Clay Bars - Miracle Workers!

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Turned on to these gems through my detailer - they can make a SPECTACULAR difference !

If the general NICO crowd isn’t up to speed on them - Just a bit of history...

The Japanese car industry had a lot of trouble with overspray in the factories. Some brilliant mind(s) came up with the product made of plastics and synthetic rubbers all mixed into a Silly Putty like product. It was used on the assembly lines to remove overspray without having to buff the crud off the paint. Yup, Japanese engineering comes through for us one more time :D

To check its effectiveness, take a baggy (the thin cheap kind - not a thick Ziplock), put it on your hand and slide it over your just washed car hood/roof/trunk. You will feel it (dirt, pollution, sap . . .) snag and drag. It is scary. Now clay the horizontal surfaces and repeat. Your hand will slide like it is on ice. No snags or very, very few. That is clean paint ready for waxing, etc....

Less time, less damage possible, cheaper. If you ever pick up a bar of clay, you will find that it is sort of sticky/tacky. For it to work, it has to have a lubricant under it so it can slide easily. Some use a detail spray and some use a car wash soap solution. It works by grabbing (it is tacky) up the embedded particles in the paint. Since it is floating on a fluid, it really doesn't scratch the paint. They do come in different grits, so don’t believe the PR that they can-do-no-harm - A 600 lb Gorilla pressing on a clay pad w/o enough lube is NOT a good bet ! I use the Schlegel Gray Ghost (Fine Grade) brand which say they are actually “Made in Japan” plus a free soap/water spray or running water.

To clean it, you just fold it in on itself and flatten it out again with a new surface. There are different grades of clay. Some are more abrasive and will remove sap/droppings that have really baked on the paint. Most of us use the mildest stuff. If you ever drop it on the floor, you really should toss it out since it will pick up every piece of gravel and crud.

Then, you are ready to nurse your Q back into form with your choice of cleaners/Swirl Removers/glaze/waxes/polymer finishes . . ._________________________________________The following is from an AutoDetailing Forum that gives some usage insights -

The neat thing about clay is that it won't remove clear or induce scratches IF you use a lubricant. Anyway, here is what I do to clay:

1. Wash the vehicle with Dawn (original, unscented stuff). The reason is that you want to remove all the wax since the clay will work best on bare clear/paint. Dry it like you normally would.

2. Take your clay bar and divide it in half or thirds. The reason is that if (and I have) you drop the bar on the floor, it is worthless. It will pick up every rock, chip, bug body that it touched. Then you still have some clay left to work with and you don't need a whole glob.

3. Flatten the clay into a patty maybe 3" or so. Spray a 2'x2' area with your lube (Quick Detail or a car wash/water solution). You only need a mist of it. Now work the bar from front to back. It does not take much pressure. You can feel when you need more lube since it will start to drag instead of gliding. Now move the clay 90 degrees and work it across the hood. This gives you a different angle to pick up bits that stuck after the first attempt. Since you are not scratching anything, it is not like waxing or washing in only a front to back motion. You will not cause a scratch with clay. Now fold it in on itself like cookie dough and flatten it out again. Move onto a new area and repeat.

4. You may find a light residue left over. If you are going to use a swirl mark remover or polish, then just leave it alone and apply your next product. Some folks will wash the car again and this is fine if you want. If you are going to wax right over the clay, then you may want to wash it so you aren't trying to get wax to stick to a "dirty" surface. You would probably want a nice clean paint surface since you are trying to get the wax to adhere and seal.

5. The best way to store clay is to take all your pieces and put them into a sealable plastic bag. Squirt in some QD or a bit of your car wash soap/water solution so that they stay wet. You aren't trying to submerge them, but you want them to stay moist. They will dry out and become worthless._________________________________________When fellows recommend using Dawn, it is to do just what everyone says it will do:

Remove all the wax/glazes down to the clear.

You can't clay effectively on top of wax. You need to be on clean clear/paint. Dawn will strip it off since it is quite alkaline in PH value. If you used it every car wash, you would not do a favor to your paint. It would be nasty to your clear/paint. That is why we only use it when we do swirl mark work or when we clay. Since you only clay maybe twice or three times a year, Dawn will not hurt your paint. To just do the usual car wash/detail work, always use a Car Wash soap. None other. Car Wash type of soap is pretty neutral in PH value and does not strip wax. It has surfactants to lift and hold dirt in the film so that it floats off into your wash mitt. Remember:

Dawn wash only to strip your wax/sealant so that you can clay or swirl mark work.

Dawn is only a part of the process.

Firstly, it is harmless to clearcoat, but you are using a capful to 2 gallons of WARM water. Rinse with warm water. Cold water will just put the wax back on the car.


