bully dog power pup

[suby01]

before i start this thread id like to say first off fu cobbtunning. ok now that thats off my chest and many of you know exact reason.

so i found the nissan bully dog power pup.

tunning software for our G's also. after several emails and phone calls to the techs there i decided to pick one up.

should have it in a week or so.

here are the specs of the software.

http://www.bullydog.com/produc...85/57

any thoughts questions comments on this.

my full review vids of course and everything else will be posted asap.

[Triton3.5]

I will be awaiting any info you have on this Suby, with great anticipation!!!!

[joker350gt]

nay, i heard tehnosquare is coming out with something for the 3.7 VQs

[tollboothwilley]

Suby, doesn't Cobb have one out that works for the 07??

I thought they did.

Its the 2003 and Early 2004 that is the big problem...

Anyways, excited to hear your reviews. let us know...

[4drsleeper]

Suby,

Where the heck is our update. Surely you got this thing by now.

[suby01]

i just put it on today. they were doing the tune for me all week, i was waiting for a map.

quick update. they said at least 12whp on the HR engine. plugged it in updated. took my rev to 8K. did the highest tune to premium gas, and changed over my top speed limiter put it to 145mph.

this thing is ridiculous, breaks your neck in first gear. more updates and vids soon. but so far for the first hour im happy.

[Triton3.5]

WTG Suby!!!! please continue to let us know about this,,, and also how your car likes it!!!!!! Can't wait to here more.....

[suby01]

ok more official update. got the power pup from bully dog.

you have to download upgrade software off their website. takes about 5 mins.

then plug in the uploader to the pc and update that to the current version. takes about 5 mins.

then plug it into the obd port on the car reads your engine map and then begins to tune it.

after reading the map takes about 5 mins

it said that i needed to contact bullydog for a file update

(and depending on the ecu version in the car they have maps worked out.

of course mine was a completly different map that they havent had a tune for yet. )

i called them gave them my ecu code that was on the programmer and they said that they will make a map for me in a few days...two days later called them back they had the tune all set just needed to test it out R&D. told me to call back at the end of the day next day. called them back tune was alllllllllll settttttttt emailed me the tune uploaded that to the programmer again no more than 5 mins, plugged it into the ecu and the fun began!

read ecu then asks you what you want to do..change rev limit..can make it go up or down from 4k-8k..changed mine to 8kchange the top speed limiter from 40-180mph. changed mine to 145mph.then the tune 3 maps stock, low setting any gas grade, and full tune premium gas grade 91++, i use 93. i went with the full tune.change idle rpm..i left that stockthen it asks you if you want to change timing +-2 degs i left that alone.

installed and made changes took about 20 mins. and said uplug and start your car.

started it up let the car fully warm up, and took it out. and from the stop my car already pressed me into the seat when flooring it now this with my friend in the car not fully sitting back into the seat when i floored it whipped the neck back in first. so we knew the tune worked some increase in power.next was the redline stopped and floored it again went all way up to 8k. so that worked. and last test was the @!@% speed limiter at 130mph. first highway run. hit 145mph in 4th at only 7k rpm. so there was deff room for more. put about 500 miles on the car so far since i got the tune and no complaints so far. deff a recommend for the price for the HR motors. the tech said i should get with the stock engine 12whp and with my mods about 23whp.

questions comments.

[tollboothwilley]

Just for the HR motors or what?

I'd like an option for my 2003 that I still have nothing besides the technosquare.

[suby01]

Infiniti 3.5L V6 G35 ‘05-’09so it will work on some DE engines but most gains id say for the HR

[tollboothwilley]

I called them. They support 05-09...which is most likely the Rev-Up and HR motors only. They don't look like they will go back any further either.

Technosquare is the only option I've got STILL....damn.

[WESIDE]

Hey Suby, Any new info or updates on the tune? I am very interested in this new find of yours. I am really thinking about putting some money towards the bully dog. Seems that this is by far the best tune you could do yourself for the G. Thanks. Wes

[suby01]

ummm on a stock HR motor they said it showed 12 whp. i told him my mods, and asked him what i should expect he said they had a similar G with intake full exhaust and showed 20 whp. again it all depends on the car some Gs are different stock whatever.

as far as my car..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUIzb2R9T8M

[uprev]

My whole problem with is is "they say it'll do 12hp".

