Cash for guzzlers, your opinions?

[Qxxx4]

pre-R50's easily qualify for this and sooner or later, our beloved R50's could succome to the pressure of this. I know its only in the US now but its very intriguing in a bad way....

I think its DUMB. They destroy the engine by running a solvent through it, then apparently part out the rest of the car....

So basically, these greenheads think their saving the environment, but now we have cars going to waste, wasted material, then all the resources and pollution involved in making the new cars. These hippies are one track minded, just look at the hybrid and their logic behind it, yet it has a larger pollution footprint than a hummer, mining the nickel for the batteries in one continent shipping to japan, then shipping the car back to the continent...real smart.

as cartman would say...SCREW YOU HIPPIES!

makes me wanna go out and get a v12 that runs rich and drive in front of every prius i see, with a huge grin on my face.

[exvin]

stupid ugly prius..god could it be more ugly!!!

Plus the maintenance cost on these "hybrids" are horrendous!!

There are more reliable ways for energy - umm..SOLAR, WIND but governments dont want to hear it cus petroleum companies will lose..big time

Cept the Altima Hybrid, I think its purty

[bmlawless]

My number one complaint is the 25-year age cap on the vehicle. If you really wanted to save the planet, you'd want the 72 Maverick that gets 11 miles to the gallon with no emissions controls and worn seals off the street.

[sicwitit]

this is going to sound kind of ghey on my part, but the only ford I'd consider buying is (if they bring it here) the 2010 Fiesta Hatch. I had a 07 in Germany and I got to say, it was not the normal ford I knew from the states. before driving it I'd not be caught dead in any ford other then a GT40, saleen or Escort Cosworth. If they do bring it here, and most importantly leave the european tuned suspension on, I'd buy one for a daily car in a heartbeat. I've owned many cars, mostly sports cars, and at the time I drove a turbo MR2, and I had more fun in that stupid little ford. so if they bring them, and like I say if they leave the euro susp installed, I'd urge you all to go test drive one, and take a few corners. you might get more then you'd ever thought you would......oh that is if they don't bring the Fiat 500 here first!!
Modified by sicwitit at 4:36 PM 8/7/2009

[fueler]

the only ford I'd consider buying is (if they bring it here) the 2010 Fiesta Hatch.

I just spent tha last 3 days helping put a 1.8L GSR engine (fully built, Alaniz head, total build $5000) into a 1990 Ford Festiva (which already had a B-series engine in there before so all the custom fab was already complete) We fired it up, running like a champ Buddy (new owner) takes it for a spin... takes it to the top of second gear (60+) and something locked up on the right side... slams into a parked chevy glasshouse at 65 total loss, police took the festiva cause no insurance. Buddys head broke the windshield (Festivas had lap belts only, and it doesnt help that the festiva didnt have seats in it and he was sitting on a bucket

[sicwitit]

sounds like someone was too excited about their projects first start up. I know how easy it is to overlook all the fine details when building a project like that.

anyway back on the subject, I just looked up the 2011 Festiva, it looks like it will be coming to america. I guess I need to set aside 10K

[bmlawless]

Where did you see the price?

[KyooX4]

Back on topic...

Cash for clunkers is a waste of taxpayer money and a waste of resources. Very few parts from these vehicles being traded in are being recycled or reused. And why just the auto market? Why not energy efficient refrigerators, lawn mowers, or boats? It's not even effective at reducing much pollution.Here's a good read:http://www.foxnews.com/politic...small/


Modified by KyooX4 at 8:17 PM 8/7/2009

[Johnsonsrt10]

I agree with you Qxxx4, all this program does is bail out the auto makers in a different way, and if the economy is in such a crap hole, who is going to make these payments on a new car? sounds like i need to quit my job in a few months and get in the repo business! any one with me?

[screwinitupagain]

My wife & I thought about this. There is an '86 automatic V8 Mercury Grand Marquis at my parents neighbors house that we could get for $400, so we thought hey we'll buy that, becuase it qualifies, take it to a Kia dealership (cause they have the cheapest new cars) & get her a new car. We had looked at Rio's about 6 months ago (before all of the cash-for-gas-guzzlers started) & they were about $11,000 new, with power windows & doors & what not. Now they are priced at $16000 & thats for the ones with manual door locks & crank windows (you mean to tell me that you'll put 8 f*ckin airbags in the this thing but I still have to roll down the window like I'm in a Grey Poupon commercial?). These dealerships are saying yeah on top of the goverments $4500 we'll throw in $4000 in rebates as well, but they are all hiking up the prices on the top end. We also looked at Nissans & Hondas but those dealerships are doing the same sh*t too. I just assume go out & buy me a '74 Dodge Charger with a bigblock 440 stroke it, strip it down & run it like hell with my 8 mpg. F*ck this green movement & all these f*ckin hippies! They want me to change my lifestyle & the way I live when I can't hardly pay my bills but they want to stay high & dry in their 4 & 5 million dollar homes spending twice as much in electricity a year than I do on rent in a year. Oh we got ours but your poor & going to school so you can have yours, you've got to make sacriffices for the enviorment. The day I want other people, especially rich douchbag hippies that feel guilty about having money & a goverment that spends too much & doesn't care about the actual people that live that country, will be the day I have a tag on my toe!

[Qxxx4]

all very good points, but f***initupagains made my night

[sicwitit]

ok, I'll stay on topic. This idea is Deh Deh Dehhhhh!!! how about using that money for something more beneficial to everyone, like wind or thermal energy. use the money to build more towers to collect energy, then we can produce more clean electricity, then guess what, it gives the builders jobs, the companies who build the parts more profit, the stock holders greater yeld, and cheaper energy for the little man since it would be more plentiful. We had this discussion the other day at work, car companies are jacking up prices, and what happens when these people can't afford their new car payments? I think I'll take up a position with Fukintiupagain as long as he can get me on a day shift!!

