Can you ever make a vert just as fast as a regular hatch? or even faster and lighter? is it possible to make it a 10 second car? just wondering...
oh yea...what things should i remove to make it lighter? rear seats? etc?
I wont be hooking up my vert anytime soon...but when i do...i want it to be just as fast and light as a hooked up 240 hatch. wanna run with the best with no problems. I won't race it hard...but knowing I have that power under the hood...will be satisfying...
Can you make it better? Faster?
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wirelessalpha
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Re: Can you make it better? Faster? (topless94)
oh jeez...i can smell the amber already..... johnny storm over here...
1. You can make any car fast. Just have $$$. If you mean potential wise, then no - if you are doing a step by step, side by side, mod per mod comparison in your head. Unless you get to the point where the vert is no longer considered a "car" by most people (say for example, you start going ape**** and remove windshield).
2. Removal - start off by removing things that make sense and that you can remove with hand tools. No real need for us to suggest anything here...you should be able to figure this one out yourself. Just pick up some hand tools and start going crazy. You can post again or even direct email me ([email protected] or [email protected]) for more pointers afterwards.
Side Note: Understand that for those who go neck deep in this kind of stuff .... there is a mutal understanding that
a) This hobby is a money pit. What you want to do, what I did do, and what people will eventually do - is all for the birds. For most of us (unless you plan to make a career out of road racing), this is a way of release....a way to help a mans mind tinker...and most definately, a way to be part of a small society. Outside of those interests, there is no intrinsic value to what we are doing. The "best" of us know this.
b) You will NEVER be satisfied. Never. A modder doesn't know how to completely stop. Even with compelling forces (I have a wife and two kids for instance. I stopped for a "while" then got hooked again when I bought this damn car. woot!).
c) If you don't race it hard - then why race at all? Trust me though...you won't at first....BUT...if the moons and the stars align right, then probably like most of us...you eventually will. Your tech knowledge will grow...your auto enthusiast family will grow....and your hunger to jack up the road will grow as well. Believe me - I am not kidding about this one.
Side note for repliers: Please let's refrain from doing a Johnny Storm battle cry.
1. You can make any car fast. Just have $$$. If you mean potential wise, then no - if you are doing a step by step, side by side, mod per mod comparison in your head. Unless you get to the point where the vert is no longer considered a "car" by most people (say for example, you start going ape**** and remove windshield).
2. Removal - start off by removing things that make sense and that you can remove with hand tools. No real need for us to suggest anything here...you should be able to figure this one out yourself. Just pick up some hand tools and start going crazy. You can post again or even direct email me ([email protected] or [email protected]) for more pointers afterwards.
Side Note: Understand that for those who go neck deep in this kind of stuff .... there is a mutal understanding that
a) This hobby is a money pit. What you want to do, what I did do, and what people will eventually do - is all for the birds. For most of us (unless you plan to make a career out of road racing), this is a way of release....a way to help a mans mind tinker...and most definately, a way to be part of a small society. Outside of those interests, there is no intrinsic value to what we are doing. The "best" of us know this.
b) You will NEVER be satisfied. Never. A modder doesn't know how to completely stop. Even with compelling forces (I have a wife and two kids for instance. I stopped for a "while" then got hooked again when I bought this damn car. woot!).
c) If you don't race it hard - then why race at all? Trust me though...you won't at first....BUT...if the moons and the stars align right, then probably like most of us...you eventually will. Your tech knowledge will grow...your auto enthusiast family will grow....and your hunger to jack up the road will grow as well. Believe me - I am not kidding about this one.
Side note for repliers: Please let's refrain from doing a Johnny Storm battle cry.
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wirelessalpha
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Re: (AZhitman)
b/c az is the six million dollar man.
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TurboChargedSE-R
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I do not understand the attraction to trying to lighten a car that is inherently weak due to it having no roof. Sure, you will accelerate quicker and stop shorter...but at the expense of what?
If anything, IMHO, we should be trying to strengthen our aging chassis. Which means, yes, adding some weight. You can always overcome weight with a boost controller, if done properly.
