Camber - toe kit needed?

[Billsgx]

I just ordered a set of Eiback, Pro kit lowering springs. Says it lowers the front by 1.9" and the rear by 1.6". Should I get a camber / toe kit as well or can I get by without one?

Oops. Just realized I posted this in the wrong forum...

[RED_DET]

You will more than likely need a camber kit with that drop. Once you get an alignment it will be clearly obvious.

[Billsgx]

Ok, I'm having a hard time getting answers from anyone about what I need for a camber kit online. I can only find rear kits for my car online. Do I need one for both front and rear? I also found different styles with big price differences. The cheapest I found was an Eibach rear kit that consists of four bolt type. Am I better off getting just the bolt kit or the bolt and arm kit for the rear? I'm assuming the bolt only kit is all I really need...

[RED_DET]

I answered your question.

You aren't going to know whether or not you will need a camber kit until you drop the vehicle and get an alignment.

The bolts are only going to allow for camber correction, not toe.

I would get the Eibach camber arms for the rear (5.72280K) and the the front camber arms (5.72130K) also made by eibach.

We carry both items as well.

[Billsgx]

Ok. Thanks! I just realized I may have a problem. I ordered the Eibach springs with a pn of 6394.140 off of ebay. I was told they will work for both coupe and sedan. I see in your store there are two pn's listed, one for coupe and one for sedan. Will the 6394.140 work with the sedan? I hope so because they are already on their way! I also noticed that one drops the car more than the other. On Ebay all of the stores list the pn 6399.140 for the 07' and 08' G35X sedan. Im seeing conflicting info on this.

[RED_DET]

They will work, but as you can see they are going to provide much more of a drop than the ones for the sedan. The 6399.140 was designed for the 07-08 G35x sedan and also accommodates the 09+ g37x sedan.

[audtatious]

Actually the 4-bolt rear kit is supposed to cover camber and toe. The issue with the bolt kit is you will need to grind the holes out yourself as tire shops nor the dealer will do it for you (I found out the hard way as the tire shop installed them but did not enlarge the holes as required...and refused to do the work).

[Billsgx]

Thanks for all of the good info.! Another question though! Are you familiar with Ichiba brand camber kits? I found they are cheaper than the Eibach kits. Or am I better off just keeping it all Eibach?

[audtatious]

Eibach is SPC so either of those should be good. Ichiba is a known name brand but I'm not 100% sure about their camber arm quality. I saw elsewhere where people were having issues with the rubber bushings not lasting. Eibach rear camber arm kits include new toe bolts, btw.

[Billsgx]

Thanks again!

[Billsgx]

Ok, I want to make sure that my Eibach springs are going to fit before I bring the car in to get them installed. The pn I got was 6394.140. Listed for the coupe. I already asked this, but want to make sure they will fit my sedan as I was told they would. I just brought my car in to get my cat back installed that i ordered off of Amazon only to find out its for the coupe only. It was listed as fitting both! Not happy!

[audtatious]

I'm seeing people using 6399.140 which are springs for the 2007-2008 G35x. The coupe G37x springs is too much of a drop for the X sedan. Trust RED_DET, I do

[Billsgx]

If you look at earlier posts, Red Det said they will work? I have them already. Im wobdering now if i should return them for the others.

[audtatious]

They physically fit but the drop is too aggressive from what I hear. I would personally send them back and get the 6399.140 as people have had success with those.

[Billsgx]

Too aggressive meaning clearance issues or too stiff or something?

[audtatious]

From what I have seen others complain about is the drop is about 1.9" or more and the car bottoms the suspension out easily. The coupe springs are either shorter than the sedan or softer than the sedan. Seems to be similar to the problem I had with Tein H-Tech G35 springs on my G37 coupe, a 2" drop and so soft I was hitting the crossbrace on just about every speed bump other raised road areas.

[RED_DET]

They will fit, but as stated above, the drop is too much. You will 99% need camber correction with a 1.9" drop on a g35/37x sedan. You also have to remember you have a transfer case that is also hanging in the equation and you do not want to be slamming that on something....

What exhaust did you order that didn't fit....Shouldn't be ordering things from Amazon, trust the people that have been doing this for a long time and well knowledgeable in the parts.

