CA performance ques

[PantherRacer]

The CA18DET's 20kW power deficit to the SR20DET can be easily bridged with a few aftermarket bolt-ons. Just whack on a 3-inch exhaust, high-flow intake and you should have it all over the standard SR - expect around 160kW.

If you want to take things further, our next step would be an upgrade intercooler and a bit more boost. For anything over about 180kW you'll need a bigger turbo, management upgrade and a revised fuelling system.

Autospeed Magazine, October 1, 2002. Issue 200

What else would you guys say would take the CA to the performance of a nicely modded SR? say 260+hp?

I have the choice of either a CA or SR powered 180SX, and the CA is the one with the sunroof + it's cheaper!

CA= only mod listed is a turbo timer & 17" alloy rims

SR=AM/16inch Alloys, Remote Key, AM/Exhaust, Turbo Gauge, Boost Gauge, Original alloy inside punched tyre,AM/Pedals ,AM/Steering(Momo Race),Boost Meter (Blitz),Turbo Timer(trust), AM/Muffler(Blitz nur spec),Exhaiust manifault,,AM/Air cleaner

what is your opinion?

[JustinStrife]

Well what do you plan on doing with it? And the SR will have more torque because of the slightly bigger displacement.

However, the CA has a timing belt and is damn near bulletproof(since I found out i got a bad timing chain in my KA powered S14 I'm thinking of CA'ing it)

[biosehnsucht]

Timing belt is easier to deal with but the engine is still an interference engine; if the timing belt were to go (rare, unlikely, unless you race (as in real track/etc driving 11/10ths not street) the piss out of it nonstop for months or years and never change it) valves + pistons = broken

[RMiller]

Obviously the SR car you're considering will have much more power because it has many more upgrades. I would choose based on how big of a price difference you're looking at between the two. To get a stock CA to about 260 Whp you will need: -DSM fuel injectors (or alternative) $50-t28 turbo used $350 -walbro fuel pump $90 -front mount intercooler or ARC sidemount about $300 (I would definitely go with the ARC if you don't want more than 260whp because you don't need to fab up piping)-z32 maf, filter, adaptor $120-ROM tune $50-ebay exhaust $300-joep boost controller $40 This will get you there, just bolt it on and go. However, if your goals are 20 hp lower you can get away without the rom tune, z32 maf, and injectors. Everything here is about $1300, but for 240 whp (or something close) you're looking at about $1100. The other car w/ the SR is good for probably 210 whp as is. It will need a better intercooler and fuel pump. Also consider that whatever you install yourself you will know is done right.

[biosehnsucht]

Also consider that whatever you install yourself you will know is done right.

More like you know how it's done - and even that is sometimes not a sure thing

[RMiller]

Haha I almost said that exactly.

[iliketocrash]

if you know people it helps cut cost as well. and on top of that there are other small things you can do to cut costs. Such as make your own mechanical boost controller for $12 or less. Also, DSM injectors can be easily had for $30, but that might be just around were i live. i dunno.

[PantherRacer]

cool, can you bump a CA up to 2 litres? I'm going to a technical school so I can learn all about car maintenance so my friends and I will be working on whichever car I get ourselves.

well my car will be a daily driver and a night-time and weekend warrior. scince we only have a drag strip, and it's only open on sundays. the guys go out in the middle of the night to do soem real racing.... I want to be able to smoke my friend's turbocharged teg' which can keep up with an EVO3.

that and those damned turbocharged honda civics...

[biosehnsucht]

You could try to go to 2litre, but I wouldn't.. too much trouble..

You can hit 1.9 easily tho, I'm rebuilding my motor with 84mm pistons (1mm overbore) which gives '1.9' in manufacturer terms (really its 1853cc)..

[float_6969]

A company called Tomei makes a 2.0L stroker kit, but to be completely honest, if the price is close on those two cars, I'd ge the SR. There's A LOT more aftermarket support for it and that car sounds like it's on it's way to the power goals you've got set already. That just my opinion...

[Xero]

there's some big inefficiencies in the CA18DET. turbo sucks, intercooler blows hot air, switching out the basics can pull you up to where you want.

[r34 gtr]

and always plan on spending quite a bit more money than youre supposed to. euroboy estimates $1100-1300, so allow for up to $2000 being spent. nothing ever goes according to plan - at least for me anyway. how much is the price differance? to be safe, my price list would go like this:t28 turbo - $500-600450cc dsm injectors - $50 or 550cc - $300boost controller - $<100intercooler - $300BOV - $100exhaust - $<500 (or muffler shop it for about 100)walbro 255 - $110z32 maf, adapter, filter and plug - $200safcII - $200 or $100 for a rom edit.and dont forget stuff like intercooler piping, oil lines for the t28, new intake pipe for the t28, etc..

- tim

[RMiller]

I spent about $4.5k not including the car and I have the setup tim just listed plus exhaust. I went budget on some stuff and I also bought some new, really nice stuff. I got a nice intercooler for free. It also includes maintenance stuff I bought. By comparison, an SR is about 2k-2.5k for the motor alone. Could use stock turbo and injectors to get to 250whp and spend a tiny bit more than a CA. Cost difference is minimal, but the CA is lighter and more pimp.

[float_6969]

Everyone, to the Pimpness of the CA!!!

"...Go on brush ya shouldaz off!"

[PantherRacer]

interesting....as for pricesCA 180- $1,400SR 180- $1,977

marine ins(for CA 180)- $50

shipping-$1,230

TOTAL CIF price(CA) $2,680 customs-52% of car pricemy budget-....JOKES!

I'm also thinking I could buy the CA 180 and if the engine doesn't work out for me I can sell it to finance myself a SR though I do like the CA

[boost_boy]

SRs are expensive now because of their rarety and will hold their value till the bitter end. If you're going to leave your car stock and just enjoy it the way it, get the SR powered vehicle. If you want something that you won't mind opening up the engine and getting curious, get the CA. Both put out great power, but one's more expensive and not the most maintenance friendly for the novice DIYer. I'm a CA man, but I respect the SR20DET and its accomplishments. And you do not need 2 liters or 1.9 liters of CA to smack up no integra or another SR20. The tuner has control of the engine. You control the funding and you can take a mechanically stock CA and do wonders with it; even wear-out a few vettes and others who have big power.

Dee

[PantherRacer]

I need to find out what my boy's brother did to that integra, cuz it sounds like he's puttin a whuppin on lot's o' ppl aroun his section of the island...I wonder if he went up against any of the pulsar Gti-R's of those turbo 240's yet? bet they'd shut him up quick.

well I'm going to college in hopes of owning my own tuning shop one day, so I won't be a novice DIYer for long.

thanks fa tha help! I won't refuse anytidbit lol