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Gentlemen - I understand your frustration, and I honestly share your concerns. However, any harassment of our advertisers by mods or members will be dealt with firmly and swiftly. Furthermore, negative hearsay by non-customers will only add fuel to the fire and I will deal with those members firmly as well.
I STRONGLY feel the customer bears the responsibility of doing his homework before he lays hard-earned cash on the line. I am NOT a babysitter, and NICO is NOT going to be held responsible for any poor business dealings. You wouldn't expect us to deal with TireRack or Joe at Scottsdale that way, and we'll not do it for our small businesses either. Consumers need to protect themselves. Period.
I will check out Cameron's business in the very near future as a COURTESY - not a requirement. I will be glad to check out individual engines prior to the transaction (for a small fee to cover my time and travel). I have no vested interest WHATSOEVER in whether NSR does well or not, and I will be as objective as possible - If he ain't got it, you'll hear it from me. If he's got good motors for you guys, you'll hear that as well.
That's as fair as I can be, and I think you'd all agree (those of you who know me and my three-year dedication to NICO, would all agree that I'm a fair and honest person.
Feel free to email me off-board with any additional concerns you may have - Otherwise, this matter is, for the time being, done.
I STRONGLY feel the customer bears the responsibility of doing his homework before he lays hard-earned cash on the line. I am NOT a babysitter, and NICO is NOT going to be held responsible for any poor business dealings. You wouldn't expect us to deal with TireRack or Joe at Scottsdale that way, and we'll not do it for our small businesses either. Consumers need to protect themselves. Period.
I will check out Cameron's business in the very near future as a COURTESY - not a requirement. I will be glad to check out individual engines prior to the transaction (for a small fee to cover my time and travel). I have no vested interest WHATSOEVER in whether NSR does well or not, and I will be as objective as possible - If he ain't got it, you'll hear it from me. If he's got good motors for you guys, you'll hear that as well.
That's as fair as I can be, and I think you'd all agree (those of you who know me and my three-year dedication to NICO, would all agree that I'm a fair and honest person.
Feel free to email me off-board with any additional concerns you may have - Otherwise, this matter is, for the time being, done.
Folks,
I went ahead and deleted some of these harrassing posts.Not just because Cameron is a sponsor (a term I prefer over advertiser, because it more truly reflects what they do for us).
Even a non sponsor posting in BST, will get that courtesy from me that I will delete harassing or disparaging posts and I do it all the time.
The very fact that Cameron is here, shows how is making things right and is offering his best deals he can to our community.
Also I dont consider it spamming, he is simply excited, that he has good stuff coming in and feels his prices are good.
Like greg said: in a few days, greg will even go see those clips and tell us about them.
Also lets not forget, that many many engine importers had problems in the last year.
Witness the disaster that befell Afterdark Tuning, a company that was started with high hopes by popular members here, Flashoption's various issues, witness Venus' problems and others.
I (and I am sure others) will note that NONE of the people posting harrassing posts, are current or former customers.
This in itself, should tell us something.
I hold no ill will, to anyone from this little interlude, after all, all those posts were made at night and we know how that sometimes goes.
Fred..
PS: Gentlemen, please no posts arguing this with me here , but feel free to email me at [email protected] if you feel the need. thanks
I went ahead and deleted some of these harrassing posts.Not just because Cameron is a sponsor (a term I prefer over advertiser, because it more truly reflects what they do for us).
Even a non sponsor posting in BST, will get that courtesy from me that I will delete harassing or disparaging posts and I do it all the time.
The very fact that Cameron is here, shows how is making things right and is offering his best deals he can to our community.
Also I dont consider it spamming, he is simply excited, that he has good stuff coming in and feels his prices are good.
Like greg said: in a few days, greg will even go see those clips and tell us about them.
Also lets not forget, that many many engine importers had problems in the last year.
Witness the disaster that befell Afterdark Tuning, a company that was started with high hopes by popular members here, Flashoption's various issues, witness Venus' problems and others.
I (and I am sure others) will note that NONE of the people posting harrassing posts, are current or former customers.
This in itself, should tell us something.
I hold no ill will, to anyone from this little interlude, after all, all those posts were made at night and we know how that sometimes goes.
Fred..
