California AGAIN? Why am I not surprised?

[AZhitman]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/12/sc ... flag-bike/

"...citing complaints from other students..."

I've got a better idea - Expel whoever complained. Simple and tidy.

[heliochrome85]

im sorry, but who cares? like seriously. there are bigger concerns in the world other than a story that gets the feigned anger all whipped up.


somewhere someone is burning a flag. quick, how fast can we get Glenn Beck on the scene?!?!

[AZhitman]

*I* care. It's very indicative of the "bend over" mentality of some people.

It has to stop. Leave this kid alone - he did nothing wrong.

No offense, but maybe where you come from, the flag means nothing. Not the case here.

[mattblancarte]

im sorry, but who cares?

Thankfully, the community surrounding the school and plenty of adults who caught wind.

The school supervisor that asked Cody to remove his flag was concerned with his immediate safety. Apparently, she had heard that Hispanic teenagers were threatening to engage in violent crime over the matter.

I'm not sure if the kids who were threatening Cody were pursued in tandem with the order to remove the flag, or if that only happened after the outcry.

Seems to have been blown way out of proportion by the media, though.

[AZhitman]

Apparently, she had heard that Hispanic teenagers were threatening to engage in violent crime over the matter.

Expulsion. Plain and simple.

You wanna dabble in domestic terrorism, you little pricks? You want to commit HATE CRIMES (yes, I hate the term, but let's turn it around, shall we?)

I think the unspoken position (and I'll speak it, because I don't give a damn) is this:

You're here enjoying our freedoms, our capitalism, our safety, our liberty, our security. You could just as easily be in your country of origin. You're FORTUNATE to be here. Therefore, ACT LIKE IT.

(...and before anyone gets all pissy - Yes, I consider myself, as a second-generation American, fortunate to be here as well.)

[telcoman]

im sorry, but who cares? like seriously. there are bigger concerns in the world other than a story that gets the feigned anger all whipped up.


somewhere someone is burning a flag. quick, how fast can we get Glenn Beck on the scene?!?!

I don't believe anything coming from fox
Only MSNBC and The New York Times for me
Any channel that has to claim fair and balanced usually is not.
Who believes that anyway?

Telcoman

[heliochrome85]

msnbc is nothing to be proud of. and the nyt has been slipping.

real news comes from the christian science monitor, the economist, the atlantic monthly, the new republic, those sorts of souces, where they arent in it for attention grabbing headlines, or to promote their own version of the truth to further their ratings.

[BusyBadger]

msnbc is nothing to be proud of. and the nyt has been slipping.

real news comes from the christian science monitor, the economist, the atlantic monthly, the new republic, those sorts of souces

Your mail must be slow, it's been The Atlantic for a while now. Just finished reading an article from the October issue by Michael Kinsley this morning (my mail is slow too, it seems) that was great. It's cool the The Atlantic dropped it's article block so that anyone, subscriber or no, can read the archives.

I agree with your choices there. The CSM gets referenced by more favoured media all the time and why it isn't more widely read by the masses I've no idea, must be the "C" in CSM that frightens them away. I am surprised that WSJ isn't on your list.

[IBCoupe]

Christian Scientists make the news all the time, what are you talking about?

I kid.

But as to the OP: this issue came up a few months ago when some kids wore American flag tee-shirts on, if I recall, Cinco de Mayo. I can't get to the link, but part of the problem back then was that they were trying to incite anger by doing so - "They did this last year, too" said one girl. Don't know if there's any similar tension here.

[AZhitman]

If "Cinco de Mayo" was a real holiday, I'd care. It's not. Most Latinos don't even know why it exists.

It's no different than "Veinte de Febrero".

As for me, I won't have my kids bound to any specific behavior (or avoidance of certain attire) because of the FEIGNED OUTRAGE (aka "tension") of some group who's desperately searching for something to be offended at... or to blame external forces for their own dissatisfactions.

[C-Kwik]

Expulsion. Plain and simple.

You wanna dabble in domestic terrorism, you little pricks? You want to commit HATE CRIMES (yes, I hate the term, but let's turn it around, shall we?)

