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Camber shims??

Postby chompsticks » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:27 pm

So I might need to install camber shims and was wondering how hard are they to install?


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Re: Camber shims??

Postby damian666robin » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:36 am

if is only rears it should be very easy and fast

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:31 pm

they are very easy, i can do them in 15-20min. basically you just need to do the following

jack up the rear of car
remove wheel
remove 10mm nut for abs sensor
remove the 4 14mm nuts on the back of the hub
pull the hub off axle
put the proper side shim in between hub and axle
line up holes and put the hub back in
use supplied spacer to give the supplied 17mm bolts a flush spot to tighten down
put the abs sensor back in
tighten evrything
put wheel back on

what was the offset and width again for your wheels? if i remember right yoou shouldnt need the camber shims

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Postby chompsticks » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:03 am

18x8 +25 in the fronts, with the coilovers set on max neg camber, although it's not too much negative camber. It's just perfect in the fronts.

right now it's 18x8 +25 in the rear, I want to add some camber to the rear to push the rears out another 5 or 10mm, but since the fronts don't poke much anymore I might be good at just leaving it at +25 in the rears. (Still rubs with a full load in the rear)

Tires are 215/35

Will see though, I will get pictures up sometime this weekend and see what you guys think.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:20 pm

8" +25 is perfect up front you shouldnt even neen the negative camber. the rears you are rubbing where the body meets with the rear panel with that tire size if you put a 195 on the rear you should be able to get another 10mm of room

cant wait to see the pics!

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Postby chompsticks » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:09 pm

501:

They make a 205/40/18 and then 215/35/18 no 195s

205 made the car a little too high, 215 make it a tad bit lower.
only tire options available that are useable for the cube and 18x8 wheels. I should have waited to find some 18x9s instead...
I need camber shims so I can correct the rear toe and add a smidge of camber. My tires wear out faster in the rear than the fronts.

Heres a pic!
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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:30 am

looks good!, i am looking to getting my 15" wheels and fenders that close

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Postby damian666robin » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:55 pm

have you tried the shims already? rite now i am using those unless you use a -3 kit from the camber doctor, a -5 is to agressive and will cost you a lot of tires trust me i had -5 :facepalm:
the regular shims give you a -1.5
you could mix 2 kits for each side and create a -2 i think thats more what i need instead of the -1.5 cause once i put a nice load on the cube it still rubs

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Postby chompsticks » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:05 pm

I haven't had them on before, I might not even add anymore camber, I think a fender pull on the rears would be just perfect. Only needs to be like 1mm or 2mm pull.

Although I can use the shims to correct the toe, it's bad enough that my right rear tire wears out the fastest.

Here's another shot with the wheels. ;)
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Re: Camber shims??

Postby damian666robin » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:15 pm

dont pull the fenders man you gonna ruin them i did and not only will crack the paint but is gonna bend the metal making it look really bad
just get the shims first and give it a try, it will give you -1.5 and tire wear wont be much at all, overall you are always going to have that issue with 18" wheels no matter what i dont know how that guy on the cube forums is having the nerve of runing 20" wheels 18" is big enough to deal with it lol!

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Postby chompsticks » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:39 pm

If you use a heat gun it should be alright. The paint has flakes and burned already anyways.... Just like 501s. ;)

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:38 am

just so you know the rear with my ride hieght is at -1.4 degree camber. this is without any shims

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Postby chompsticks » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:33 pm

Thanks! I found out that the toe needs to be corrected by
.5 decimal inches OR
.99 decimal degrees.

At least at the ride height I am at, which is 22 and 3/4 inches. from ground the fender.

My passenger rear toe is worse than drivers side.

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Postby 501 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:56 am

mine is the same way also, passenger rear tire wear faster also at 22 3/4" ground to fender

thanks for the info!!

next up is getting the axle vibration fixed!

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Postby chompsticks » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:32 am

No problem!

Is the axle vibration what you get when you are making sharp turns? I notice when I am turning and accelerating that it feels like there is something loose in the steering.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:31 pm

yea that is it, gets a little worse when you go really low up front

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Postby chompsticks » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:13 pm

Ahh, then I am having the same problem... It seems to be getting worse for me, but it might just be the fronts settling in a little bit.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby AZhitman » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:18 pm

If you guys think you can adjust toe AND camber on your own, you're more skilled than me.

Take it to an alignment shop, spend the $70 and get it done right.

p.s. I was one of the first people to use the shims on a Cube, and it's a colossal PITA. The formula for getting the toe and camber right is complex as hell with the dual ring shims.

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Postby chompsticks » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:50 pm

:P

It's not too hard to understand. As long as you know your numbers for the rear and know stock numbers then you just adjust accordingly to what you want it to be. So if you wanted to change toe by 1 degree and camber by 1 degree you just follow the table and line up the numbers. My problem with them is the fact that they give you less offset. Even if I adjust the toe correctly I would have to add more camber otherwise I rub like crazy. I have to get a new set of shims now because of that.... :(

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby AZhitman » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:54 pm

How are they affecting offset? I mean, the thickness of the shim isn't much.

Might be time for different wheels or different tire sizes (which I did to eliminate the fender rubbing).

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Postby chompsticks » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:51 pm

Thickness isn't big at all, but it did affect it ever so slightly... I am perfectly flush in the rears, If i put 4 people in the back I will rub and with the shims I was just rubbing without anything in the rear. That just means i need to add some camber, but I am not really one for the aggressive camber look and plus straight line driving gets tricky.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby AZhitman » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:08 pm

Yeah, I'd sacrifice some "flushness" for functionality.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby 501 » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:48 pm

i paid 150 for my alingment, by a guy who who does mostly race cars only. he can correct the roll center the axle vibration along with the rear toe and camber...he has shins that are 10th's in thickness. his concern when adjusting mine was that the rear wheel bearings would bind up.

when i brought my car in his first question was "do you want it to not rub or you want cornering performance or both" i knew i was at the right place...lol

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby chompsticks » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:25 pm

we need places like that here on the east coast!

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby protoculture » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:06 pm

Love your cube man. Can you forward me the details on the RIMS and tires of your vehcile?

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby rwb » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:56 pm

He sold it a while back. I doubt he will respond to your question.

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby protoculture » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:05 pm

Thanks for that!

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Re: Camber shims??

Postby rwb » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:09 pm

He still has a lot of pics on cardomain.


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