California Basketball Fans

[GELLIS2586]

I just want to say im sorry to all the cali b- ball fans but your teams lost and now it's an all Texas Western Conference final. Hell yeah ne ways I know the kings fans will say the only reason they lost was because webber got hurt. Thats not it at all because other players stepped up when he got hurt and you still lost. And its about time the Lakers lose

Sorry if i piss any one off but I gotta rub it in someones face.

[Rockenreno]

Ok, let me say this.

Take away Dirk from Dallas: Kings win in 4Take away Duncan from Spurs: Lakers win in 4

Take away Webber from Kings: series goes to wire in game 7

Lakers deserve to lose, I hate them, but the Kings should have won that series. The Webber injury really hurt them. They are a much better team than Dallas with Webber, and about equal without him (hey, they took them to 7 games without Webber). Let's see either of your teams win a game at all without their best player!

PS The state of officiating in this league is horrendous. Nobody calls travels or carries and they give in to flops all the time.

[theronin]

I just want to say im sorry to all the cali b- ball fans but your teams lost and now it's an all Texas Western Conference final. Hell yeah ne ways I know the kings fans will say the only reason they lost was because webber got hurt. Thats not it at all because other players stepped up when he got hurt and you still lost. And its about time the Lakers lose

Sorry if i piss any one off but I gotta rub it in someones face.

Eat one:rolleyes

[C-Kwik]

All I have to say is where was everyone else the last three years? I'll admit that the Lakers got ****y. They needed to be humbled. But they will be back. After all. The Lakers has the most champoinships under their belts this millenium...

All I have to say to the Kings are that LA is really the capital of Californians. We just hate politicians so we stuck them up there. :P

[MainEvent212]

well the wizards are gonna be national champs....

one day :rolleyes

lol i'm not even a wiz fan anymore...:-\

[Anand]

well the wizards are gonna be national champs....

hahaha... that's the funniest one i've heard!!!!

[myRed240]

All I have to say is where was everyone else the last three years? I'll admit that the Lakers got ****y. They needed to be humbled. But they will be back. After all. The Lakers has the most champoinships under their belts this millenium...

All I have to say to the Kings are that LA is really the capital of Californians. We just hate politicians so we stuck them up there. :P

lol, I am deeply saddened by the Lakers' loss, but they weren't playing like they wanted it anyways. They will be back to begin a new streak after they do some housecleaning and pick up a few players that aren't afraid to take an open shot or cut to the hoop. The 'Queens' aren't more than a big group of whiners who rely on their flops to be called and are where they should be. The Mavs will be put in thier place, along with Mark Cuban, and the Spurs will win the Championship because the Eastern Conference really can't hang with the Western. Go ahead, get mad, but it's all in fun!

ps. Is anyone else here horrified by the way the officiating has been so far?

[I H8 UR DSM]

dallas will win the ring

SA was built to beat LA and did, but will have a lot of trouble with Dallas, and i figure it to be a shorter series than one would think, (dallas gets no credit)...SA is already worrying about how to stop van exle an nash on the floor together, as well as Dirk and Finley, SA can not match up very well against Dallas..

Dallas in 5, NJ in 6 : 0

dallas in 6 over nj.

Nba officiating is mainly consistant...bad or not, consistancy is what the organizations are looking for...the NBA is notorious for its 'officiating conspiracies" but this year is nothing different than any of the years in the "stern era" of the nba.

[Rockenreno]

The 'Queens' aren't more than a big group of whiners who rely on their flops to be called and are where they should be.

Care to provide any examples from this season? Did you even watch the Kings play the Mavericks? The Kings did not flop at all. The Mavericks flopped every other play and got it called half the time. You have fallen victim to the brainwashing of Shaq and Phil Jackson, who find it necessary to insult everyone, ESPECIALLY the Kings because they know that the Kings are the better team and have inferiority issues. The Kings had the heart and drive to win it all this season, but the injury to Webber didn't help much. Think about the Lakers without Shaq, Kobe, or even Derek Fisher. They wouldn't put up a fight against any team in this playoffs.