If only it was that simple. Speculatively, since I don't know all the facts, the school may not know who has been making threats or "complaints". Not to mention there has to be some reasonable semblance of proof. Imagine if the school did expel them and they had no reasonable evidence. That would just have lawsuit written all over it. The other edge of the sword here is that if they did follow through on the threats, then the kids parents can easily cause an uproar and perhaps file a lawsuit since the school has a responsibility to keep the kids safe within their control. Since the school had knowledge of the threats, a lack of action could be construed as a form of negligence in such a case. I agree with you in ideology here but the reality is much more complex. If anything, the action could buy them time to find the kids making such threats while protecting that kid from harm.

[AZhitman]

Understood, and agreed.

My rant would be reserved for the eventual meeting behind closed doors involving the students and their parents.

[IBCoupe]

If "Cinco de Mayo" was a real holiday, I'd care. It's not. Most Latinos don't even know why it exists.

That point wasn't relevant back then, and it isn't relevant now. Rabble-rousers will rouse rabble, and school administrators have a responsibility to try and defuse it.

[IBCoupe]

I have another question, though: what's with all the schoolchildren in California waving flags around? I don't recall that kind of behavior growing up. There was a flag over the school, in each classroom, and flag decorations were put up around Veteran's Day. But I don't remember anybody sewing it onto their backpacks. I don't remember anyone streaming one from their bicycle. Maybe we were all just commies.

Or maybe we didn't have parents who lived only to start crap in order to get on FOXNews.

[AZhitman]

If "Cinco de Mayo" was a real holiday, I'd care. It's not. Most Latinos don't even know why it exists.

That point wasn't relevant back then, and it isn't relevant now. Rabble-rousers will rouse rabble, and school administrators have a responsibility to try and defuse it.

And as such, expulsions would be appropriate.

Same as pulling the fire alarm or putting gum on Susie's chair.

Susie grew up to be a big butch lesbian, BTW. Who knew?

[AZhitman]

I don't remember anyone streaming one from their bicycle. Maybe we were all just commies.

What you did there - I saw it.

Dunno, I had a Confederate flag number plate on my bicycle. Maybe they're just rabble-rousers?

[srellim234]

AZ complaining about California AGAIN! Why am I not surprised?

It's getting very old, AZ. Exactly when did Arizona achieve absolute perfection? Or are you just incapable of turning a critical eye at your own state?

[srellim234]

As to the flag issue, the kid was not ordered to take it off his bike and it was not just because it was a flag. They asked him to take it off citing his safety from sources that hadn't been identified yet. Investigate, identify who the danger is and deal with them. Just as they are doing in this case. In the meantime, you don't let the kid keep placing himself in a possibly bad situation without telling him and also informing of what he can do to avoid getting "jumped" until you've had time to deal with the others.

If you watch the interviews you'll find that adults in the family ran to the press before any adult even met or talked with any school official. Sounds like it was blown totally out of proportion from what it really was as a result.

[AZhitman]

AZ complaining about California AGAIN! Why am I not surprised?

It's getting very old, AZ. Exactly when did Arizona achieve absolute perfection? Or are you just incapable of turning a critical eye at your own state?

Invalid and irrelevant. I can be a damn good auditor and still not maintain my own checkbook.

In other news... LEAVE CALIFORNIA ALONE!

[stebo0728]

In other news... LEAVE CALIFORNIA ALONE!

[IBCoupe]

In the meantime, you don't let the kid keep placing himself in a possibly bad situation without telling him and also informing of what he can do to avoid getting "jumped" until you've had time to deal with the others.

This.

If you watch the interviews you'll find that adults in the family ran to the press before any adult even met or talked with any school official.

That whole itty bitty text thing where I made the FOXNews reference? I hadn't actually seen the link; didn't work at work. It's funny how predictable these stories are.

[heliochrome85]

predictable stories are predictable.

hear that sound? thats the sound of a republican crying.

after teh gay sex.

[AZhitman]

It's all lulz until it's some foreign-born kid who's getting picked on. Then it's cereal bidness.

[heliochrome85]

syria-ll bidness if you must.

[AZhitman]

[heliochrome85]

hang on, i think i have a pair just like that. no freaking joke...




last trip to cerea, i borrowed by Grandpa's glasses for a mini photoshoot. i think they worked out well.

[AZhitman]

Spec-tacular.

Side note: You look like a cross between Bud (Cold_Zero) and Seth (Eikon)... Handsome devil.