PS: Gentlemen, please no posts arguing this with me here , but feel free to email me at [email protected] if you feel the need. thanks
Well all the harrassment posts were deleted before I read this, but... as one of the people involved in the whole mess I just wanted to say that Cameron is working hard to correct the situation. I'll admit there were a few times I just sat there thinkin oh my god I just got screwed out of 4k... but then Cameron kicked it into high gear and has had excellent communication with me anyways, and has been working hard to fix the situation. Now I'm not trying to defend him or say that everything is Peachy as it comes... but he is working hard, the situation is just about solved... and once this first shipment arrives I'd be willing to bet that buying from him will be SAFE, and WISE. ok well thats all I had to say.. flame me now if you want.
well folks the NICO banner will be comming off my car, i will nolonger represent or advertise for a group that refuses to help protect their community instead only look out in the interest of getting paid and dont care who tha money comes from or the track record they hold,
its one thing to take their money give them a banner its another to keep people from seeing opinions that questions ones business ethics and wether or not they are legit, of course if people only see the positive side they will assume its a legit business. but in this case thats not the truth , the truth is that they have no track record , sure hes working hard. im sure i would too if i had the federal law on my back with fraud cases pending .
im not bashing, im trying to provide other members food for thought, you say its up to the consumer to do the research on a particular busines and for them to decide if that business is good enough to order from , but when a business almost entirely only exists on a message forum, and when all the negative or posts with people complainging are deleted how can one get accurate research on that business? all they will find is a bunch of stuff saying cool when in reality its a money maching that takes and never gives.
ok im done now delete this entire commercial post please Ca mods cause thats how this section should be run , with no comercial posts with out aproval of the CA section mods,
its their section let them moderate it.
admins, step off and let them do their work. if you dont like their descions then why even have them,why not mod it yourselfs
its one thing to take their money give them a banner its another to keep people from seeing opinions that questions ones business ethics and wether or not they are legit, of course if people only see the positive side they will assume its a legit business. but in this case thats not the truth , the truth is that they have no track record , sure hes working hard. im sure i would too if i had the federal law on my back with fraud cases pending .
im not bashing, im trying to provide other members food for thought, you say its up to the consumer to do the research on a particular busines and for them to decide if that business is good enough to order from , but when a business almost entirely only exists on a message forum, and when all the negative or posts with people complainging are deleted how can one get accurate research on that business? all they will find is a bunch of stuff saying cool when in reality its a money maching that takes and never gives.
ok im done now delete this entire commercial post please Ca mods cause thats how this section should be run , with no comercial posts with out aproval of the CA section mods,
its their section let them moderate it.
admins, step off and let them do their work. if you dont like their descions then why even have them,why not mod it yourselfs
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The rules are to treat one another with respect and dignity. Do you honestly think that a ripoff artist who was just out to get everybodies money would come back here? Honestly, how close minded are you people? Life happens. There always have been and always will be uncontrollable circumstances. I'm not saying that Night's reputation shouldn't be taken into consideration. I encourage that it should be. But I also think that people need to look at the whole picture and realize that he is doing everything in his power to try and rectify the situation. You don't see flashoptions here do you? Where's afterdark? How about NomoreMR2? They're all long gone. But Night came back. And to have the balls to face up to his past and present himself here takes a lot of guts and it shows, to me anyway, the he is legitimate in is attempt to reconcile his history and try and make a good name for himself. I would like for it to be known that I have no connection to Night and have never spoken with, much less done business with him. But I do know what it's like to be ripped off. I think that if you are in this hobby for too long, you're going to get ripped off in one way or another at some point. I guess I just feel that it's sad that whenever a person/business comes onto our forums without a flawless track record they are treated as if they are hostile and are out to get us. Can't we all just get along... 
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Jon, spare me your pompous bullsh!t.
You're completely missing the point. NONE of the posts pissing and moaning were from people who had actually done business with the man. NONE. Why would I leave posts up by someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about?
You know my rule, and it's more than fair: Open discussion, by people who HAVE done business with the advertiser in the past. Otherwise, you're just making noise.
"A group that refuses to help protect their community instead only look out in the interest of getting paid"? (your quote again) You have gotta be freakin' kidding me. We bust our a$$ to help save you guys some money and this is the response... Unbelievable.
Jon, do you KNOW for a fact that this business has the "federal law on his back with fraud cases pending?" (your quote) Do you? If so, please share with me your reliable source of information - I'd love to hear it. If not, zip it.
Just to show that you're incredibly WRONG about me, here's my offer: Get those who have been "ripped off" to post their experiences here. They won't be deleted. Will that make you feel better? Equal time and space for both sides. Then you can quit sniveling.
And BTW, when I want your opinion on how to administrate this forum and how to interact with our moderators, I'll be sure to contact you. Until then, step off yourself and do what YOU do best - Give good, expert advice on the 240 to people in need.
