So, perhaps seeing "I, Robot" tonight is influencing me, but so did the thread about the random smog test.
The golden age of the automobile is right now, and by the time I'm about ready to retire (I'm 22 now) cars will be nothing but automated capsules set to autopilot.
They will no longer make lusty, throaty sounds. They will no longer be user serviceable. And they'll be fairly disposable. Learning how to drive won't be necessary, the way the automatic transmission has made it unnecessary to learn to drive a manual. And with electric engines taking over and traffic growing, the horsepower wars will end. They will become appliances, and nothing more. Those of us seeking thrills will have to take up snowboarding or something.
-Jesda
Cars of the Future (Will SUCK)
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I`ll still find a way to disable the autopilot crap and jack up the amps on the electric motor:mad:
I remember whaen I was looking at the new "skyline"(I use quotes because I do not consider it a real Skyline) I noticed there was no throttle cable. I pointed it out to the dealer and he proudly explained it was throttle-by-wire, the computer modulated the throttle plate using pedal potentiometer imput an preprograme maps or some such foolishnes. I looked at my buddy and said "whaddaya think, Q45 throttlebody, a bike brake cable and a drill"? The dealer was shocked. Look fool I drive the friggin car, if I want everything done for me I`ll ride in the pasenger seat like the ***** I would have to be to desire that.The car manufacterers can suck it, If I have sink an oil well in my back yard, refine my own fuel and manufacture my own repair parts for my Skylines I will do that.My co-worker is all excited about buying one of those new hybrid cars, what a goof.:rolleyes
I remember whaen I was looking at the new "skyline"(I use quotes because I do not consider it a real Skyline) I noticed there was no throttle cable. I pointed it out to the dealer and he proudly explained it was throttle-by-wire, the computer modulated the throttle plate using pedal potentiometer imput an preprograme maps or some such foolishnes. I looked at my buddy and said "whaddaya think, Q45 throttlebody, a bike brake cable and a drill"? The dealer was shocked. Look fool I drive the friggin car, if I want everything done for me I`ll ride in the pasenger seat like the ***** I would have to be to desire that.The car manufacterers can suck it, If I have sink an oil well in my back yard, refine my own fuel and manufacture my own repair parts for my Skylines I will do that.My co-worker is all excited about buying one of those new hybrid cars, what a goof.:rolleyes
themadscientist wrote:I`ll still find a way to disable the autopilot crap and jack up the amps on the electric motor:mad:
I remember whaen I was looking at the new "skyline"(I use quotes because I do not consider it a real Skyline) I noticed there was no throttle cable. I pointed it out to the dealer and he proudly explained it was throttle-by-wire, the computer modulated the throttle plate using pedal potentiometer imput an preprograme maps or some such foolishnes. I looked at my buddy and said "whaddaya think, Q45 throttlebody, a bike brake cable and a drill"? The dealer was shocked. Look fool I drive the friggin car, if I want everything done for me I`ll ride in the pasenger seat like the ***** I would have to be to desire that.The car manufacterers can suck it, If I have sink an oil well in my back yard, refine my own fuel and manufacture my own repair parts for my Skylines I will do that.My co-worker is all excited about buying one of those new hybrid cars, what a goof.:rolleyes
don't take electric cars to lightly. There is one out thats faster then most 50K+ gas sports cars.
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CherryPoppinQ45 wrote:OMFG check this site outPee-Wee sound clips These are classic!!I want to see this movie now!!
LMFAO. Pee wee's big adventure that movie was... ummm interesting :pface
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Re: Cars of the Future (Will SUCK)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jesda "]So, perhaps seeing "I, Robot" tonight is influencing me, but so did the thread about the random smog test.
The golden age of the automobile is right now, and by the time I'm about ready to retire (I'm 22 now) cars will be nothing but automated capsules set to autopilot."
Geez, you surprised me how you were influenced, my Republican friend. (Bush-Cheney window sticker) Might want to buy your drool cup, cane and order that AARP card now. I assume when you're ready to retire, your passion for fun and cars will whither to nothing. That ain't the case with me. Listen, auto manufacturers will always build cars that people want to buy. If enough people want to buy "fun" cars, there will be manufacturers around to build them.
"They will no longer make lusty, throaty sounds".
Disagree. As long as there are young people around that want their cars to sound like loud farts when they hit the go pedal, there will be companies around to make aftermarket products that will make that sound.
"They will no longer be user serviceable".
It's going that direction now, 100K mile tuneups, traction control, airbags, ABS, AWD in cheap cars. Cars have become much more complicated in the last 20 years. I guess it makes being a mechanic an increasingly more complex and important profession. Not that it was ever an unimportant profession before.
"And they'll be fairly disposable".