As for SA vs Dallas. I don't see Dirk stopping Duncan any time soon. I stand by SA in 5 or 6, NJ in 5 or 6, and a similar Finals with SA beating NJ in 5 or 6.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Duncan never gets stopped...and no offense, but that statement showed a lot of ignorance since we know Dallas plays a lot of zone, and the fact that its known inside the league that Duncan can not stop Dirk...matchup problems all over the floor...and if you do play man up w/ dallas, and you do consider duncan a mismatch for Dirk (even know dirk doesnt cover him and lafrenz or bradley does, LOL), the rest of the matchups arent mismatches like they are on the other side of the floor...

And your predictions are pretty lame, being we know the series atleast have to go 4 games, so you saying "5-6" for every series is pretty safe, lol, considering therre really is only one other option, game 7, since most likely there will be no sweeps (monetary reasons surrounding the league)

brainwashing? lol thats the wrong word to use there

flopped? again, you cant get inside players minds, but it is a fact that Divak is the biggest flopper in the league...

PS, the kings w/out webber were better than LA w/out shaq and Dallas w/out dirk this year....Like it or not...

Its hard to have an intelligent debate with ignorant 'fans' of certain teams...maybe i shouldnt get involved since i do work in the front office of a pro team, and get more info and knowledge than the average person ; )

Lakers never once said they are the "better team"...the y often even said Sac was a better team, just didnt have the edge to put them over the top

[Meantime]

Well, at least my Sixers have died quickly and not given us poor degenerates any undue hope. One less d*mn underachieving Philly team to waste my time watching.

[Rockenreno]

SA vs Dallas is just a whole bunch of mismatches, but I like San Antonio.

Tony Parker vs Nash or Van Exel - should be interesting. Obviously Dallas' guys are better, but I think Tony can slow Nash or Van Exel down a bit.

Stephen Jackson/Manu Ginobili vs Raja Bell - easily goes to the Spurs. Bell flops like nobody's business.

Bruce Bowen vs. Michael Finley - Spurs will put Bowen on Finley for defensive purposes. He'll bother him, and Michael Finley is easily bothered. Finley will still put up decent numbers, but I think he is the real key to the Dallas team. One of the few that plays hard on both sides of the court (though not always well).

Dirk vs Duncan - Dirk will try to flop every time down the court. If refs call Duncan every time Dirk flops Dallas wins, no contest, but more likely Dirk gets in foul trouble and Duncan dominates. On the other end Dirk launches up 3s like he did in the regular season because he can't get inside. Duncan can't defend him on the perimeter.

Admiral vs LaFrentz/Bradley - Robinson may be old, but he's still a decent player. If LaFrentz can hit his outside shots Dallas wins this battle, but Robinson wins on the boards and vs Bradley.

You don't like my 5 or 6? Fine. Spurs in 6, Nets in 5, Spurs over Nets in 5. Happy? Don't insult my intelligence, I know basketball. You are the ignorant one claiming Vlade Divac flops all the time. When's the last time you saw him play? I've watched every playoff game and have seen him flop perhaps once or twice. The "flop" strategy is something he employs against Shaq, but Shaq commits an offensive foul on every play whether you flop or not, so it doesn't matter, its just how the refs decide to call Shaq that game.

Anything else you care to discuss? I have been doing fantasy basketball/baseball/football for a handful of years, so I know a good deal. I follow sports almost religiously. I'll be happy to debate and tell you what's what.

[Rockenreno]

Well, at least my Sixers have died quickly and not given us poor degenerates any undue hope. One less d*mn underachieving Philly team to waste my time watching.

I'm actually surprised the Sixers didn't pull it out. They are a better team than Detroit when they play together, especially since Detroit was without Billups, who has really turned it on. Nets would have still beat them though...

[I H8 UR DSM]

SA vs Dallas is just a whole bunch of mismatches, but I like San Antonio.