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I use Zaino products and the most important part of detailing is the first step....clay bar. It is amazing how much stuff comes off even a new car. They pick up pollutants on the ship or train while being transported.

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Nice write-up!

I've used the clay bar mor ethan a few times. They clay always comes in a very small amount and it goes bad real fast.

I'm wondering if you can just buy a certain clay, say from an art store? Will it do the same? What type of clay could you use?

After fresh caly/wax:


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Clay magic is what the pro shops and detailers use. I've tried the meguirs bar and a few others. The clay magic is definitely the best one I've used. Here is a link to their website. You can get the 200gram bar for 34.95 or the 100 gram bar for 19.95. http://www.clay-magic.com/claymagic_products.asp

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Hey, does anyone have a good site I can go to or a book I can buy to learn about the proper way to clean and detail a car? I've always washed my own car, but msscomm, I learned a lot from your write up. I'm always up for learning something new and I think that would be something fun to learn. Thanks!

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i need to get me some of that.

i got lazy, never going to those dam self carwash again. the dam brush scratched up my car. wasn't bad but dam... not noticeable!

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two BIG thumbs up for the clay bar. it really is a miracle worker. the paint on my 90Q came out smooth as brand new glass. i find myself running my hand over the paint on the door as i'm driving. AMAZING. after the clay bar i used maguiers polish, then their Hi-Tech yellow carnuba paste wax. the paint appears to be wet all the time. according to other nico members there are better waxing products(which i will try) but the results from this "off the shelf" treatment are stunning. can't imagine a better shine, but i'll try!!!! good luck, jeff

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That thing sounds great. I live in FL. I have bug marks on my car. Is there a PROVEN way to get them off?

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creophus wrote:I have bug marks on my car. Is there a PROVEN way to get them off?


You're reading about it!

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Ok, great! Didn't see any mention of bugs in the post. I need to get some of this stuff and try it out!

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You'll be impressed - Take your time and wash BEFORE AND AFTER!

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KS_Honda_Killer wrote:Hey, does anyone have a good site I can go to or a book I can buy to learn about the proper way to clean and detail a car?


Killa

Here is a URL for a killer yahoo forum that is specific to auto detailing - http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/...sages

You have to wade through a lot of repetition but there are several real pros contibuting like "craig" that you can pull up on a search - read through a batch over a couple of nights and you can absorb an awful lot of really great info !

There are a couple of real pros that you can pick out from the masses and soak up thier knowledge - almost like our own sainted Q45tech and what he brings to our little party here at NICO !:bowdown

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FYI - Auto Detailing

The whole subject of Auto Detailing is filled w/individual preferences to the nth degree - you can get five guys in a room and end up with 8 different ways that are all “guaranteed” to be the best - my take - Try ‘em all and find what works for your specific needs -

Just one example, and by no means correct or as exhaustive as some I have seen/used -

1. Chenile wash mitts. Two. One above the belt line, one below.2. Two buckets. One with Car Wash soap, one with clean water to rinse the mitt before it goes in the wash bucket. (Dump out the clean water bucket after use and you can see all the crap you are avoiding putting back onto the finish by doing this extra rinse step)3. Wash top down to bottom.4. Wash in shade or garage/car port. Air hose to blow water from cracks and crevices. (Or a spin around the block)5. Microfiber waffle towel to dry.

Now if you want to take care of the swirls:1. Wash with Dawn blue soap.2. Clay the hood, top, etc.. wherever you want to remove the swirls.3. I wash it again to remove any residue, some don't.4. 3M Swirl Mark Remover. Follow the instructions for hand or machine use. Work that stuff in. Don't be afraid of it if you are using a machine. Use a foam pad, waffle or smooth. Hand work is Work! It can be done, but don't even think about doing more than a hood. Unless you are WWF material, you will be Jello arms at the end.5. Use a good wax since the Dawn/Clay has removed all that might have been on the vehicle.

As I said, by no means exhaustive - I have seen 15 to 30 step processes detailed - there is a whole lot of subjective, as well as objective issues such as swirl removal, claying, glazing, washing, waxing, hand vs machine applications, polymer formulations, mixing brands and product lines, showcars to daily runners, garaged to exposed finishes . . . And were not even mentioning going into painting/refinishing and that whole can of worms

All I could say is listen and ask - and find something that fits your lifestyle and budget -

E-mail me if you might like a couple of more detailed washing or waxing instructions - I thought some of them were excessive, but mighty interesting reading.

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Thanks for all the info msscomm, I'm actually going to bookmark this thread for future reference, and I signed up for that forum too. I love learning new things!

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Great info! I've bookmarked too! Thx- D

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Great info

I tried Meguires clay on my wifes car, she had gotton something on it that would not wash or wax off, came off with ease and no marks on the paint. Can't wait to detail teh J real good this summer

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