civic beat

[corey240]

ok guys i got beat by a 95 hondacivic with a b18c gsr engine swap. he totaly dominated me. what do i need to do as in the weight class. i know carbonfiber hood but i wana know what to do everything els wise. i got a 98 240sx. guys please help me. tell me something like what weighs less...stock bumpers or abody kit? things like that.and yes it as an sr. heres my cardomain page so you know what all is done to it.http://www.cardomain.com/ride/1071727...thanks guys

[97ka-t]

Firstly, your red top is really putting out 180rwhp or so.. maybe 200 if you're lucky.. The B18 is probably putting out the same numbers, assuming it is lightly modded.. Secondly, FD's were only made from '93-95 in the USA, and production stopped in Japan in 2002.Thirdly, unless you want to take apart your car, destroy the resale value, and make it uncomfortable- I'd just get a bolt on turbo upgrade for your SR.. lightweight wheels, flywheel, etc help too..Also, I hope you don't regularly use those disgusting chrome wheels.. HEAVY and UGLY

[corey240]

nope wheels aregone they were just on for the shows. he had intake headers catback exhaust and forged pistons. what turbo would be best for me? daily driver night racer/drifter? i want 1 from turbocalculator.com

[97ka-t]

There's a forum specifically for SR20DET's.. I'm not an expert on the turbo's but I think you can bolt a S15 turbo onto there for a good bit of extra HP. Try posting this ? in the SR forum.

[Gold Digger]

all that you got under the hood and you get walked by B18c. Something doesnt sound right man. I love the 240 and I also know that the B18c is a healthy motor, but you have a boost controller, FMIC, decent IC piping that isn't huge, 3" exhaust and a 5 speed and you get walked by a civic...was it boosted? what did he have done. if it was an all motor beast...i can understand, but I dont think a B18 even with I/H/E is gonna take an SR on a BC, 3" and FMIC...something doesnt add up right. Or are you just not driving right...what is it...

[corey240]

he had headers, 2 1/2 in catback exhaust, intake, forged pistons and yes it was an all engine car. il get a pic of it and post it on here tonight. i mean i dont know what happend. first time i missed 3rd gear so we went again and everything was perfect and he flew right by, i had a person accounted for every seat belt and he had 1 girl and no interior but seats dash and door panels. i really dont know what happend. im just wondering if an after market bumper would be lighter than my stock 1 but my stock 1 is cut out to accomidate the intercooler. i will post this on the sr forum but i mean is the body kit really worth it weight wise over stock? and no the chrome wheels arent on anymore and havnt been for months now im selling them and i dont know what im gonna buy with the money.

[Gold Digger]

Well, the four people in the car might have had something to do with it, thats an extra...lowballing here...600lbs. What are you runnin boost wise?

[srpowered240sx]

you should be blowing his doors off at anything above 11psi. my buddy has a built type r motor in a eg hatch with port polish, i/h/e, cams, gears, etc. and were almost dead even at the track on street legal drag radials, but on the freeway i kill him. but your s14 is a little heavier than mine, i vote on turbo upgrade or a differential instead of lightening, i like interiors.

[Red coupe]

How about the good old fashion method of going to a race track and practicing...Also not a great Idea to "Race" with a full car....going from 2700lb to 3300lb is gonna hurt your cars acceleration a bit...

[240DRFT]

your car weighs like 500lbs more, just the car. then u have a few people at a few hundred a piece. starts to add up.

[1991S13]

He beat you because of the headers.

[grimple1]

the gsr engines are tough. that's why all honda fans want it or the H22. there's a reason for that. ...

I'd personally spend less time on carbon fibering stuff and more work on the engine/suspension.

also, was he running the bottle?

[JimmyMethod]

Remove 3 people and 90% of your gas, then run that guy again... Each gallon is abot 8.5 pounds... Each person is 100-200...

Also...practice. Bigger deal than some people realize... Make sure you know your shift points for your power curve.

[240TweakerNewbee]

where does everyone get this 2700lb number for the 240?I'm not going to write anything except; look at the metal plate on the inside of your drivers side door, mine looks like the picture below. Most honda's have this number beat by ALOT. Even a big sloppy GM car with a monster 7ltr V8 like the Corvette Z06 tips the scale at 300lbs lighter than the 240.Please tell me Im wrong about this, I would love to think my car weighs 776lbs less than the manufacturer stamp plate tells me it does.

