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2011 NICOFEST Carlisle, PA: autocross times by car number

Postby Bubba1 » Fri May 20, 2011 5:56 am

Hey gang, the nice folks at SCCA just gave me the lap times. The numbers you saw on the truck were individual lap times. Posted below are the official best 2 lap runs by car number from standing start to finish.

CAR # BEST TIME
132/133 57.033 James Horne - RX8 (congrats!!)
666 59.159 Jeremy Rohrs - GT-R
14 59.542
84 60.535
13 60.784
97 61.298 Torry Skurski - Sentra Spec V
09 61.451
06 62.161
11 62.438
123 63.117
18 63.271
370 63.577
12 63.705
369 64.136
28 64.261
01 64.865
15 65.455
130 65.573
35 65.767
24 66.662
55 66.684
31 67.332
187 67.618
52 67.690
25 67.874
17 67.925
7 68.096
27 68.879
50 68.912
51 69.499
20 69.707
47 69.814
04 70.164
98 70.892
23 71.474
48 71.636
10 73.030
03 73.757 off course
39 75.083
36 75.337
08 75.620
30 76.411
19 80.119
43 86.158
99 91.106
37 91.972
46 92.361
49 102.961

Some additional info. James Horne also turned in the single fastest lap (28 seconds). And in the Golfcart vs runner (DJButton), one lap texas death match shootoff, the runner beat the cart (driven by yours truly) by 4+ seconds.

Great job everyone, and many thanks to the Susquehanna chapter of the SCCA for their help!!!


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Postby EZcheese15 » Fri May 20, 2011 6:30 am

Sweet, I got the 6th fastest time and I was driving a car I'd never been in before. And I only did one timed run! :)

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Postby snowborder714 » Fri May 20, 2011 7:09 am

Thanks Joel! And thanks to Susquehanna SCCA for helping out. It was really cool to have actual timing equipment this year :dblthumb:

And those are some fast times, James - congrats! I feel I need to get some R comps to keep up with you next year. I'll be coming for you!

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Postby Repo Man » Fri May 20, 2011 10:17 am

LOL, I was 16th (01) in my new 240 that I just bought, seat back in a WAY reclined position and running on snow tires! I'm bringing some damn R-comps next year too. By then I'll know the car, have the right tires and a seat that will actually hold me in place. :gapteeth:

Thanks again for all your hard work Joel. We all appreciate the effort you put in and can't wait to do it again next year!

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Postby Heavy » Fri May 20, 2011 1:37 pm

13th, not bad for a heavy sedan and a heavy driver

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Postby Antihero » Sat May 21, 2011 9:23 am

Sweet I came in 4th! Not bad for an untuned Catless 150K WRX on stock suspension....


......who came in 3rd?

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Postby Bubba1 » Sun May 22, 2011 4:00 am

Antihero wrote:Sweet I came in 4th! Not bad for an untuned Catless 150K WRX on stock suspension....


......who came in 3rd?
Snowborder714 in the Eclipse took 3rd.

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Postby One Finger » Sun May 22, 2011 6:31 am

Repo Man wrote: Thanks again for all your hard work Joel. We all appreciate the effort you put in and can't wait to do it again next year!
couldn't have put it better myself. :-) i never once saw joel take a break from the track. you kick a** joel!

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Re: Carlisle autocross times by car number

Postby Greenblurr93 » Mon May 23, 2011 8:17 am

Bubba1 wrote:Hey gang, the nice folks at SCCA just gave me the lap times. The numbers you saw on the truck were individual lap times. Posted below are the official best 2 lap runs by car number from standing start to finish.

CAR # BEST TIME
132/133 57.033 James Horne - RX8 (congrats!!)

Some additional info. James Horne also turned in the single fastest lap (27 seconds).
I Thought my single best time was 28.006?

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Postby EZcheese15 » Mon May 23, 2011 8:31 am

Greenblurr93 wrote:
Bubba1 wrote:Hey gang, the nice folks at SCCA just gave me the lap times. The numbers you saw on the truck were individual lap times. Posted below are the official best 2 lap runs by car number from standing start to finish.

CAR # BEST TIME
132/133 57.033 James Horne - RX8 (congrats!!)

Some additional info. James Horne also turned in the single fastest lap (27 seconds).
I Thought my single best time was 28.006?
28.006 was your single best lap. 57.033 was your best 2-lap combined run. It was most likely the same run. The display was only showing single laps, but they were recording complete 2 lap runs.