It's posts like this that make me question why we invest so much damn time into a forum, for your enjoyment, and all we get in return is Monday morning quarterbacking and criticism.
I'm so pissed I can't see straight.
And siddhartha, you can take your handful of posts and have a permanent vacation if you don't like it here. :rolleyes
You're completely missing the point. NONE of the posts pissing and moaning were from people who had actually done business with the man. NONE. Why would I leave posts up by someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about?
You know my rule, and it's more than fair: Open discussion, by people who HAVE done business with the advertiser in the past. Otherwise, you're just making noise.
"A group that refuses to help protect their community instead only look out in the interest of getting paid"? (your quote again) You have gotta be freakin' kidding me. We bust our a$$ to help save you guys some money and this is the response... Unbelievable.
Jon, do you KNOW for a fact that this business has the "federal law on his back with fraud cases pending?" (your quote) Do you? If so, please share with me your reliable source of information - I'd love to hear it. If not, zip it.
Just to show that you're incredibly WRONG about me, here's my offer: Get those who have been "ripped off" to post their experiences here. They won't be deleted. Will that make you feel better? Equal time and space for both sides. Then you can quit sniveling.
And BTW, when I want your opinion on how to administrate this forum and how to interact with our moderators, I'll be sure to contact you. Until then, step off yourself and do what YOU do best - Give good, expert advice on the 240 to people in need.
It's posts like this that make me question why we invest so much damn time into a forum, for your enjoyment, and all we get in return is Monday morning quarterbacking and criticism.
I'm so pissed I can't see straight.
And siddhartha, you can take your handful of posts and have a permanent vacation if you don't like it here. :rolleyes
daaaaaayyyyyuuuuummm! Valid point! Can you hear him now? Nope noone seems to ponder my point of view
What are the rules for this forum? is there a "rule book" I could read? What hitman says goes, nothing else. lol
This is true, my experience with scammers is that they pretty much just drop ANY and ALL forms of contact, that includes a forum. did you see how long nomoremr2 was on the Mr2 forums before he finnaly came over to us? over a year or so. hell i even talked to him every night for monthes i thought he was the real thing also, i would have almost trusted him enough, but not with so much money at once
Do you honestly think that a ripoff artist who was just out to get everybodies money would come back here?
yes, yes i do, nomoreMr2 did. did you know he was a CA moderator didnt even own a 240sx, had his CA for a week never even assembled. yet was a mod, even after he had ripped off many on the mr2 froums he went back for more, he ripped off nathan, he was a mod for a month or more still after this, he proceeded to delete all the negative stuff about him before many of us could catch it.
Maybe he will turn himself around, yes it could happen, maybe i could even become a customer, again could happen, my main beef here is that nico is taking money from a company that cant prove they can come through, a company that seems already is overloaded, and by providing them an advertising banner that will maybe get them even more overloaded , as night contiues to recieve orders and payments but can hardly handle the couple orders already backed up monthes.
im trying no to bash night or his fledgling company anymore, my foucus turning mainly to pointing out the fact that Nico is being irresponsible by offering up companys as sponsors giving their backing and giving potenial customers the false representation of a good reputation when one is in reality not present. yes i know it cost money to run the site, but is it worth sending people you thought were friends to people you dont know yourself if you can trust them ? i know i wouldnt recommend to my friends to goto a company that i my self may have doubts about it , and i certainly wouldnt take money from that company to do it either.
Jon, spare me your pompous bullsh!t. I will not, im here to question the answers given , to raise eyebrow make people scratch there heads and give things a second thought.
Why would I leave posts up by someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about?
its called critism, it gives a person or company a way to maybe come back and make them selves look better, challenge me offer up a debate a good conversation show your sincere and not just fly by nite. and i know what im talking about for the most part.
you're just making noise
silent noise indeed, some one must be the one to upset the calm or else everyone would go down with out a sound.
You have gotta be freakin' kidding me. We bust our a$$ to help save you guys some money and this is the response... Unbelievable
Quote »seams like every forum I been to theres a angry mob crucifying him. Hope you get every thing worked out night.[/quote]
sponsors that have been Flashoptions, lots of money lost. Afterdark, lots of money lost, night7, lots of money in the air there. maybe that was a low shot but i gota say history seems to repeat it self in here alot.
i was simple stating i feel its iresposible to back a company with such controversy as some that you guys back up ...
Jon, do you KNOW for a fact that this business has the "federal law on his back with fraud cases pending?" (your quote) Do you?
no i dont know that for a fact, maybe i shouldnt have stated it like that but im sure i read about people organizing some sort of legal answers.