[Red coupe]

I got the 2700 from rounding up after I put my car on a set of brand new set of corner weighing scales my school got last year....Other members have gotten similar from weighting at truck scales.So its not just me. I don't know why that says such a high number but maby it could be like underrating your cars HP or displacement to meet federal standards.

Here is the data I collected on my 91 base coupe with full interior, several heavy books, and plenty of other misc crap in the cabin.

LF:759 RF:769LR:624 RR:608Left: 1384-50.1%Front: 1529-55.4%Rear 1233-44.6%Cross 1393-50.4

[240TweakerNewbee]

did you do anything to lighten it? and what year is it? I'm not trying to rain on any parades here, I just want to make sure that stamp is wrong. I've seen that 2700 number get thrown around but I never believed it because of what that stamp says. I mean why is that stamp there? and why is it off by so much like you say it is?

[Red coupe]

sorry I just modified my post...No no weight savings done, and many other members have found apromatly the same weight when weighing theirs (other then the vert)

Perhaps the answere has something to do with with what GVWR stands for (I thought it was somethen like Gross Vehicle Weight) I dont have a metal one like you, but my sticker reads the same, I actualy had to go check it when you said that . strange. but it does weigh less.

[240TweakerNewbee]

Thanks for the encouraging words... I have to admit, most of the reason I started to modify this car (S14 SR20DET, Suspension, Intercooler...etc) was because of the possibilities for power to weigh ratios based on the 2700lb number that I kept finding everywhere. But a mechanic friend of mine pointed out that stamp plate and said "those 240's are heavy, even with an SR motor, don't be supprised if some non-turbo Honda walks all over you and makes you feel dumb because of the power to weight" <--his exact words. And he's the one that helped me put the motor in it.

My brother is a truck driver and he has access to a scale, I'm going to hit him up for use of it just for peace of mind on this issue. I do know one thing for sure... My SR14 powered S13 spanked the crap out of every honda in site today with the wife, kid, a big *** base box, and lots of other misc. crap inside.

[Red coupe]

lol yeah man if that number on your sticker were true :its a relatively light wieght car, could weigh less but not THAT bad.

[Gold Digger]

GVRW is based on what your car would weigh full loaded with people, a full tank of gas and assuming all your fluids were topped off and on the mark. When I had my 240 I had it scaled at one point and with me in the car it weighed 2675, and I was about 180lbs then, and there wasnt much left on the car that didnt need to be there. The interior was gutted completely, all non essential items under the hood were gone.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Quote »The maximum permissible loaded weight of the vehicle and takes into account the capabilities of the engine, transmission, frame, spring, brakes, axles and tires. The GVW must not exceed the GVWR.[/quote]It's not a measure of how much the car wieghs, it's a measure of how much the car CAN weigh and still be safe.

[Fenvy]

hello and welcome to reality, sr isn't all that godly

and that civic might have more than what he tells you. Think about this a bit: civic, swapped motor, motor has pistons? I say that it is a built motor, including cams, pistons, bore, hondata, short geared gsr transmission or itr transmission with swapped ls 5th gear.. who knows

oh yeah, the gsr has a short geared transmission, per my understanding, that's an advantage on accleration. It is also from what I remeber from honda tach that b16 transmission will bolt on to b18

[hek1620]

if u think a 240sx weighs 3476 lbs. ur way off

[mirra32]

i used a cat scale and tipped at 2400 LBS. on the dot...with half of tank...i've taken alot of **** out of my car....and i'm still not done..i'm dying to take it to the track just to see if my numbers will improve with those couple of hundred pounds i shaved......my car does feel alot better so maybe you can try stripping your car....my car is a 90 so i was not worried about resale value....i beat a prelude with minor bolt ons....and that was when i had my e motor....now i have a de......

[Sky240PWR]

whoops go down one!!

[Sky240PWR]

My last car was a Acura integra, I had that for three years. All I had done to it was intake ,exhaust,header, cold air, and it beat alot of cars!!!...I'm pretty good at launching off the line though!(I had suspention, light rims and a bodykit.......and yes it was rice.....but not tacky, no graghfix and it was all black).........I sold it to my little bro when I bought my 240 and he raced a few people that I used to always beat and they beat him so a good driver will go a long way!

[mirra32]

i agree USE THE FORCE

[240TweakerNewbee]

Could anyone stop shooting from the hip and tell me what the acronym GVRW actually stands for?

Im thinking Gross Vehicle Running Weight?

[Craig240]

Gross Vehicle Rated Weight"*GVRW (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating): When properly equipped, includes weight of vehicle, passengers, cargo and equipment."

[benemorius]

Gross Vehicle Rated Weight