Change?

[96Qowner]

I've been reading on other threads about this Change that Obama is going to bring us - about how McCain is too old to Change, and how Change is good, the country needs Change, etc, and I keep wondering ...

What Change?

How 'bout the Obama supporters tell us what Change they want? Y'all want Change - so what is it you want Changed? Please try to be specific. "I want to Change the way this country is run" does not qualify as a meaningful statement you understand - you should say WHAT it is you don't like and want Changed.

For instance, here's something I want Changed.

I want the Congress to stop their partisan do-nothing methods. We've been in a struggle between two core philosophies, and both Parties have been obstructing everything they can, while voting for even more pork for all their districts, making the size of government ever larger. I want less government spending and more compromises between Parties. And I want a President who has experience making such compromises, instead of a President who represents the extreme wing of his Party, like we have now.

[rn79870]

I want the Congress to stop their partisan do-nothing methods. We've been in a struggle between two core philosophies, and both Parties have been obstructing everything they can, while voting for even more pork for all their districts, making the size of government ever larger. I want less government spending and more compromises between Parties. And I want a President who has experience making such compromises, instead of a President who represents the extreme wing of his Party, like we have now.

Actually 96, that's a great question. What change does Obama offer that McCain does not bring to the country.I've listed a few areas where change would be welcome

I could cut and paste the information but that would create a post too long for anyone to read. If they are interested, here is Obama's position/ change on the issues. Yes, this is Obama's site, but who better to speak for Obama than Obama. Note: this is different than another thread that uses a candidates site as a smear agains the other candidate. Here, Obama is offering his position.

Immigration:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/

Fuel (energy)Prices:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

End of the War:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Health care for Americans.http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Tax relief for middle class Americahttp://www.barackobama.com/iss...elief

Homeownership and mortgage fraud.http://www.barackobama.com/iss...rship

Economic change:http://www.barackobama.com/iss...start

Social Security http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity/

National Defensehttp://www.barackobama.com/issues/defense/

[96Qowner]

Darn, already with the cut and paste opinions. I was really hoping someone had an opinion of their own about what they want Changed.

[rn79870]

I highlighted areas that I felt needed change. I did not include all of Obama's planed changes. I thought that posting a link was better than merely repeating Obama's plan.

If it were up to me, I'd leave Iraq up to Iraqi people. And we'd be bye-bye tomorrow, or else they would be paying for our services.I'd open Alaska and the off shore areas to unrestricted oil exploration.I'd require CARB type inspections for all vehicles in all states.I'd get bin Laden at any cost.I'd offer reasonably priced health care and allow a tax credit for the premiums.I'd build a fence around the country and require a background check for voluntary workers. - and give the voluntary workers the fast track to citizenship.I'd name the sewage treatment plant in SF after GW.

But then, we're not after the change I want, only the change we're offered from either of the candidates.

[AZhitman]

If it were up to me, I'd leave Iraq up to Iraqi people. And we'd be bye-bye tomorrow, or else they would be paying for our services.I'd open Alaska and the off shore areas to unrestricted oil exploration.I'd require CARB type inspections for all vehicles in all states.I'd get bin Laden at any cost.I'd offer reasonably priced health care and allow a tax credit for the premiums.I'd build a fence around the country and require a background check for voluntary workers. - and give the voluntary workers the fast track to citizenship.I'd name the sewage treatment plant in SF after GW.

But then, we're not after the change I want, only the change we're offered from either of the candidates.

Interestingly, despite what's on Obama's phoneyass website, you and he seem to disagree on how you'd implement "change"... At least in points 1-4 and possibly 6... 5 being either socialized medicine or a comlete dismantling of our healthcare system and 7 being an irrelevant (but LOLworthy) change.

You might be pulling a Brian here, Bobby.

[telcoman]

Darn, already with the cut and paste opinions. I was really hoping someone had an opinion of their own about what they want Changed.

Bob

Excellent post but you forgot the need to change the FCC

From news of the court of appeals ruling on the $500 million fine against CBS

Was anyone harmed by a 1/2 second of Janet Jacksons boob?

"But Tim Winter of the watchdog organization Parents Television Council said the decision "borders on judicial stupidity."

"If a striptease during the Super Bowl in front of 90 million people - including millions of children - doesn't fit the parameters of broadcast indecency, then what does?" Winter said."

What a loser that Tim Winter is! Those poor children. They must all have huge p0rn collections by now?

Boy that was some striptease for a whole 1/2 second.

The FCC had argued that Jackson's nudity, albeit fleeting, was graphic and explicit and CBS should have been forewarned.

Once Bush is gone Obama can get rid of his buddies at the FCC.

Telcoman

[rn79870]

Interestingly, despite what's on Obama's phoneyass website, you and he seem to disagree on how you'd implement "change"... At least in points 1-4 and possibly 6... 5 being either socialized medicine or a comlete dismantling of our healthcare system and 7 being an irrelevant (but LOLworthy) change.