[Billsgx]

Yea, I ordered the front and rear Eibach camber kits because I was told I would need them with that drop. I asked if the springs would fit my car and you said yes, but did not nention that it may be too low. I have the springs already and the front camber kit is on the way. Sounds like I should return the springs...that being said, will I need the camber kits now with the sedan springs with a lower drop? If not, I'll return those and wont order for the front. That would save some $$ toward the new cat back I'm now going to have to start looking into.
I ordered a Magnaflow because of the great deal I found on Amazon. To bad its the wrong one!!
What would be a good cat back to go with? I dont want it to be too loud, especially at idle. I dont mind so much if its louder when you put the pedal down. I also like a lower tone.
Now I have springs and an exhaust to return!

[audtatious]

The X is a difficult car to fit as most manufacturers aim towards the RWD owners. Hell, convertible owners can get springs but don't have any options for camber kits so they are simply dealing with tire wear. In the case of suspension for the X it's been a trial and error situation to see what works and what does not. It's similar to me putting on the H-Techs which did not work out in the long run due to how low the drop is and soft the suspension is with them.

As far as whether you do or do not need camber kits I would honestly wait and see what the alignment specs are after the springs are installed. Here's what I've gone through....

Factory ride height on my G coupe measuring from middle of the wheel hub to the fender lip is 15.5" front and 14.25" rear. This makes the car look like the front is stuck up in the air. When I installed the Tein H-Techs the measurements were 13" even for front and back which looked very even but equated to a a 2.5" drop in the front and 1.25" drop in the rear. Way too aggressive with stock suspension components. Ride was too sloppy and soft so the next stop was coilovers...

BC coilovers were installed and the ride height was set to 13.5" center-hub to fender, which I still have today. This equated to a 2" drop in the front and a .75" drop in the rear. With this setup I was -2 degrees negative camber in the front (should be around -1.2 maximum) and rear was -2.2 degrees (should be no more than -1.8) negative camber (specs were worse with H-tech but I don't have the numbers). Between the Tein and the camber numbers on the coilovers I ate the crap out of a set of Hankook tires where three of them were showing belts. Knowing the front needed a camber kit with that drop I had the front Eibach kit installed when I got new tires and I had the car aligned. While I was able to now get the front in spec I knew the rear was still out of spec with the .75" drop. It took installing the Eibach camber arms to get the rear camber back where it needs to be.

So, while in most cases anything less than a 2" drop _usually_ can do without camber kits there is no guarantee.

[Billsgx]

Ok, so I will most likely return the springs for the sedan ones and cancell my camber kits until I know if they are needed. Although you said your car only had a .75" drop in the rear and the rear arm kit was needed. I already ordered that, on its way.

[RED_DET]

All these items you are ordering, we do carry if you didn't realize that by now.

I recommend the ARK Catback exhaust for the G35/37 AWD sedan. We are having a sale on those at the moment for $1259.30 shipped within Contiguous US.

If you want prices for the suspension components just let me know.

[Billsgx]

Hmm. I looked at your site and only saw the arc listed for the coupe? Im looking at the Arc and Stillen. Why would you recommend arc over Stillen? Beause that is what you carry? lol
As far as suspension, I'm working on returning the springs and rear camber kit that is unfortunately already on its way. I'll more than likely get the springs from you if they wont trade for the ones I want.
What do you think about the Stillen used with about 7,500 mi. on it for about $750.00?

[arrow23]

I put the ARK Grip CAT back on my 2008 G37S Coupe about a month ago.
It sounds awesome, you can feel the added power, and it looks really cool as well.
I highly recommend it.

[RED_DET]

Because I have heard both exhausts in person. I have seen the fit and finish of both exhausts in person and even the techs that install these exhausts for my customers @ Infiniti agree it is the better choice, sounds better, fits better and looks better.....

I have had these ARK exhausts listed on my site for a long time now ....

http://www.tunerzstore.com/index.php?p=1_226

[Billsgx]

Red_Det
I was wrong, I only see Invidia, Greddy and Borla for coupe only on your site.
Oh, I see...They are not listed if you search by car.

[Billsgx]

Nice! Sale prices are not listed? How long will they be on sale for?

[RED_DET]

The sale started yesterday and I haven't had time to mess with the prices online as we leave tomorrow for Nicofest @ the Dragon....

The majority of my customers are from forums any ways.

Normally ARK runs the sales for a few weeks..

[Billsgx]

So, would I have to do it through you with the Forum? Or would I still get the price direct through the store?

[RED_DET]

You would have contact me to place an order. You can order over the phone or paypal... I can't even change my prices if I wanted because paypal is having issues with merchant services.

[Billsgx]

Ok, I just have to decide which way I wanna go. Its either the Ark through you or a used Stillen for around $750. which would save me about $500.00. I may have to go with the Stillen because I just had to drop some $$ on a new laptop last night. Thanks for all of your time and info. Its much appreciated!