Camber Kit needed? / Fog Lights for car

[jusjus]

Hey guys, I'm sure a lot of you might probably have answered this question but I really couldn't find a positive 100% answer so sorry if its getting repetitive.

CAMBER KIT AFTER DROP - I've just ordered the Eibach Springs for my 2.5 coupe. Question is, are camber kits REALLY not needed? I read that, after the drop the front wheels still have a perfect camber and its just the rear which is slightly negative (is this true?). And if so, isn't it better still to have the entire suspension perfectly cambered? And is there actually even a camber kit in the market for our car anyways, if so which brand/one?

FOG LIGHTS - I have the 2.5 so it doesn't have fog lights. I'm in Canada and dealership does not have factory fogs as an option (I know they're expensive and not worth it, but I really prefer factory). Is there actually an aftermarket foglight kit that fits our car perfectly?

Thanks for all the input everyone! As you can tell, I'm quite newb at all this :p

[spockrock]

the rear wheels come from the factory with negative camber so no you don't really need that camber kit.

The 3.5's come with fogs if you can't find it on ebay you could check the dealership.

[windhaven]

Answers:

1) Camber Kit NOT needed.2) Factory Fogs vs. Aftermarket. Basically, I haven't seen any aftermarket fogs for our car that mount to our provided mount points. But with a bit of ingenuity you could probably find a round fog set, pop out your fog covers, and mount.

Personally, i'd go with factory. I've seen some on the forums for sale especially when the owners have put on the Stillen Fascia.

-- Wind

[gucio69]

Factory fogs would also have an added benefit since they should be just plug and play. Since he's in Canada he should have all the wiring and plugs already pre-installed.

[jusjus]

Cool... Thx for the input guys... So considering everyone is saying I don't need a camber kit, I guess the camber is ok even after the drop. Any special attention needed though? e.g. regular/yearly alignment, more tire rotations etc?

As for the fog lights, I do think that factory is the way to go too. Only thing is that like I said, since its not an option to add fogs to the 2.5 here in Canada, you can only get the fogs as 'replacement parts' for the 3.5 and install it on the 2.5 and gets really expensive Guess I'll have to find someone who has it for sale!

Also on the factory fogs, is there a button to turn them on or do they turn on with night lights? Would prefer they had a seperate button. & if people where selling theirs as a result of gettin the Stillen Fascia or something, I assume they would remove the on/off switch for the fogs and sell it too?

thx again everyone!

[Scandinavian Flick]

well the fog light switch is part of the turn signal stalk, so it cant just be taken off, i would just buy a switch a install it next to the switch the opens the trunk ( assuming your trunk button is on the top).

[jusjus]

Ic... Sounds like an awesome idea to have the switch where those useless empty buttons are next to trunk. Thx!!!

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

i have aftermarket fogs n they fit perfectly but idk wat the namme is just find ones that fit the hole

[digitalbow]

I hope it's not too late... but I just wanted to correct some of the confusion here about camber. (Keep in mind that toe can also affect tire wear)

0 degrees is ideal for a regular street car. Your front wheels are the ones that are going to be most susceptible (as most kits change the spring rates/ratios more in the front) to negative camber, not the rear.

You should get an alignment and check the camber any time you change your wheel/tire combination (like stepping up to a 20" setup for example) and also when changing your suspension (aftermarket or not). It will not always be readily apparent that you need to bring it back into spec until you see the effects.

If you care about longevity of your tires, reducing stress on other components, and straight-line performance then you want 0 degree camber.

If you are doing auto-x, consistent aggressive maneuvering, or want stupid "VIP" look and have money to burn on new tires every 3 months, then negative camber is fine.

Camber with any inclination on the drive wheels will just wear them down unevenly. Camber on non-drive wheels can, in addition to the above, create waves in the tread which causes vibration and noise.

Positive camber is typically something we do not have to worry about, as lifted trucks and cars running goofy small/skinny wheels would.

So, do you need a camber kit? Probably not, but if you can't get back into spec without it, then yes.


Modified by digitalbow at 3:31 PM 8/7/2008