Tony Parker vs Nash or Van Exel - should be interesting. Obviously Dallas' guys are better, but I think Tony can slow Nash or Van Exel down a bit.

Stephen Jackson/Manu Ginobili vs Raja Bell - easily goes to the Spurs. Bell flops like nobody's business.

Bruce Bowen vs. Michael Finley - Spurs will put Bowen on Finley for defensive purposes. He'll bother him, and Michael Finley is easily bothered. Finley will still put up decent numbers, but I think he is the real key to the Dallas team. One of the few that plays hard on both sides of the court (though not always well).

Dirk vs Duncan - Dirk will try to flop every time down the court. If refs call Duncan every time Dirk flops Dallas wins, no contest, but more likely Dirk gets in foul trouble and Duncan dominates. On the other end Dirk launches up 3s like he did in the regular season because he can't get inside. Duncan can't defend him on the perimeter.

Admiral vs LaFrentz/Bradley - Robinson may be old, but he's still a decent player. If LaFrentz can hit his outside shots Dallas wins this battle, but Robinson wins on the boards and vs Bradley.

You don't like my 5 or 6? Fine. Spurs in 6, Nets in 5, Spurs over Nets in 5. Happy? Don't insult my intelligence, I know basketball. You are the ignorant one claiming Vlade Divac flops all the time. When's the last time you saw him play? I've watched every playoff game and have seen him flop perhaps once or twice. The "flop" strategy is something he employs against Shaq, but Shaq commits an offensive foul on every play whether you flop or not, so it doesn't matter, its just how the refs decide to call Shaq that game.

Anything else you care to discuss? I have been doing fantasy basketball/baseball/football for a handful of years, so I know a good deal. I follow sports almost religiously. I'll be happy to debate and tell you what's what.

raja bell??he's the 8th man on that team....do you watch basketball? He wont see more than 7 minutes a game...

You have Nash, Finley, Najara, Nowitski, Bradley as starters w/ Lafrenz and Van exle coming off the bench....i think you're roster management is quite off...and again, Dirk does not d up duncan, he;ll play on robinson becuase he is away from the block, the big man will plya duncan. it will be a zone defense the majority of the time, which will keep the ball out of the middle, ie duncan, and force shots fro mthe outside...parker is not a good shooter, stephen jackson is, but not very consistant (compared to high level players)....SA bench will have to shoot good from the outside...speedy claxton will determine if SA can hang in the first 2 games...i think dallas will win them both.

You again are not giving Dirk any credit for his post moves, which are better than you seem to lead onto...

again, your standpoint is as a fan, not as someone working in the world of sports...SA may come out victorious, but us around the office today are having a Fun azz time picking apart your statements, because they are very very innacurate with the style of play of both teams....i cant even believe you said raja bell, and didnt mention dallas's zone

say what you want, obviously someone will be shown to be right in a week or so. : )

[I H8 UR DSM]

another thing to consider, which we were talking aobut this mornign was that in every play off series, one impact player ususally seems to get hurt from each team...Dallas is inarguably more deep, and can most likely get over a big injury a little better if both teams do suffer an injury

[I H8 UR DSM]

and the "if" webber didnt get hurt argument is irrelevant : )

"If" webber didnt call a time out in 94 or whatever, michigan 'woulda' won the NCAA title : )

"if" webber didnt accept illegal gifts and money, michigan 'wouldnt' of gotton those years erased, and wouldnt be on probation : )

[lessthanjakejohn]

who plays basketball :P

its all about the lacrosse

[Rockenreno]

"if" webber didnt accept illegal gifts and money, michigan 'wouldnt' of gotton those years erased, and wouldnt be on probation : )

You have no proof!:D

Anyway, in case you missed out on the whole Dallas-Kings series, Raja Bell did in fact start. Believe it or not he made a difference too! Don't make me dig up those box scores to show his minutes. I think it would be funny to see Najera vs Bowen, though Bowen will most likely guard Finley. Bowen vs Najera would equal zero involvement for either of them since neither shoots well.