Yes, I never said I backed a perfect candidate, only the one that comes closer to what I believe. If the "other guy" wanted any change, I would have looked at him.

You might be pulling a Brian here, Bobby.

So, It's coming down to this now is it?

[AZhitman]

If the "other guy" wanted any change, I would have looked at him.

So, It's coming down to this now is it?

I think time will have to pass before we hear the full, unedited scope of how much J-Mac disagrees with the GWB administration... Obviously, he's got to tread cautiously so as not to alienate the "party-first" boobs. But he clearly wants to distance himself from the failed policies of the current administration... Time will tell if he starts to let his disgruntled-ness show.

Yes, we're all waiting for your big announcement.

"If I can change, and you can change, we all can change..." [/lame Rocky quote]

[rn79870]

I think time will have to pass before we hear the full, unedited scope of how much J-Mac disagrees with the GWB administration... Obviously, he's got to tread cautiously so as not to alienate the "party-first" boobs. But he clearly wants to distance himself from the failed policies of the current administration... Time will tell if he starts to let his disgruntled-ness show.

Yes, we're all waiting for your big announcement.

"If I can change, and you can change, we all can change..." [/lame Rocky quote]

And that would really help. He's seen as another GW in far too many ways. I suppose it's pretty hard for him, being a Rep., to stand up and talk about the failure of GW's administration, but that's what is necessary. That's what the "Change" thing is all about. He really should consider doing just that before he's any further behind.

[HashiriyaS14]

I'd require CARB type inspections for all vehicles in all states.

Thank goodness it's not you that's running for President then, lol.

Outside of CA and major metro areas, this type of legislation isn't needed. We just need to funnel the money that would go into enforcing this into research for and subsidies on electric vehicles.

CARB sucks.

[AZhitman]

And that would really help. He's seen as another GW in far too many ways. I suppose it's pretty hard for him, being a Rep., to stand up and talk about the failure of GW's administration, but that's what is necessary. That's what the "Change" thing is all about. He really should consider doing just that before he's any further behind.

Agreed.

Notice BO hasn't come out and thrown his DNC detractors under the bus. He needs them. It's just politics.

[Encryptshun]

My addition to the "change" question (not an Obama supporter but will still chime in):

I would federally limit civil damage payouts to a functional and sane per-capita amount (so as to not limit total settlements on class-action suits).

I would federally implement a "loser pays" policy for all civil proceedings where monetary damages are sought and the basis for the suit deemed "frivolous".

I would then champion the organization and mass publication of clear, concise, and transparent P&L statements for all insurance companies dealing with personal liability, corporate liability, and personal injury claims as well as pharamaceutical companies and their distributors so the public can be informed rather than frightened.

I would repeal the carte-blanche "natural born" citizenship right as it applies to children of illegal immigrants.

I would require the forced temporary sterilization of anyone receiving any form of public assistance, which would be reversed upon the individual being removed from the program.

I would increase criminal penalties for white-collar crimes (embezzlement, fraud, insider trading) while reforming and further defining the laws governing those crimes.

I would create a body of independent scientists whose sole job is to do a 360 valuation of new "green" energy sources. Practical and market-ready solutions would be given start-up tax credits to offset the first year of operations.

Provide tax credits to utility companies for upgrading nuclear fission facilities to the latest standard.

I would provide tax credits to expand and update our rail network, including a TGV-style high-speed rail system connecting the major cities on the east and west coasts.

Decrease federal income tax by 1% and impose a new 1% federal sales tax.

[96Qowner]

Is Bob the only Obama supporter who has any idea what he wants Changed???

That's rather ... shocking.

Unless .... Bob is Obama's only supporter here?

[rn79870]

I guess we'll find out in November.

[skylndrftr]

I think time will have to pass before we hear the full, unedited scope of how much J-Mac disagrees with the GWB administration... Obviously, he's got to tread cautiously so as not to alienate the "party-first" boobs. But he clearly wants to distance himself from the failed policies of the current administration... Time will tell if he starts to let his disgruntled-ness show.

see thats why I get so upset about the Obama bashing. He and McCain have changed basically all of their positions to fit whatever will get them elected, like you said its politics. I could probably put together a list as long as my ...arm... of both of them saying things that could be construed as 'lies' either in or out of context.

I am not really thrilled with Obama as a candidate (I voted Kucinich...UFOS FTW ), but from his personal record and his life experiences I think he will be a more progressive voice to help the people in this country who need it. I think most of the policies where McCain DOES agree with the party line are things I think are backwards and only help those who don't need it. I think his recognition of the need FOR change is important. I abhor this idea that any criticism of the country is somehow a bad thing. As I remember, it wasn't 8 years ago and this hyper-patriotic BS which McCain subscribes to is important.

So that is what I want changed in this coutnry. This mindset that moves us closer and closer to ultranationalist bull**** each and every day. Change that moves us away from spending money on the 'defense' budget to simply create profits for political cronies.