[Turbogst]

You have to own the car for a year or two, you can't just go buy a pos and trade it in.

[sicwitit]

My mom bought her car brand new in 1987, its a Lincoln Town Car. I'm amazed the thing still runs and looks as good as it does, it only has about 49K miles on it and not a chip or scratch in the paint. KBB last year valued it at $850! now is the time I guess to take advantage of uncle sam. I think I should convince her to order/buy a Fiesta, 5spd, turbo to replace it with!!

[xru5tyx]

My wife & I thought about this. There is an '86 automatic V8 Mercury Grand Marquis at my parents neighbors house that we could get for $400, so we thought hey we'll buy that, becuase it qualifies, take it to a Kia dealership (cause they have the cheapest new cars) & get her a new car. We had looked at Rio's about 6 months ago (before all of the cash-for-gas-guzzlers started) & they were about $11,000 new, with power windows & doors & what not. Now they are priced at $16000 & thats for the ones with manual door locks & crank windows (you mean to tell me that you'll put 8 f*ckin airbags in the this thing but I still have to roll down the window like I'm in a Grey Poupon commercial?). These dealerships are saying yeah on top of the goverments $4500 we'll throw in $4000 in rebates as well, but they are all hiking up the prices on the top end. We also looked at Nissans & Hondas but those dealerships are doing the same sh*t too. I just assume go out & buy me a '74 Dodge Charger with a bigblock 440 stroke it, strip it down & run it like hell with my 8 mpg. F*ck this green movement & all these f*ckin hippies! They want me to change my lifestyle & the way I live when I can't hardly pay my bills but they want to stay high & dry in their 4 & 5 million dollar homes spending twice as much in electricity a year than I do on rent in a year. Oh we got ours but your poor & going to school so you can have yours, you've got to make sacriffices for the enviorment. The day I want other people, especially rich douchbag hippies that feel guilty about having money & a goverment that spends too much & doesn't care about the actual people that live that country, will be the day I have a tag on my toe!

1. you have to have the car registered and insured for a year, they thought about people that buy s*** cars just to get the money.

2. a versa starts at $9950.

3. i care about the environment, and im f***ing poor, quit generalizing, just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to have your head up your a**, theres rich people out there driving hummers(so 2 years ago) and they dont give a f*** about the envirionment

[screwinitupagain]

1. you have to have the car registered and insured for a year, they thought about people that buy s*** cars just to get the money.

If this government were really trying to do some good they wouldn't worry about that, they would just be happy to have the gas guzzlers out of commission. I've already paid for that $4500 in tax dollars that were stolen at the point of a gun & I can't even denefit from it.

2. a versa starts at $9950.

The 3 dealerships we went to here in NC said they weren't getting any more '09's & wouldn't be getting any '10's until late November... how convenient. I saw a commercial today claiming that the '10 Forte "starts at only $12995", but we looked at a base model '10 Forte yesterday that had manual window cranks, manual locks, manual transmission, no sunroof, no nothing & it was listed at $16999. So tell me xru5yadyadyada, since you seem to have all of the answers, is that $12995 before the luxury items like power steering, power brakes & having all 4 wheels on it?

theres rich people out there driving hummers(so 2 years ago) and they dont give a f*** about the envirionment

Those rich a$$*les in the H2's are the same ones telling me to care for the enviorment. Those are the same jacktards I'm talking about. Pay attention.

3. i care about the environment, and im f***ing poor, quit generalizing, just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to have your head up your a**

Oh & by the way, I could give a f*ck if you're poor, I only care about if my wife & I are poor. Everyone else can fend for themsleves! I'm not trying to save the world, only ourselves...

[Turbogst]

[QUOTE=fukinitupagain]If this government were really trying to do some good they wouldn't worry about that, they would just be happy to have the gas guzzlers out of commission. I've already paid for that $4500 in tax dollars that were stolen at the point of a gun & I can't even denefit from it.

LOL remember when they gave all that money to the banks, and they have no idea what the banks spent it on?

Me and a friend did the math on it. they could have gave every working person in the us over 1 million dollars, lol a lot over a mil.

Now to me this sounds good, when you get the money its going to be taxed so they get some back from the start.. Now if your going to loose your house or car, your going to pay it off...

and with that much money people are just going to buy stuff spending more on taxes.. But they gave it to a bank who gave out big bonuses when they were about to go out of business.

My friend this county is going to s***!

[exvin]

Turbogst, would you partake in the program?? Lets say with your current vehicle if the program does change to admit all different vehicle years

[screwinitupagain]

Their online calculator said my '97 R50 would qualify but why would I trade in a vehicle that runs great & has no car payment for a car that I'd have to start paying $280-300 a month for? Yeah my car only gets 16 mpg & I could purchase a vehicle that gets 25 mpg but $300 a month is a lot of gas that I could buy & the the difference in mpg wouldn't pay off for another 8 years (including the cost of car payments & having to keep full coverage insurrance while I'm making payments). If they would accept my wife's '94 4 cylinder Sentra (only running with 3 right now though) that has no AC, with the front right axle shaft bent, with the automatic transmission slipping, with the drivers side door doesn't shut all the way, that dies around right corners & that the frame is rusting out, not to mention the body, then yeah I might be for cash for real clunkers. They said they couldn't accept it because when it was new in '94 it got 25 mpg (it only gets 16-17 mpg right now) but if it still looked & ran like it did when it was new we wouldn't be looking to get rid of it. Thats logic.

[Turbogst]

I would not my pathfinder is worth more than the money there trying to give out.. and the zo6 is good on gas. If I had a older car that was on its last leg i would trade it in.. you have to look and see what the value of the car your trading in is.