I also highly doubt any form of "defense" from Dallas, zone or man to man will stop Duncan. Pick apart my statements all you like, I'll pick apart yours. I would continue now, but I have a midterm to get to (statistics, what a waste of time...). If you care to say any more I'll be happy to reply later.

[Meantime]

I'm actually surprised the Sixers didn't pull it out. They are a better team than Detroit when they play together, especially since Detroit was without Billups, who has really turned it on. Nets would have still beat them though...

Unfortunately, I wasn't surprised. When Iverson went to the line in Game 2 and blew it, everyone else groaned: I shrugged. The Philly bad ju-ju curse is always in full effect. Flyers, Sixers, Iggles, whomever! All cursed. Ben Franklin must have offended some kind of voodoo god while he was bangin' around the States, for our sports teams are anything but clutch.

[hannibal]

Pistons over Nets in 5, Pistons over Mavs/Spurs in the Finals. Yeah, right...I cant say Im sorry the Lakers are gone. But I really wanted to see the Kings in the West Finals. I say with Webber they woulda been there.I have to put Spurs over Mavs just cause the Mavs cant/dont play defense. With two good teams (and plenty of mismatches) you need defensive stops. I dont know if the Mavs will step up. I thing Tony Parker is ready to shine. But hes gonna have a helluva battle with Nick and Nash. Duncan is always ready. But SA has to shut down (or at least slow down) Finley cause when he scores, the Mavs win. And Dirk will get his points (inside, outside, wherever...). I think its gonna a long series with the Spurs taking it in 6.Dont count out the Nets (theyve got the East). They might have a surprise or two for the Spurs.And Divac is THE best flopper in the NBA. And Shaq does commit an offensive foul everytime he touches the ball in the paint.Go Pistons...

[Rockenreno]

And Divac is THE best flopper in the NBA.

I am a die-hard Kings fan, but Karl Malone is a better flopper, always has been. Divac is great at flopping, but he doesn't do it as often as one would think.

BTW, you haven't seen flopping until you've seen Dallas' defense. They aren't very good at it, but they will flop every chance they get. If you watched the Kings series you know what I mean. Most of the time it was called luckily (except game 3), but you'd always see Mavs falling down trying to get a foul call and then whining to the refs... funny that half the time nobody was within 2 feet of them :P

[I H8 UR DSM]

exactly, your a fan. The first thing I learned working in the sports industry is debating, explaining, or listening to a FANATIC (Nic. *fan*) is that they cant be swayed. I am a Basketball fan, a baseball fan, hockey fan, etc...once you admit or fall into the catagory of being a FANATIC(*Fan*) you're arguements will always be swayed one way.

Karl Malone is a better flopper, Divac flops the most.

1-0 dip**** (IN SA"S BUILDING!)

[Rockenreno]

1-0 dip****

Oh come on, how mature is that?

Let me point out a few things:Raja Bell started (as I said, and you laughed at).Duncan dominated.LaFrentz + Bradley = no production vs RobinsonSpurs led at halftime by 9 and their free throw shooting killed them. I don't know how Dirk got 17 free throws, nor how Bruce Bowen missed 5 of 10, but either way that was the difference in the game.I also am baffled how Manu Ginobili fouled out. He is a key member of the Spurs, and Stephen Jackson just doesn't cut it.

I didn't watch this game because I don't care that much, so I can't comment much more on the little things that might have made a difference.

Also, who are you to judge me? You claim to be a *fan* yourself, and yet you look down upon me and insult me for being the same thing!

PS You want to watch flopping the most, don't watch Divac, watch Raja Bell or Dirk Nowitzki, they are floptastic defenders.

