Car won't start

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raven69david
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Car won't start

Postby raven69david » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:28 pm

I have a 2007 M45 and purchased it with a bad fan, alternator and ignition coil. I took care of the fan and ignition coil without any issues. Before replacing the alternator, I replaced the battery with a brand new unit. Car died after a few hours. Charged the battery back up and died again same day. I then replaced the alternator and the warning lights on the dash turned off. Used the car for a few minutes and made sure battery was charged. Woke up the next morning and then car would not start. :wtf2:

All lights were very dim and would barely crank which was then followed by the 10 second clicking noise as if the car won't turn over and the starter is just making noise. Since I've replaced the alternator and have a brand new battery, any thoughts of what else to look for? :ohno:


EniGmA1987
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Re: Car won't start

Postby EniGmA1987 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:34 pm

Charge up your battery again and then when fully charged and the car is off, disconnect the negative connection from the battery terminal. Use a multimeter and set it to amperage reading mode (usually moving the connector to a different spot and setting the dial to amps). Touch the negative connector with one of the multimeter leads, and the other lead to the negative side of the battery. The reading should be very low, under 0.1 amps at most. Hopefully closer to 0.05A or so. If it is above this amount, then disconnect the new alternator from the system. Test with the multimeter again and see if the current draw changed. If it has gone down to very low, the new alternator is bad. If it still has a high draw, then something else in the car is draining the battery. Do all lights in the car shut off when the car is off and you close the door and lock it?

If you have done the above procedure and ruled out the alternator, then find a way to make the leads of the multimeter stay in place. Usually, you can get multimeter leads with alligator clips on them that will help. With the multimeter in place to read amperage, go to the fuse box inside the car under the driver area. Take a picture so you know where everything goes. Now you can start removing fuses "smartly" by looking up what each fuse does and make educated guesses about which to remove first, or you can simply start with number 1 and work your way down. Remove the fuse, check the amperage draw. Still there? remove fuse 2, repeat until the current draw goes away. Once the amperage reading drops with the removal of one of the fuses, replace back all the other fuses besides that last one you pulled. Check and see if the multimeter still reads low amperage with all fuses but that one back in place. If so, look up what that fuse powers and you have your culprit.


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somewhat good, average spec unit:
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And if you get a decent one with bluetooth you can watch your phone as you pull fuses to see when power goes away.



edit: you will need to either find a way to keep the door switch pressed down while the door is open so the car doesnt turn its interior lights on, or just see what the reading on the multimeter is with the door closed and then see with the door open and mark down how much power the lights are drawing. If you leave the lights on inside then when finding out where the larger drain is from one of the fuses dont forget to take into account the lights being on for why the amperage hasnt dropped down to 0.1 or less.

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VStar650CL
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2004 Nissan Altima 2.5 S

Re: Car won't start

Postby VStar650CL » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:15 pm

EniGmA1987 wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:34 pm
edit: you will need to either find a way to keep the door switch pressed down while the door is open so the car doesnt turn its interior lights on, or just see what the reading on the multimeter is with the door closed and then see with the door open and mark down how much power the lights are drawing. If you leave the lights on inside then when finding out where the larger drain is from one of the fuses dont forget to take into account the lights being on for why the amperage hasnt dropped down to 0.1 or less.
The door switches are usually grounding types with one screw, so the easiest thing is often to remove the one on whichever door you'll use to access the fusebox. Without a ground, the lights will go out. Keep in mind an '07 will have lots of hardware that "stays awake" for awhile after you remove the key, especially if it's an I-key car. I-key BCM's usually take 30 minutes to fully hibernate. The final current draw in hibernation is very consistent, it should be no more than 18 milliamps.

raven69david
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Car: 2002 Infiniti Q45

Re: Car won't start

Postby raven69david » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:43 am

Thanks everyone. Turns out the issue was the connection at the battery terminal. The battery has an aftermarket connector with a wing nut to secure it. Turns out the wing nut was not fully tightened and that was causing issues with the charging system. Removed it, cleaned it and then reinstalled it. Went out this morning and car turned on without any issues. Takeaway: check your battery terminal connections

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VStar650CL
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2004 Nissan Altima 2.5 S

Re: Car won't start

Postby VStar650CL » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:59 am

raven69david wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:43 am
Thanks everyone. Turns out the issue was the connection at the battery terminal. The battery has an aftermarket connector with a wing nut to secure it. Turns out the wing nut was not fully tightened and that was causing issues with the charging system. Removed it, cleaned it and then reinstalled it. Went out this morning and car turned on without any issues. Takeaway: check your battery terminal connections
Additional takeaway -- parts store wing nut, $8, Nissan OEM lug that fits right, $12. Those things aren't expensive, go hit the dealer and not Auto Zone.

raven69david
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Re: Car won't start

Postby raven69david » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:01 am

VStar650CL wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:59 am
raven69david wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:43 am
Thanks everyone. Turns out the issue was the connection at the battery terminal. The battery has an aftermarket connector with a wing nut to secure it. Turns out the wing nut was not fully tightened and that was causing issues with the charging system. Removed it, cleaned it and then reinstalled it. Went out this morning and car turned on without any issues. Takeaway: check your battery terminal connections
Additional takeaway -- parts store wing nut, $8, Nissan OEM lug that fits right, $12. Those things aren't expensive, go hit the dealer and not Auto Zone.
I bought the car like that. :poke:

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VStar650CL
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2004 Nissan Altima 2.5 S

Re: Car won't start

Postby VStar650CL » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:21 am

raven69david wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:01 am
I bought the car like that. :poke:
Then correct Harry's mistake. :chuckle:

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VStar650CL
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Re: Car won't start

Postby VStar650CL » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:26 am

Not to be a noodge, but those idiot "universal" terminals are a major reason we see this:

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