Only if the cost of a new automobile plummets. Not going to happen any time soon. Cars are getting more expensive if you haven't noticed. Unless your last name is Gates, new automobiles ain't disposable. Though you can be sure cars will made with more and more recyclable parts. I guess in that respect they're disposable.
"Learning how to drive won't be necessary, the way the automatic transmission has made it unnecessary to learn to drive a manual".
Majority of the new cars sold now are automatics. Auto-makers are only building what customers will buy. Americans have become very lazy in their driving habits. But as long as there ofenough of enthusiasts around, like me, that will only buy a car with manual transmission, manufactuers will continue to build them. FYI, most Q45's are sold with automatics.
"And with electric engines taking over and traffic growing, the horsepower wars will end. "
At the end of the muscle car era, and when gas prices first skyrocketted, there were a group of naysayers that preached that performance was doomed (sound familiar?). Then here comes some innovative tuner guys with little Japanese cars that made them not only as quick as the old Detroit pigiron muscle cars, but they handle bettter, get better fuel mileage and are more relieable. Amazing, ain't it. IMHO we're in for another vehicle renaissance. Hybrids vehicle performance will improve drastically in the near future as well as affordability. And when those cars become more plentiful and affordable, there will be tuners looking to improve them into performance monsters. And then there will be people that will want to race them on the same racetracks that are out there now.
"They will become appliances, and nothing more".
They become appliances when you consider them appliances.
"Those of us seeking thrills will have to take up snowboarding or something."
think about that for a moment. 60 years from now, if you find yourself with the need for thrills, do you really think you going toto snowboard or motocross, which require being in good shape and takes a lot of energy, or are you more likely to get into a comfortable sports car and take some hot laps. Ask a senior citizen that question. Remember you don't see a whole lotta 80 year old snowboarders or motorcross riders, But you do see plenty of older guys driving sports cars. And FYI, kids have always bought old cheap cars, did weird stuff to them and sought thrills. What makes you think a few decades that's gonna change. They might end up adding silly wings and fart mufflers to hybrid vehicles, but I don't see a huge change coming to a society that loves its automobiles.
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The golden age of the automobile is right now, and by the time I'm about ready to retire (I'm 22 now) cars will be nothing but automated capsules set to autopilot."
Geez, you surprised me how you were influenced, my Republican friend. (Bush-Cheney window sticker) Might want to buy your drool cup, cane and order that AARP card now. I assume when you're ready to retire, your passion for fun and cars will whither to nothing. That ain't the case with me. Listen, auto manufacturers will always build cars that people want to buy. If enough people want to buy "fun" cars, there will be manufacturers around to build them.
"They will no longer make lusty, throaty sounds".
Disagree. As long as there are young people around that want their cars to sound like loud farts when they hit the go pedal, there will be companies around to make aftermarket products that will make that sound.
"They will no longer be user serviceable".
It's going that direction now, 100K mile tuneups, traction control, airbags, ABS, AWD in cheap cars. Cars have become much more complicated in the last 20 years. I guess it makes being a mechanic an increasingly more complex and important profession. Not that it was ever an unimportant profession before.
"And they'll be fairly disposable".
Only if the cost of a new automobile plummets. Not going to happen any time soon. Cars are getting more expensive if you haven't noticed. Unless your last name is Gates, new automobiles ain't disposable. Though you can be sure cars will made with more and more recyclable parts. I guess in that respect they're disposable.
"Learning how to drive won't be necessary, the way the automatic transmission has made it unnecessary to learn to drive a manual".
Majority of the new cars sold now are automatics. Auto-makers are only building what customers will buy. Americans have become very lazy in their driving habits. But as long as there ofenough of enthusiasts around, like me, that will only buy a car with manual transmission, manufactuers will continue to build them. FYI, most Q45's are sold with automatics.
"And with electric engines taking over and traffic growing, the horsepower wars will end. "
At the end of the muscle car era, and when gas prices first skyrocketted, there were a group of naysayers that preached that performance was doomed (sound familiar?). Then here comes some innovative tuner guys with little Japanese cars that made them not only as quick as the old Detroit pigiron muscle cars, but they handle bettter, get better fuel mileage and are more relieable. Amazing, ain't it. IMHO we're in for another vehicle renaissance. Hybrids vehicle performance will improve drastically in the near future as well as affordability. And when those cars become more plentiful and affordable, there will be tuners looking to improve them into performance monsters. And then there will be people that will want to race them on the same racetracks that are out there now.
"They will become appliances, and nothing more".
They become appliances when you consider them appliances.
"Those of us seeking thrills will have to take up snowboarding or something."
think about that for a moment. 60 years from now, if you find yourself with the need for thrills, do you really think you going toto snowboard or motocross, which require being in good shape and takes a lot of energy, or are you more likely to get into a comfortable sports car and take some hot laps. Ask a senior citizen that question. Remember you don't see a whole lotta 80 year old snowboarders or motorcross riders, But you do see plenty of older guys driving sports cars. And FYI, kids have always bought old cheap cars, did weird stuff to them and sought thrills. What makes you think a few decades that's gonna change. They might end up adding silly wings and fart mufflers to hybrid vehicles, but I don't see a huge change coming to a society that loves its automobiles.
