... I've driven both, and seen how both hold up on different cars...
if you want a seriously grippy tire, get the a032R advan from yokohama, or the AVS sport.
toyo is similar to kumho, and close to falken, if you know what I mean. But thats just my opinion based on what I see, and what I did with my different tires.-chet
if you want a seriously grippy tire, get the a032R advan from yokohama, or the AVS sport.
toyo is similar to kumho, and close to falken, if you know what I mean. But thats just my opinion based on what I see, and what I did with my different tires.-chet
eh, I see them all day, every day man. I do tires and stuff for a living, I see every major brand and how they hold up, even on track cars. Every time I hear *****es about toyo its the same thing "they wore out too quick" or "they dont grip enough during autocrosses", but hey...maybe you've had good luck with toyo. Its got nothing to do with looks man...Toyo, unfortunately seems to have gotten the money to sponsor many, mayn import mags, and import raceS(like NOPI stuff) so everyone thinks(allong with kumho) they are some great "race" tires..when they arent. Yokohama, bridgestone, michelin and pirelli have by far the best developed race programs(with bridgestone pirelli and micheling being better than yokohama) and tire development that most other brands, and I see it every day. I dont get customers with Ferrari 512TR's, lotus esprit V-8 or porshe turbos asking for toyo, but I do get them demanding I take them OFF their cars.(just for the record, the ferrari is getting Pzero competitions, the lotus had two sets, AVS sports and advan a032R[one set for race, other for street], and the porshe turbo got michellin pilot sports)
and none of the cars I've put them on have come back, but I did get great feedback from all of them, including many BMW M3, M5 and corvette ownder about yokohama s being a great gripping tire, etc.
whew, long paragraph, but thats what I do all day for money, so Isee it a lot.-chet
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and none of the cars I've put them on have come back, but I did get great feedback from all of them, including many BMW M3, M5 and corvette ownder about yokohama s being a great gripping tire, etc.
whew, long paragraph, but thats what I do all day for money, so Isee it a lot.-chet
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The hmmm i saw the yokos loosing grip after the heat of the track going to them... i mean its not like im the only one who saw it... i'll give you this guys email... he won the solo1 or 2 class last year on proxes and has nothing but good things to say about them... he says they hold up and stick as good as anything he's tried thusfar.. gah... there are far to many tires to choose from... no matter what tire you choose it's going to be an improvement... i dunno... Perelli, yoko, and toyo are all mint in my book... 
-chetI'm not sure what compound he was running i'll find his site....
http://www.turbo240sx.ca
He's very happy with his tires... but i think the proxes T1-s and the avs sport have similar tread blocks.... i think i could go either way....
Keep in mind this guy really only races on the track, and not on the street, wear is not nescessarily a huge problem for him but grip certainly is...
http://www.turbo240sx.ca
He's very happy with his tires... but i think the proxes T1-s and the avs sport have similar tread blocks.... i think i could go either way....
Keep in mind this guy really only races on the track, and not on the street, wear is not nescessarily a huge problem for him but grip certainly is...
I didnt see on his site where he ran any yokohama, I know Don from PDM does though...eh, not a big deal..I'd really like to get in a "same-car-same track" type deal with the major race tires and see whos was the best...*lightbulb* ..man maybe I can get a few sets from each MFR sent to me to test. woute!...yeah..in my DREAMS.-chet
Re: Coil over choices
captain nismo wrote:This up coming summer, i intend on getting some coilovers with wheels and rubber. The two coilovers that i am trying to decide between are the JiC-Magic FLT-A2's or the A'pexi N1 Pro coilovers. My car will mostly be street driven, with some track and autocross days. If anyone knows the pros and cons of either setup please reply. Secondly, the rubber i'm trying to choose from is either Toyo Proxes T1-S or Yokohama Parada spec-2's. They seem very similar in structure and design; iwas just wondering if anyone has used them and what they think about their performance/handling' etc. Thanks for all the help.Chris
Tein Basic Dampener.
you've also never driven on either, and probably never on a A032R from yokohama... just because a certain car uses a "shaved" (its more than shaved, BTW...check into it.) tire doesnt translate into much if you arent comparing it properly. Anyways, like I said, I do this for a living and see it every day, if you love toyos, keep running them. I wont, because I 've seen too many problems and other things I didnt like from them.-chet
ive heard falkens are really good to my brother has them he loves them. im looking into getting new tires now and interested in trying something differnt but i can get the azenis for about 50 a tire so even if the life is pretty short thats still worth it, my dad works for a tire distributer, so i guess he can get the others for cheap too but whats the price comparison with some of those other tires, AO32R, parada spec 2's, or the toyos?