Will that make you feel better? Equal time and space for both sides. Then you can quit sniveling.
no cause he shouldnt have posted a comercial post in here in the first place, hes got a banner that should be enough. i mean it takes up half the content in the forum im sure people see it .
And BTW, when I want your opinion on how to administrate this forum and how to interact with our moderators, I'll be sure to contact you
why i didnt know my opinions meant so much to you! im flatterd
Until then, step off yourself and do what YOU do best - Give good, expert advice on the 240 to people in need.
i guess im pretty good at getting a rise out of everyone , maybe i should stick to this ! nah... ill stop after this. i kinda like being able to acess at leas the Ca section... if i still can after all this .LOL
It's posts like this that make me question why we invest so much damn time into a forum, for your enjoyment, and all we get in return is Monday morning quarterbacking and criticism.
why? cause your a diehard enthusist you love to do it, and critism and that quarter backing thing(not sure what you meant there) is part of the job, hopefulley you can take it to heart and learn to do your job better because of it, remember if noone ever critiqued (sp?) you , you would never know if you were doing a poor job or not, and would never get the chance to better yourself.
I'm so pissed I can't see straight.
calm down man dont have a stoke, im trying to raise your blood pressure yes but not trying to kill you , not yet anyways. and im also trying to get you to expand your view on things , look at it like you were a regular member one who only sees the outer workings of the Nicoeniety .
What are the rules for this forum? is there a "rule book" I could read? What hitman says goes, nothing else. lol
This is true, my experience with scammers is that they pretty much just drop ANY and ALL forms of contact, that includes a forum. did you see how long nomoremr2 was on the Mr2 forums before he finnaly came over to us? over a year or so. hell i even talked to him every night for monthes i thought he was the real thing also, i would have almost trusted him enough, but not with so much money at once
Do you honestly think that a ripoff artist who was just out to get everybodies money would come back here?
yes, yes i do, nomoreMr2 did. did you know he was a CA moderator didnt even own a 240sx, had his CA for a week never even assembled. yet was a mod, even after he had ripped off many on the mr2 froums he went back for more, he ripped off nathan, he was a mod for a month or more still after this, he proceeded to delete all the negative stuff about him before many of us could catch it.
Maybe he will turn himself around, yes it could happen, maybe i could even become a customer, again could happen, my main beef here is that nico is taking money from a company that cant prove they can come through, a company that seems already is overloaded, and by providing them an advertising banner that will maybe get them even more overloaded , as night contiues to recieve orders and payments but can hardly handle the couple orders already backed up monthes.
im trying no to bash night or his fledgling company anymore, my foucus turning mainly to pointing out the fact that Nico is being irresponsible by offering up companys as sponsors giving their backing and giving potenial customers the false representation of a good reputation when one is in reality not present. yes i know it cost money to run the site, but is it worth sending people you thought were friends to people you dont know yourself if you can trust them ? i know i wouldnt recommend to my friends to goto a company that i my self may have doubts about it , and i certainly wouldnt take money from that company to do it either.
Jon, spare me your pompous bullsh!t. I will not, im here to question the answers given , to raise eyebrow make people scratch there heads and give things a second thought.
Why would I leave posts up by someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about?
its called critism, it gives a person or company a way to maybe come back and make them selves look better, challenge me offer up a debate a good conversation show your sincere and not just fly by nite. and i know what im talking about for the most part.
you're just making noise
silent noise indeed, some one must be the one to upset the calm or else everyone would go down with out a sound.
You have gotta be freakin' kidding me. We bust our a$$ to help save you guys some money and this is the response... Unbelievable
Quote »seams like every forum I been to theres a angry mob crucifying him. Hope you get every thing worked out night.[/quote]
sponsors that have been Flashoptions, lots of money lost. Afterdark, lots of money lost, night7, lots of money in the air there. maybe that was a low shot but i gota say history seems to repeat it self in here alot.
i was simple stating i feel its iresposible to back a company with such controversy as some that you guys back up ...
Jon, do you KNOW for a fact that this business has the "federal law on his back with fraud cases pending?" (your quote) Do you?
no i dont know that for a fact, maybe i shouldnt have stated it like that but im sure i read about people organizing some sort of legal answers.
Will that make you feel better? Equal time and space for both sides. Then you can quit sniveling.
no cause he shouldnt have posted a comercial post in here in the first place, hes got a banner that should be enough. i mean it takes up half the content in the forum im sure people see it .