Vote early and often.
you do know how electric motors work, right wing? those cars may be able to out accerlerate many high powered cars, but their top end wont be as great. when it comes to electric motors, you have to sacrefice top end for low end, and visa versa, just like cars now. the more windings, the more torque, but your top end is lower. and the fewer the windings, the lower the torque, but the higher the motor can rev up so you get a better top end. now, what they SHOULD do is have two motors. 1 is wound low and 1 is wound high so they can trade off.
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When did politics have anything to do with this thread? And as a point of clarification: I'm a libertarian in philosophy, Republican and Libertarian at the ballot (pro choice on gamb|ing, abortion, gay marriage, in support of embryo stem cell research, and in support of drug legalization and opposition to certain lines of the Patriot Act).
Now... stupid, silly, riduclous, asinine Republican stereotypes aside... lets get back to talking about cars, shall we?
I'm looking forward here and seeing myself at 75 or 80 years old, and the new cars on the road will be silent and soulless. Sure, they'll be quick, but the process of getting up to speed won't be the thrill it is now.
You can make a Sentra outhandle, outbrake, and outrun a Dodge Charger -- but its just not the same. People are willing to pay a premium for old muscle cars because the -sensations- are different, and arguably better.
The sounds will be gone, the emotion will be gone, the fun will be secondary, despite how fast or efficient automobiles become. That was my point.
And while all Q45s are sold with automatics, I can appreciate a manual having owned a few in the past. I can also appreciate a free-breathing V8, being the owner of one right now. When new cars replace a throaty yet musical growl with a wheezing purr, it will be a sad day.
Also consider government regulation as a factor in all of this. The great majority will force the few (those of us who love our cars) so submit to their whims in the name of pragmatism, resource management, and safety. Its already happening in heavily populated areas. This all may or may not be better for the world, and I cannot say if these laws are sealing up the hole in the atmosphere or saving many lives, but we should enjoy what we have while we have it.
(Side note: Pee Wee's Big Adventure was AWESOME)
-Jesda
Now... stupid, silly, riduclous, asinine Republican stereotypes aside... lets get back to talking about cars, shall we?
I'm looking forward here and seeing myself at 75 or 80 years old, and the new cars on the road will be silent and soulless. Sure, they'll be quick, but the process of getting up to speed won't be the thrill it is now.
You can make a Sentra outhandle, outbrake, and outrun a Dodge Charger -- but its just not the same. People are willing to pay a premium for old muscle cars because the -sensations- are different, and arguably better.
The sounds will be gone, the emotion will be gone, the fun will be secondary, despite how fast or efficient automobiles become. That was my point.
And while all Q45s are sold with automatics, I can appreciate a manual having owned a few in the past. I can also appreciate a free-breathing V8, being the owner of one right now. When new cars replace a throaty yet musical growl with a wheezing purr, it will be a sad day.
Also consider government regulation as a factor in all of this. The great majority will force the few (those of us who love our cars) so submit to their whims in the name of pragmatism, resource management, and safety. Its already happening in heavily populated areas. This all may or may not be better for the world, and I cannot say if these laws are sealing up the hole in the atmosphere or saving many lives, but we should enjoy what we have while we have it.
(Side note: Pee Wee's Big Adventure was AWESOME)
-Jesda
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Jesda, If you re-read my response, you'll quickly notice I did not make this a political thread, I made counter points about cars.
I guess I should remind you that you're the one who posted the Bush-Cheney sticker under your thread, not me. If you don't want jabs about political stickers on your car, here's a subtle hint....DON"T POST A PICTURE OF IT. I also don't recall ever asking you to for a detailed lisiting of all your political views. You did that on your own. Let's keep this about cars, shall we?
Back to the topic. I'm not sure why see yourself at 70-80 as a feeble broken down old man. At 22, your life expectancy is far longer than older guys like me. My father drove a sports car well into his 70's. Age did not diminish his enjoyment of sports cars. It's your choice to drive a big quiet luxo-barge with an automatic transmission. Fortunately, not everyone is like you. There are a lot of thousands and thousands of people that enjoy owning sports cars with manual transmissions. And car Manufacturers will continue to build fun sports cars with manual transmissions because those many people (like me) are willing to pay to get them. I fully expect that there will be a 100th anniversery Corvette. In fact, in 30 years, I personally expect to be still driving a sports car, perhaps a Nissan if they still offer a good sports car. Cars are not going disappear during your or my lifetime. How many of them will be powered will certainly change over the next few decades. I don't think there's a question about that, as the world's supply of oil is finite. Oil/gas is destined to become more expensive, so it makes sense to explore alternatives. That doesn't mean they are necessarily going to be any less fun. Think of it as the glass is half full instead of empty. Life is much better that way
My point was NOT simply that you can improve a Sentra to beat an old muscle car. My point was that even if manufacturers build silent boring cars as you believe (I'm sure there will be one waiting for you when you hit 70), there are still going to be plenty of talented, creative and motivated people that want to improve them, which includes making them noisier, faster and adding some pizazz. The passion for cars has not diminished over the last century. And there is no reason to believe that passion is going away just because you saw a fictional sci-fi movie that featured a futuristic car you didn't like. And the government regulation you just brought up just makes cars more complex, not less fun.