FrEaK wrote:Matt the Falkens were the best? Interesting... the tread life is pretty weak on them, but Falken has been increasing thier product quality in order to fit their demographic, that's interesting... exactly what was better about them? Grip? Predictability?
for a street tire or autocross tire the azenis are straight up the best tire money can buy. Who cares about 200 treadwear when they are so frigging cheap anyways!
don't hot lap them, they will get greasey and suck bad, requiring you to allow them to cool down.
DOnt buy an a032R for street use, it will wear incredibly fast. I'd love to see the toyo and the Ao32R in a competition. WHen did you get a ahcne to drive the same car with differet tires matt? THat is a rare oportunity, unless you have a lot of money, or my job with access to all of the tires and "track" events held by tire companies. I still maintain the AVS sport will roast a Toyo, noh olds bared. I've seen them both and driven both...real world, the toyo just doesnt hold up. anyways, Like I said this is what I do for a living, its just my opinion based on my 3 years of experience with differet tire companies, and differet cars, and the consumer feedback about them. I've taken off too many sets of toyo's on cars like the M3, lotus and others to recomend them.
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captain nismo
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Thanks for all the opinions guys. Here's the scenario though. Up here in Alberta i can only keep my rims and "summer" tires on from May to September. Out of that range, there is hella snow. So i want tires that will be used about 90% for the street and about 10% for the strip and autocross. I have the stock 15" 's on right now with some pos firestone all seasons wrapped around them. I jsut want to get some tires that will last decently, but be very grippy for the street and track. The spec-2's look good, and so do the Goodyear's. So any suggestions?Chris
suggestoin number one: get a 205-55-15, theres plenty of high-performance tire sizes offered. the dunlop sp5000 will be a decent "all around, all season" tire for you, and wont break the bank, in that size. But you really wont find many "ultra grippy" tires capable of dealing with snow(in fact, none) so you'll be limited by that problem. A falken Ziex 512, dunlop sp5000, or the like will provide some deccent "all-season" traction and keept he speed rating, and dry grip levels better than the stockers are.-chet
Exar-Kun wrote:DOnt buy an a032R for street use, it will wear incredibly fast. I'd love to see the toyo and the Ao32R in a competition. WHen did you get a ahcne to drive the same car with differet tires matt? THat is a rare oportunity, unless you have a lot of money, or my job with access to all of the tires and "track" events held by tire companies. I still maintain the AVS sport will roast a Toyo, noh olds bared. I've seen them both and driven both...real world, the toyo just doesnt hold up. anyways, Like I said this is what I do for a living, its just my opinion based on my 3 years of experience with differet tire companies, and differet cars, and the consumer feedback about them. I've taken off too many sets of toyo's on cars like the M3, lotus and others to recomend them.
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You had to go saying that agian didn't you lol.... fear my toyos... my invisible toyos.. they're on the way...
Matt i will be doing laps so they wont have much time to cool down... chances are they'll break down too quick to be effective enough... maybe i'm wrong... maybe when i can afford to try all different brands i'll make my own brand of tire that will rule all
Victoracer = good stuff
Right now I am running on a set of 205/50 15 Toyo RA-1's during track events. I must say these tires are incredibly sticky, but they wear CRAZY fast. A friend of mine and I came to the autocross with all of our R compounds worn right to the point that the tread is level with the wear bars, we each made 4 runs and by the time that we were done I had worn my toyos to the point that you couldn't even see the wear bars anymore and his Victoracers looked almost the same as when he brought them (4 laps each on a 1.3mi autocross both in 240's)
I think that when I get tires again for my 17's I am gonna get some Pirelli P7000's. I had some P6000's and they kicked balls, so the p7k's ought to be even better.
Right now I am running on a set of 205/50 15 Toyo RA-1's during track events. I must say these tires are incredibly sticky, but they wear CRAZY fast. A friend of mine and I came to the autocross with all of our R compounds worn right to the point that the tread is level with the wear bars, we each made 4 runs and by the time that we were done I had worn my toyos to the point that you couldn't even see the wear bars anymore and his Victoracers looked almost the same as when he brought them (4 laps each on a 1.3mi autocross both in 240's)
I think that when I get tires again for my 17's I am gonna get some Pirelli P7000's. I had some P6000's and they kicked balls, so the p7k's ought to be even better.