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Re: Carlisle autocross times by car number

Postby Bubba1 » Mon May 23, 2011 11:01 am

EZcheese15 wrote:
28.006 was your single best lap. 57.033 was your best 2-lap combined run. It was most likely the same run. The display was only showing single laps, but they were recording complete 2 lap runs.
Correct. I would not put much emphasis on the individual lap times, as every second lap had a "flying start"., plus the official measurement are two consecutive laps time combined from a standing start.
So having the fastest single lap does not mean that person automatically wins.

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Postby snowborder714 » Mon May 23, 2011 11:10 am

Might have just been a typo then (accidentally typed 27 instead of 28)?

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Postby EZcheese15 » Mon May 23, 2011 12:16 pm

snowborder714 wrote:Might have just been a typo then (accidentally typed 27 instead of 28)?
Oh yeah, I didn't notice that's what he was talking about. Yeah, that looks like it was just a typo.

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Re: Carlisle autocross times by car number

Postby Bubba1 » Mon May 23, 2011 1:50 pm

EZcheese15 wrote:
snowborder714 wrote:Might have just been a typo then (accidentally typed 27 instead of 28)?
Oh yeah, I didn't notice that's what he was talking about. Yeah, that looks like it was just a typo.
Yes, a typo, which I just repaired. Sorry. In hindsight, I should have left the single lap time out altogether. It's a stat with very little significance.

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Postby Greenblurr93 » Mon May 23, 2011 4:57 pm

Bubba1 wrote: It's a stat with very little significance.

Very little significance?!?!?! i have nightmares which include the number 27 now... that will haunt me until next year....

and yes, please snowboarder... bring rcomps next year.. i would love to see how that car is when you can unleash it

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Postby snowborder714 » Mon May 23, 2011 7:14 pm

I'd love to see what difference just R comps will do, but by next year I'll have a new suspension setup (new coilover set) along with some front adjustable upper control arms that will allow me to actually control camber and caster.

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Postby Bubba1 » Tue May 24, 2011 4:26 am

Greenblurr93 wrote:
Bubba1 wrote: It's a stat with very little significance.

Very little significance?!?!?! i have nightmares which include the number 27 now... that will haunt me until next year....

and yes, please snowboarder... bring rcomps next year.. i would love to see how that car is when you can unleash it
LOL. next year, those final turns will positioned a little tighter to keep drivers like you and snowborder from hitting 28... ;)

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Postby Greenblurr93 » Tue May 24, 2011 5:23 am

Bubba1 wrote:LOL. next year, those final turns will positioned a little tighter to keep drivers like you and snowborder from hitting 28... ;)
Keep making them tighter... ill keep finding lines through them and telling everyone the secret :gapteeth:

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Postby Bubba1 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:21 am

Greenblurr93 wrote:
Bubba1 wrote:LOL. next year, those final turns will positioned a little tighter to keep drivers like you and snowborder from hitting 28... ;)
Keep making them tighter... ill keep finding lines through them and telling everyone the secret :gapteeth:
Deal. :bigthumb:

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Postby snowborder714 » Tue May 24, 2011 8:06 am

Bring it on, Joel!!

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Postby flohtingPoint » Tue May 24, 2011 6:25 pm

snowborder714 wrote:I'd love to see what difference just R comps will do, but by next year I'll have a new suspension setup (new coilover set) along with some front adjustable upper control arms that will allow me to actually control camber and caster.
R-comps dont make that much of a difference on that track, it's too tight, nobody is pulling even 1g out there. Proper sized tires, functional dampening and a good spring rate will net you more result. Hell, even 2 of the 3 will be an improvement, as I was rocking 205's last year at Carlisle.

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Postby snowborder714 » Tue May 24, 2011 9:53 pm

Thanks for the input, Jim. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the change in dampening and spring rate will do next year.

If you happen to know, what would cause me to hike the rear passenger wheel going around a right turn? I had it happen both last year and this year at the turn right after the finish line. I'm thinking that the increase in front spring rate I have planned will help, but just wondering if you've had experience with this and what would cause it.


I went by the fairgrounds this past weekend on my way out to Pittsburgh and saw they had the track set up again (or maybe still), along with the SCCA timing truck there. Do they run the course for various car shows, if anyone knows?

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue May 24, 2011 10:01 pm

snowborder714 wrote:Thanks for the input, Jim. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the change in dampening and spring rate will do next year.