[I H8 UR DSM]

It was a joke, i dont think your a dip**** : )im not really stupid, i wouldnt rub that in, knowing that once dallas looses you'd rub it right back in : ) but i wasnt suprised they pulled that game out, even after trailing by 20 points...they will win game 2 and 3, lose 4 and win in 5 games, but thats just my opinion.

being a *fan* of a team is differnt than a fan of the sport.. i am a unbiased basketball fan, not one fogged by my love of a specific team.

you admitedly didnt watch the game, lol, so how could i take those comments as but a grain of sand...

Well since bruce bowen shot 40% free throws for the season, that should explain to you why he missed...besides they applied the 'hack a shaq' on him starting int he second quarter to take him out of the game

if you read my post you'll see i said no one ever stops duncan, its about stopping the other players...

duncan was gaurded by the zone and by lafrenz...

spurs led by 19 in the second quarter, whats your point, good teams shut down the opposition in the second half, where it matters most...ever heard of non bball fans only watching last 5 minutes, because its all that mattters?

sorry that you took it as me insulting, didnt mean that, just debating : )

but it is hard to debate with a fan of a team if you know what i mean...any yankee fan will tell you over and over that Jeter is better than Tejada and maybe even Arod, but a baseball fan can look at it more objectively and come accross more unbaised, ya know what i mean??

I do respect what your saying, but im telling you, the basket ball world, and fans consider Divac flops the most, like it or not, its just the consensus amoung the followers of the sport.

It was honestly a great game, SA lead the whole first half until Dnelson implied that hack a shaq on bowen because is one of the worst free throw shooters in the league, it worked great, but dallas was missing on the other end...they did cut into the lead...they also got SA into a lot of foul trouble early in every quarter, even the third they were over the limit with about 8 minutes left...when you do that, youll often be trailing because you arent running your offense, yet your trying to draw fouls, the idea behind that is that you get them over the limit, they have to make subs, it takes the fans out of the game, and you put your great shooters on the line...they shot 49-50, and hit 49 in a row...DNelson coached an amazing game...when they were down 20, it looked as though they were never worried, because they were gettin what they wanted and knew that late in the game, sA would be in a lot of foul trouble

Ginobli had 3 in the first half, he couldnt hold finley or van exle....duncan scored alot because of the zone, and not doubleing fast enough, but they did defend the others well

[Rockenreno]

sorry, I don't respond well to insults. I enjoy a good, civil debate though.

The Spur's free throw shooting is their achilles heel. I still don't know how a small forward can shoot 40% free throws. Then again I never liked Bruce Bowen... except when he is getting into Kobe's head, that's fun to watch

I still stick by Spurs in 6, Duncan is just too good, and the Spurs are always great come playoff time. Maybe I'll watch the next game instead of the box scores just to supply a better argument.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Bruce bowen led the league this year in 3pt shooting...and then he shoots 40% for free throws for the season, lol....he has range...he should shoot them like Van Exle, cause he stands like 3ft behind the line when he shots

[GELLIS2586]

Altough I am very biased to the mavs I think theyll win in 6 or 7 depending on tomorrow nights game. The mavs are a rolercoaster team and play the best under pressure. I do think the mavs don't play good enough defense cause if they did they would be the best in the league because they flow as a team and are very deep. And their big guys (La-Frentz Bradley) dont do muchbut Bell and Najera are both good defenders and hustlers. I think Nick has been the key to the team in the playoffs he had 4 games straight with 30 or more points. I think mavs will end up winning the ring because they are a fighting team. SA is good but if the mavs show up every game and hustle on defense and offense not just offense then the mavs got it won in 6 or 7

[RefriedNismo240]

New Jersey just went up 2 games to none on the pistons. Both games were won at Detroit. Ive been with the nets since opening day and they are goin all the way.

im hoping to see a mavs vs nets final match:D

[GELLIS2586]

Thatd be a good series cause both play similar run and gun games. Both make alot of points off transitions and fast breaks. But i still think the mavs will win over the nets because the mavs are so deep.Not to dog on the nets at all

[C-Kwik]

well the wizards are gonna be national champs....

one day :rolleyes

lol i'm not even a wiz fan anymore...:-\

Wizards? There is a team called the Wizards? :pface