Car won't start after BRAKE SWAP!!

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crzycav86
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I finished front and rear 300zx brakes today, and now the car won't start, even though it started yesterday(with rear 300zx brakes installed). As of now, the brakes have been bled.

For some background information, I used rebuilt 30mm aluminum calipers in the front, and 300zx rear brakes. I also have spl lines, and speed bleeders all around. I'm using ATE super blue brake fluid.

Is it something to do with not having enough pressure in the brake lines? I'm thinking that it won't start as a safety mechanism.

One more thing, should I also bleed the abs unit? I see that it has a bleeder screw.

Any input that is relevant to my issue would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.


crzycav86
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Oh yeah... and the motor isn't turning. We tried jumpstarting just in case the battery drained, but it didn't work.

It makes the same clicking sound that you hear when you try to turn the car on without pushing in the clutch.(on an s13)

I just thought I should clarify a few things...

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eddiec
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...bleeding, yes you should bleed the abs unit. iirc you bleed the forward one first then the rear one. bleed the abs after the calipers.

Structure240sx
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the brakes have nothing to do with the car starting.

seems like your starter died

crzycav86
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meh...

I don't see why it would start fine the day before, but not after I swap the brakes..

Thanks for your help.

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i had two starters go out on me in 2 days. i put the second one in and it started perfect 3 times the 2nd day. that night it wouldnt turn over. i had to buy a brand new one. i didnt think it was possible but the new one hasnt let me down.

seriously think about it. all that it takes for the engine to turn over is power going to the starter when you turn the key. the brakes are its own system. the car cant sense if there is air in the system or if you have different brakes on. when i put my z32 brakes on they were filled with air and had no pedal feel yet my car turned on and drove just fine. get a new starter

crzycav86
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Yeah, I know how it all works. I didnt think that the brake swap and the car not starting could be a mere coincidence. I thought there might be some sensor that I've never heard of that recognizes when there is no pressure in the brake system.

Structure240sx
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nope

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when in doubt, tap the starter with a hammer or wrench and if it starts afterwards, your starter gear has a dead spot.

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crzycav86
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Nope, battery and starter are just fine. It's a switch that's gone bad, or another connection is loose. The car hasn't been driven for about 3 weeks, so we initially thought that the battery just needed some more juice. But charging it didn't work. And I didn't think that the starter was going bad because the starter never had trouble turning the engine before.

We can start the car by ghetto rigging the battery directly to the starter, and it starts up just fine.

I think it may be the clutch pedal switch. Tommorow I'll try bypassing the switch and connecting the wires directly to each other. In the meantime, does anyone know of other connections that my be loose? The engine bay fuses look good.

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did you spill any brake fluid? If there is enough fluid on the connections at the starter, the car wont start. If that is the case, throw some degreaser on the starter let it sit for a while, rinse it off. Repeat as necessary. Or if you are ambitious remove the starter and bench test it. (recommended so you can clean all connections) troubleshooting sucks to begin with. It really sucks when it turns out to be a problem you already checked though not in enough detail.

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Clutch position switch as you said... 100% certain.

crzycav86
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vq35de wrote:did you spill any brake fluid? If there is enough fluid on the connections at the starter, the car wont start. If that is the case, throw some degreaser on the starter let it sit for a while, rinse it off. Repeat as necessary. Or if you are ambitious remove the starter and bench test it. (recommended so you can clean all connections) troubleshooting sucks to begin with. It really sucks when it turns out to be a problem you already checked though not in enough detail.


Nope. Didn't spill any, except when I was bleeding the abs unit, the fluid erupted right into my fuggin eyes! :( I washed it out... and my vision is still as poor as ever.

I also got my foot ran over while we were starting up the car. My friend didn't check to make sure that the transmission was in neutral, and it stalled right over my foot.. haha.
Nismo_Freak wrote:Clutch position switch as you said... 100% certain.


That's some comforting confirmation. I've been having trouble with the switch since I've had the car. In the past, I'd have to finesse the clutch and start the ignition at a precise moment, otherwise it wouldn't start. Starting the car frequently required me to push the clutch in a few times and then start the ignition.

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crzycav86 wrote:Nope. Didn't spill any, except when I was bleeding the abs unit, the fluid erupted right into my fuggin eyes! :( I washed it out... and my vision is still as poor as ever.

I also got my foot ran over while we were starting up the car. My friend didn't check to make sure that the transmission was in neutral, and it stalled right over my foot.. haha.



That's some comforting confirmation. I've been having trouble with the switch since I've had the car. In the past, I'd have to finesse the clutch and start the ignition at a precise moment, otherwise it wouldn't start. Starting the car frequently required me to push the clutch in a few times and then start the ignition.


If you wanna run some wiring you could always bypass it.

"You don't need that ****!"

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wiring? you mean stick a paper clip in the cps plug and tape it up somwhere? works for me....

crzycav86
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Nismo_Freak wrote:Clutch position switch as you said... 100% certain.


Nope. It looks like this isn't the problem, unless the connection to wherever it leads to is loose. I stuck a paper clip to connect the plug, and it still has the same problem. Do you know where that wire leads to? This sounds like a problem that nistech can help with.. so i'll direct it to him as well.


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