I just think you're asking for [potential] disaster by weakening (lightening) an already weak chassis.
IMHO, YMMV, and all that.
If anything, IMHO, we should be trying to strengthen our aging chassis. Which means, yes, adding some weight. You can always overcome weight with a boost controller, if done properly.
I just think you're asking for [potential] disaster by weakening (lightening) an already weak chassis.
IMHO, YMMV, and all that.
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Re: Can you make it better? Faster? (topless94)
topless94 wrote:Can you ever make a vert just as fast as a regular hatch? or even faster and lighter? is it possible to make it a 10 second car? just wondering...
oh yea...what things should i remove to make it lighter? rear seats? etc?
I wont be hooking up my vert anytime soon...but when i do...i want it to be just as fast and light as a hooked up 240 hatch. wanna run with the best with no problems. I won't race it hard...but knowing I have that power under the hood...will be satisfying...
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BOOMSHAKALAKA
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Re: Can you make it better? Faster? (WI_S14_Goldie)
How the hell would I know if I didn't ask. I'm always open to suggestions. What do you think these forums are for?
If you think my thread sucks...go SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Modified by topless94 at 10:32 AM 7/12/2006
If you think my thread sucks...go SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Modified by topless94 at 10:32 AM 7/12/2006
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Re: (ca18datsun510)
In my opinion.. with equal mods, the fastback or coupe will always be a little quicker and better handling due to weight and rigidity advantages. However, the 'vert is no slouch. With a little love and tenderness, I think you could turn a 'vert into quite the autox/drift/drag monster depending on your goals.
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AZhitman
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And let's not get started on the torsional rigidity of a properly prepped 'vert.
Those who think the chassis is flexible are sadly mistaken. In fact, according to PDM and ASC, a couple minor mods make the vert chassis AS STIFF as the hatch. Neither is as sturdy as the coupe.
As regards weight, my vert weighs less than a hatch, with a few mods.
Those who think the chassis is flexible are sadly mistaken. In fact, according to PDM and ASC, a couple minor mods make the vert chassis AS STIFF as the hatch. Neither is as sturdy as the coupe.
As regards weight, my vert weighs less than a hatch, with a few mods.
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Re: (TurboChargedSE-R)
Greg,Is there any chance we can take a peek at your car? I bet many poeple want to see it and I'm one of them.
I was very impressed when I jacked up front of my car one side. Rear came up right away and most of all, door closed as if it was on a flat surface. Yes, I can feel vibration and stuff when I cross railroad, but I think 240 vert is very stiff considering leangth and size of the car. Here's the weight, so can I say 101lb+(coupe hardtop-(top components)) = vert reinforcement?
Specification-----------convertible -------coupe ---------hatchback Curb Weight, lbs. -------2800----------2699 --------------2730
I was very impressed when I jacked up front of my car one side. Rear came up right away and most of all, door closed as if it was on a flat surface. Yes, I can feel vibration and stuff when I cross railroad, but I think 240 vert is very stiff considering leangth and size of the car. Here's the weight, so can I say 101lb+(coupe hardtop-(top components)) = vert reinforcement?
Specification-----------convertible -------coupe ---------hatchback Curb Weight, lbs. -------2800----------2699 --------------2730
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ARGAMEMENON
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Re: (94_240sx)
Has anyone put a hoop just behind the seats, hidden by the B pillar bars? If you put in a hoop, cross-bar, two downposts angled down to the footwells (hidden below the doors) and then two downposts in the rear, I would say you could make the car much stiffer. If you wanted to go all out you could add a full cage (might look a bit akward) but it would be just as stiff as anything else.
It's really up to the owner to determine how far they want to go....
To me, the question should not be "Can you ever make a vert just as fast as a regular hatch? ...but... "Do I want to make it just as fast, am I willing to do what it takes".... and so on.
It's really up to the owner to determine how far they want to go....
To me, the question should not be "Can you ever make a vert just as fast as a regular hatch? ...but... "Do I want to make it just as fast, am I willing to do what it takes".... and so on.