I agree the bullydog is probably a better choice than the Cobb unit:1. because they actually have support.2. because it's effectively the same thing for less money.

That said, Uprev supports the 03-08 G/Z car with an overall better solution for the same money as the Cobb and slightly more than the BullyDog.

We don't currently have the Osiris Standard for the HR motors at this time, but that has to do with our standards rather than availability. A single tune doesn't work on multiple cars. Each car has it's own requirements and no two cars are exactly alike. We only offer Osiris Standard once we have a reasonable number of base tunes created so we can try to match a base tune to the customers vehicle. Thats the reason why when you order our product that you fill out a form stating your modifications. Static tunes do not work on newer vehicles. Cobb has been taken to the cleaners on the Nissan vehicles because of it. You can't do that to newer NA cars and expect happy customers, some of the customers notice losses in power when using the Cobb or Bullydog.

The tune they built for the OPs car was just a copy of a tune they made for another car they had at their facility. If it didn't have the exact same mods, then there is no way that tune is even close to correct for the OPs vehicle. One thing they aren't offering is to verify the tune on your car with datalogs and adjust it if needed. It's very rare that we get back datalogs from a customer than don't need to be adjusted.

OP what would you do if you took your car to a dyno and didn't get 12hp gain over stock?

To note: Technosquare does the same base tune stype stuff but you have to mail them in your ECU. Cobb and BullyDog offer hand held units that you can do the base tune yourself. Neither Cobb nor BullyDog offer forced induction tuning support. Technosquare does offer forced induction support but unless you're at their facility in So CA, you can't readily have a dyno tune performed. Static tuning on NA vehicles is a poor choice, static tuning on forced induction vehicles is borderline mental.

We offer a large variety of solutions with our product, it is very flexible. We do not make HP quotes because it is unreasonable to tell a customer they will gain any certain amount of power without having their car on the dyno and being able to prove it to them. Also every car is different and frankly you may have something as simple as a bad fuel injector causing the tune to not work properly, if you can't datalog and diagnose the issue, or adjust the tune, how is it that you as a consumer will be satisfied?

We have a number of Pro Tuners world wide and the list is only growing. You can get a base tune for less than any of the other tuning manufacturers, though we would be much happier to see you get a proper tune via Osiris Standard that we can verify and adjust. Or get a dyno tune that will be the most accurate and correct tune for your vehicle. We even support forced induction because our software has more control than any other manufacturer. If they had our level of control they would offer it, but they don't. The only other company that has forced induction support doesn't offer dyno tuning at facilities world wide, and their solution is more expensive.

[WESIDE]

So what are you offering with your tune? Whats the catch? The big advantage that I see with the bully dog is the option to tune back to stock or performance as need be. Any other tune would needed to be returned to the facility where the tune software is located at.

[uprev]

So what are you offering with your tune? Whats the catch? The big advantage that I see with the bully dog is the option to tune back to stock or performance as need be. Any other tune would needed to be returned to the facility where the tune software is located at.

What do you mean whats the catch?

We're offering a tune. But a tune isn't a tune. There are quality levels and technical capability involved. Your best bet is to contact a local Pro Tuner and talk to them. They are generally very well versed in the real world differences between the systems.

Back to stock is a feature of our system, and anyone that has a Cipher cable or access to a Cipher cable can perform the same thing. You do not however need to purchase a Cipher cable if you're not worried about flashing the car back to stock. Someone who has a twin turbo system doesn't need to go back to stock as it would kill the motor, and they can save $300 by not buying Cipher.

[WESIDE]

So the catch being... Where can we tune? How much is the tune? How much is this cable? And if we only purchase this cable we have no access to the software ourselves to reverse our tune. Please enlighten myself as well as our other members. It is very convient for a tune like the bully dog to be able to convert tunes on the fly at home whenever need be. It cost time and money for one to have to pay a shop to re-tune as needed. I understand forced induction applications may need a dyno tune but na vehicles would be an exception.

[WESIDE]

Please bring a little more info on this tune before you start bashing plug and play tunes. Thanks

[suby01]

My whole problem with is is "they say it'll do 12hp".