And BTW, when I want your opinion on how to administrate this forum and how to interact with our moderators, I'll be sure to contact you
why i didnt know my opinions meant so much to you! im flatterd
Until then, step off yourself and do what YOU do best - Give good, expert advice on the 240 to people in need.
i guess im pretty good at getting a rise out of everyone , maybe i should stick to this ! nah... ill stop after this. i kinda like being able to acess at leas the Ca section... if i still can after all this .LOL
It's posts like this that make me question why we invest so much damn time into a forum, for your enjoyment, and all we get in return is Monday morning quarterbacking and criticism.
why? cause your a diehard enthusist you love to do it, and critism and that quarter backing thing(not sure what you meant there) is part of the job, hopefulley you can take it to heart and learn to do your job better because of it, remember if noone ever critiqued (sp?) you , you would never know if you were doing a poor job or not, and would never get the chance to better yourself.
I'm so pissed I can't see straight.
calm down man dont have a stoke, im trying to raise your blood pressure yes but not trying to kill you , not yet anyways. and im also trying to get you to expand your view on things , look at it like you were a regular member one who only sees the outer workings of the Nicoeniety .
when I see all these bad experiences people have tryin' to buy these old parts, I can only shake my head and wonder... somethin' must be fishy because buying these old parts is a simple transaction. How can u screw that up ?I go to the importer. See what they have. Pay money. Take merchandise.Us local guys get together and price motors individually. I'll go to the importer with cash in hand, swing a super deal, and drive off with, 3,4,6 motors whatever, and drop 'em off. Everyone's happy. Never a problem.
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Somepeople think it's good business practice to sell what they don't have in hand yet, but what the 'will' have, which is what got most of these companies in trouble in the first place. To do so is bad business, but if you know the company you're purchasing from is doing so and you continue with the transaction, that is no fault but your own as far as I'm concerned. Now if that information is hidden from you, then that is a totally different story. I personally would NEVER give a company money for an item that they couldn't hold in their hands as I was talking to them. I highly reccomend that others do the same.
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Here's the bottom line: Criticism OR PRAISE of a company, by the uninformed will NOT be tolerated.
You said yourself you DON'T know all the facts, so let's leave it at that.
If you can get actual customers who lost money to post here, fine. Otherwise, it's hearsay, which amounts to libel, and NICO won't be party to it. NONE of our sponsors are that well-known to us when we bring them on board. What would you say if TireRack screwed up someone's order? How about 5star Shine? How about Joe? See where I'm going here?
Jon, you don't do anyone any good by rabble-rousing. Your fellow NICO-nauts are smarter than you givve them credit for. You're not the "great protector", and people can figure things out for themselves. NSR is going to succeed or fail based upon how Cameron handles his business - Let him do so without all the "noise" coming from people who don't know what they're talking about (which you readily admitted to).
Your "charges and fraud" comment was WAY out of line, given your lack of backup. I read somewhere once that TacoBell uses raodkill meat in their tacos - But if I stand in front of a Taco Bell with a sign that says so, I'd better be prepared to face some severe consequences. Keep that in mind.
If you won't listen to reason from me, because of my position, at least listen to float - He makes some excellent points.
Let's let this thing go - Anyone who has done (or is doing) business with NSR is welcome to post their experiences. Beyond that, we're done discussing this in a public forum.
p.s. I'm surprised you missed my compliment in my last post, Jon - You're slipping.
You said yourself you DON'T know all the facts, so let's leave it at that.
If you can get actual customers who lost money to post here, fine. Otherwise, it's hearsay, which amounts to libel, and NICO won't be party to it. NONE of our sponsors are that well-known to us when we bring them on board. What would you say if TireRack screwed up someone's order? How about 5star Shine? How about Joe? See where I'm going here?
Jon, you don't do anyone any good by rabble-rousing. Your fellow NICO-nauts are smarter than you givve them credit for. You're not the "great protector", and people can figure things out for themselves. NSR is going to succeed or fail based upon how Cameron handles his business - Let him do so without all the "noise" coming from people who don't know what they're talking about (which you readily admitted to).
Your "charges and fraud" comment was WAY out of line, given your lack of backup. I read somewhere once that TacoBell uses raodkill meat in their tacos - But if I stand in front of a Taco Bell with a sign that says so, I'd better be prepared to face some severe consequences. Keep that in mind.
If you won't listen to reason from me, because of my position, at least listen to float - He makes some excellent points.
Let's let this thing go - Anyone who has done (or is doing) business with NSR is welcome to post their experiences. Beyond that, we're done discussing this in a public forum.
p.s. I'm surprised you missed my compliment in my last post, Jon - You're slipping.
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