If you happen to know, what would cause me to hike the rear passenger wheel going around a right turn? I had it happen both last year and this year at the turn right after the finish line. I'm thinking that the increase in front spring rate I have planned will help, but just wondering if you've had experience with this and what would cause it.


I went by the fairgrounds this past weekend on my way out to Pittsburgh and saw they had the track set up again (or maybe still), along with the SCCA timing truck there. Do they run the course for various car shows, if anyone knows?
They use it regularly to do SCCA autoX's.

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Postby flohtingPoint » Tue May 24, 2011 11:34 pm

snowborder714 wrote:Thanks for the input, Jim. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the change in dampening and spring rate will do next year.

If you happen to know, what would cause me to hike the rear passenger wheel going around a right turn? I had it happen both last year and this year at the turn right after the finish line. I'm thinking that the increase in front spring rate I have planned will help, but just wondering if you've had experience with this and what would cause it.


I went by the fairgrounds this past weekend on my way out to Pittsburgh and saw they had the track set up again (or maybe still), along with the SCCA timing truck there. Do they run the course for various car shows, if anyone knows?
It's your rear swaybar that's causing you to pick up a wheel. I used to pick up the front on the Corolla:
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It's normal in FWD cars, has little to do with spring rate. Part of it means you're pushing the car too, so take something from that. On streets you want that car to rotate, so that's all part of what should be your setup plans for it. I'm not sure where you live in relation to Dover, but next weekend (not this weekend) is the SCCA Dover National Tour where you can get a good glimpse of national level competition cars and pick the brains of their drivers to try to get a feel for how you should approach your vehicle. I'll be there and can introduce you to some folks.

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Re: Carlisle autocross times by car number

Postby Bubba1 » Wed May 25, 2011 5:35 am

snowborder714 wrote: I went by the fairgrounds this past weekend on my way out to Pittsburgh and saw they had the track set up again (or maybe still), along with the SCCA timing truck there. Do they run the course for various car shows, if anyone knows?
Yep, SCCA does the same thing we do for a couple Carlisle shows per year, plus they host a couple of their own private autocross events there. But they charge more for participants, limit the # of runs, plus use fewer turns to bring up the speeds.

Last weekend was the Import and Kit show. The Audi club is usually one of the larger groups at that show.

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Postby Greenblurr93 » Wed May 25, 2011 6:29 am

Bubba1 wrote:Last weekend was the Import and Kit show. The Audi club is usually one of the larger groups at that show.
I wonder if the superstar with the audi s4 was there showing everyone his skillz?

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Postby Bubba1 » Wed May 25, 2011 6:57 am

Greenblurr93 wrote:
Bubba1 wrote:Last weekend was the Import and Kit show. The Audi club is usually one of the larger groups at that show.
I wonder if the superstar with the audi s4 was there showing everyone his skillz?
Ha, That;s a good question, I know a few Audi clubbers who were there. I'll ask.

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Postby snowborder714 » Wed May 25, 2011 9:36 am

flohtingPoint wrote:
snowborder714 wrote:It's your rear swaybar that's causing you to pick up a wheel.

It's normal in FWD cars, has little to do with spring rate. Part of it means you're pushing the car too, so take something from that. On streets you want that car to rotate, so that's all part of what should be your setup plans for it. I'm not sure where you live in relation to Dover, but next weekend (not this weekend) is the SCCA Dover National Tour where you can get a good glimpse of national level competition cars and pick the brains of their drivers to try to get a feel for how you should approach your vehicle. I'll be there and can introduce you to some folks.
Does that mean too much rear bar, or not enough?

I'm not sure of my plans for next weekend yet, but I'll let you know if I'd be able to attend. I'm assuming Dover, NJ?

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Postby EZcheese15 » Wed May 25, 2011 9:50 am

snowborder714 wrote: Does that mean too much rear bar, or not enough?

I'm not sure of my plans for next weekend yet, but I'll let you know if I'd be able to attend. I'm assuming Dover, NJ?
If you are picking up your rear wheel in a FWD car, that means you have a bigger/stiffer rear sway bar. But I wouldn't say it's "too much". Many sporty FWD cars are notorious for picking up their rear wheel when autoXing. I used to pick up the rear wheel in my stock suspension B15 Spec V like 6+". There is no reason to soften up your rear suspension to keep 4 wheels on the ground. You aren't going to gain any more traction by having a wheel on the ground with no weight on it, and you'll loose handling performance by having a softer suspension.

RWD cars have a similar effect but they will pick up the front tire in a hard corner if the car is super stiff. You see it a lot in drifting.

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Dover, DE.


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