I agree the bullydog is probably a better choice than the Cobb unit:1. because they actually have support.2. because it's effectively the same thing for less money.

dear uprev sales representative. 1 thank you for jacking my thread. 2 regardless if the unit gives me 1 whp or 100whp. thats not your place to say that because you sell a different product and consumers such as myself should be aware of power gains from certain products. ex. intake yielding 15 hp. etc.. all this thread was a informational session for other fellow g drivers. as far as my car goes, to briefly summarize by assumptions i have made is that i have some bolt ons with which i was able to get 20whp over stock. now with this add on, the butt dyno for myself and others in the car with a before and after is a lot faster than the added 20whp.

now as far as me making my decision, i actually did contact your company uprev for a tune/program. i was told that it is not available and it would be best for a custom tune at one of your facilities, and per request you do not have any in my area being the northeast CT, i guess people dont have cars here or something. i live 10 mins from a cobb tuning facility which is where i have all my work done, i would of gave them by business like stated in some my other posts I HAVE PAID the facility thousands of dollars in advance for a promise for the programmer and custom maps/tunes and them working on my car for several days and they were unable to provide for whatever the reason being regardless if you provide it also or not. a car enthusiast like myself when looking for car parts will do research for what is currently available and then.............purchase it.

where as currently bullydog is the only plug and play available for my car i would of personally loved going with techno square but thats a entire ecu reflash with something that i am not comfortable doing to my car. and for uprev doing fi cars?? comments on that can be included in the forced induction section of this forum.

[4drmadness]

nice subyy!!! congrats on the new gains. U should dyno and see how much u made. I always love to see the numbers increase. How much did u spend for this?

before i start this thread id like to say first off fu cobbtunning. ok now that thats off my chest and many of you know exact reason.

so i found the nissan bully dog power pup.

tunning software for our G's also. after several emails and phone calls to the techs there i decided to pick one up.

should have it in a week or so.

here are the specs of the software.

http://www.bullydog.com/produc...85/57

any thoughts questions comments on this.

my full review vids of course and everything else will be posted asap.

congrats

[4drsleeper]

Suby. I'm also interested in the dyno numbers since you and I have the exact same mods...except I haven't bought the power pup yet.

[WESIDE]

[uprev]

Please bring a little more info on this tune before you start bashing plug and play tunes. Thanks

I did bring the info, maybe you didn't read it?

Plug and Play tunes are not safe, if you cannot wrap your mind around that I'm not sure what you don't understand, feel free to ask questions.

[WESIDE]

You said there was some cable to buy, that was it. Please try reading my prior post to this and enlighten us. Seems like Suby already tried to contact you about this and was not so impressed.

[cheapazz]

Did you see the price on e-bay?? $375 I think? Anyway.....did you have to ask for a custom download or do they have a list on their website to download from (for specific mods and such)? Think I'm goin for this one!

Did you notice where it says you can adjust the idle and timing on multiple vehicles?? Hmmm.......
Modified by cheapazz at 4:15 PM 4/24/2009

[tollboothwilley]

Osiris (Uprev) is the overall best choice for 99% of G35 drivers. Now, their support is not complete for all years of the G unfortunately...but every car out there that has an Osiris tune so far has been better. Plus, if you have cruise control, it allows you to change back and forth between 5 different settings.

That being said...I hate them (and every other tuner besides technosquare) for not supporting my car.

[cheapazz]

Mine is scheduled to arrive on the 4th. Will let y'all know how it goes.

[tollboothwilley]

Glad you're getting a tuner. I wish I could get one. I am gonna have to go out to Cali and get it tuned sometime... Its either that or change out the ECU/wiring harness and stuff.

[cheapazz]

Got my tuner Mon. , Updated it on Tuesday morning (vista is a PITA sometimes) and here is MY report.

In my opinion, this is not just some "tune in a box" like the superchips for my truck was. The tunes they have come up with are specific to the vehicle/engine setup. The options for my car were different from the OP's options in that my rev only was allowed to go to 7100 max and my top speed was 180 max. This is because I don't have the rev-up in my '05 AT coupe. I think everything else was the same. Advancement on timing allowed, idle adjustments allowed. Premium tune, standard tune or stock tune. No WOT adjustment YET.....but they have it for the V-8 engines for Nissan.

I went with the premium tune and 2* advance on timing. Up'd my limiters to max (180 speed and 7100 rpm).

I will give it a few days to set into my car before I say for sure if I feel any differences....

OH yea!!......Almost forgot.....it came with a kewl hard plastic case so you can take it everywhere with you!!!! that was the clencher.

[G_whizz]

KEWL!!

let us know how it works!!