Regards.
I guess I should remind you that you're the one who posted the Bush-Cheney sticker under your thread, not me. If you don't want jabs about political stickers on your car, here's a subtle hint....DON"T POST A PICTURE OF IT. I also don't recall ever asking you to for a detailed lisiting of all your political views. You did that on your own. Let's keep this about cars, shall we?
Back to the topic. I'm not sure why see yourself at 70-80 as a feeble broken down old man. At 22, your life expectancy is far longer than older guys like me. My father drove a sports car well into his 70's. Age did not diminish his enjoyment of sports cars. It's your choice to drive a big quiet luxo-barge with an automatic transmission. Fortunately, not everyone is like you. There are a lot of thousands and thousands of people that enjoy owning sports cars with manual transmissions. And car Manufacturers will continue to build fun sports cars with manual transmissions because those many people (like me) are willing to pay to get them. I fully expect that there will be a 100th anniversery Corvette. In fact, in 30 years, I personally expect to be still driving a sports car, perhaps a Nissan if they still offer a good sports car. Cars are not going disappear during your or my lifetime. How many of them will be powered will certainly change over the next few decades. I don't think there's a question about that, as the world's supply of oil is finite. Oil/gas is destined to become more expensive, so it makes sense to explore alternatives. That doesn't mean they are necessarily going to be any less fun. Think of it as the glass is half full instead of empty. Life is much better that way
My point was NOT simply that you can improve a Sentra to beat an old muscle car. My point was that even if manufacturers build silent boring cars as you believe (I'm sure there will be one waiting for you when you hit 70), there are still going to be plenty of talented, creative and motivated people that want to improve them, which includes making them noisier, faster and adding some pizazz. The passion for cars has not diminished over the last century. And there is no reason to believe that passion is going away just because you saw a fictional sci-fi movie that featured a futuristic car you didn't like. And the government regulation you just brought up just makes cars more complex, not less fun.
Regards.
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I dunno I think I'd drive the Volta, it's apparently been greenlighted.
http://www.glossynews.com/artm...shtml
0-60 in a little over 4 seconds and 30mpg sounds good to me!
http://www.glossynews.com/artm...shtml
0-60 in a little over 4 seconds and 30mpg sounds good to me!
I don't appreciate your subtle condescending jabs at me or my vehicle of choice.
Note also that I never at any point said I was looking forward "TO" having a personalized electric monorail tailored for the elderly. I said I was looking forward "and seeing" what the market would make available to us. You make it sound as if I said that by turning 70, I would want for manufacturer's to provide me with something dull and lifeless. That is clearly not what I said. And you have obvious, glaring misconceptions about the Q45.
Despite all that nonsense, I hope youre right about cars still retaining their character 50-100 years from now.
-Jesda
Note also that I never at any point said I was looking forward "TO" having a personalized electric monorail tailored for the elderly. I said I was looking forward "and seeing" what the market would make available to us. You make it sound as if I said that by turning 70, I would want for manufacturer's to provide me with something dull and lifeless. That is clearly not what I said. And you have obvious, glaring misconceptions about the Q45.
Despite all that nonsense, I hope youre right about cars still retaining their character 50-100 years from now.
-Jesda
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I don't have any misconceptions about the Q45. I've actually driven one. It's a fine automobile. I used your type of car to illustrate my points for three reasons (1) it's not a sports car,(2) it s a full sized luxury car available only with an automatic transmission, and 3) I believe the car in the movie happened to be a luxury car too,(Audi I believe) so you seemed to be bemoaning the future of the aame type of car you own now. Seemed ironic. I'm sorry if I offended, but you can't put out a pessimistic opening thread like that and not expect someone to disagree. Likewise you can't display a political ad on your signature and expect everyone to not only support it but get annoyed at those that tease you mildly about it.
For the record I have owned luxury cars that were also available with only automatic transmissions. I happen to like luxury cars and miss them terribly every time I'm on a long drive.
Enjoy the ride
For the record I have owned luxury cars that were also available with only automatic transmissions. I happen to like luxury cars and miss them terribly every time I'm on a long drive.
Enjoy the ride