Building a 2000-3000rpm spooling 400whp car?

[Ohio_S13]

What type of suspension mods do you have?

If you have a good set of tension rods, new steering rack bushings, and coilovers you will have a very good steering feel/feedback.

Front end weight is just one part of the equation. The SR/KA will both sit pretty far back in a 240sx (as will most engines) so that weight doesn't sit on the front of the car. I have enough space between my radiator and motor I could use it as a 2nd trunk.

[a_ahmed]

Well as comical as this thread was heh, especially that pipe dream pic :P it's been more than a month since i last asked this funny question.

I spent about a month researching, planning and budgeting a kat build... realistically it would cost 8000$ canadian dollars to build a reliable daily abused like hell 400whp build with alot of low end (as suggested with a gt32). I also looked at other options like the GT35R, etc...

All in all, I thought to myself and said... I will feel like I did a waste in the end. No offense to KAT peeps, your cars are purely AWESOME, just not what I want...

The extra weight and upper limits of what I can do with a kat turns me off... sorry. yes the weight matters to me that much...

I considered an SR20DET AGAIN, putting aside how much it would cost (no limit on budget while researching... and well if it was the right choice for my goals id invest in it regardless of price...) What was the solution?... a stroker kit.. 2.2L, 2.3L but again that would just most likely lower the rpm rev range.. maybe not if built right but again no... the lower weight still did not pull me in towards the SR... I never liked SR's lack of torque it just sucks... *gets shot*

I thought to myself again.. why not go with RB25DET.. considering how much I'd spend on a KAT build up of my goals and everything on paper... but again the weight turned me off.. absolutely not. RBs are awesome but overrated...

I am sold on the LS1 V8 swap.. and that's the direction I'm going.

Honestly I consider the KA a better motor than an SR if built right.. I don't know if I should use the word 'better', but certainly due to it's larger displacment it can produce awesome torque. I looked at Jrho's STS/SM build up and it was proof of what a great responsive KAT can be had with the right stuff.

As I said in another thread, the KA has a funny power band... it drops off power like CRAZY with the stock cams, but produces INSANE low end... then with race/turbo purpose built cams and a few other mods that can be taken care of, but again the bottom end will be lost.

Another thing being, 400whp with the low end on tap is the upper limit and after what... so much intense rebuilding/tuning/etc... If I want more... eg; running GT35R or even bigger for that matter... 400whp+ onto -> 600whp... i will say bye bye to the low end.

Furthermore the weight DOES bother me... the KA is already fatter than an SR... slap a turbo, IC, IC piping, the whole shabang and you'll easily add 70lbs... sorry this is the one thing that ultimately turned me off, this and the fact that 400whp is more or less the limit if I want to have low end and responsiveness like that of jhro's STS/SM car.

So.. conclusion? After seeing daft's S13 LS1 V8 and a bunch of other LS1/2/6 V8 swaps.. I am completely sold.

There is no replacment for displacment sadly.. although turbos are awesome.

As one user's signature said "Horse power sells cars, but torque wins races". precisly right! Genius and true saying :P

The thing that sealed the deal is the fact that a T56 rocks... plain and simple, the LS1 V8 rocks plain and simple, and the whole package is LIGHTER about 70lbs (if i recall?) than a KA.... so yup...

KAT fully built block and head, tuning, v-mount, the whole shabang -> 400whp responsive/etc... or 600whp low end lost -> 8000$ plus or minus

LS1 V8 -> Pretty much stock with light mods as suggested in this thread actually with LS6 components -> 400whp, responsive as hell, flat 1000rpm+ monster torque... lighter weight!

I have a 30,000$ budget on my car project, it's not a in one year project, so its paced... this includse chassis work, suspension work, brakes work, engine/drivetrain work... i've got a plan and budget and its not a pipe dream, just cautious, as I most certainly would regret spending 8000$ and have a car topped out at 400whp And 400whp is insane... but, I want to go all out on this car so, I want to maximize that 30,000$ canadian dollar budget and goal as much as possible. Get the best of it in other words, not waste money.

The fastest car I've driven is a viper srt10 (not mine obviously)... it rocked... but i want better

So LS1 V8 it is, now as I've spent a month researching on a KAT build up... I will do so for the LS1/2/6 V8 buildup (too bad an LS7 engine alone costs 15,000$ hah... that one is a pipe dream... for now.. but LS1 is not
Modified by a_ahmed at 5:00 AM 8/5/2007

[Kckouki]

Twin Turbo LS1, dooooo ittttttttt !

[a_ahmed]

lol no i wont do a LS1 TT, i dont want an all out drag car... although possibilities with enough money on tap are endless... Say that to someone who has an LS V8 swap first I am just researching/budgeting at the moment hehe. But LS swap it is 100%

There's a skyline that was built for drifting... i believe..... it has an LS1 TT. Monster x1000.

[Kckouki]

Yup, its that red r34 in austrillia.Sweetness.

[180sxfaktory]

OP, no offense, but you are just waffling around on this. You are contradicting yourself from your original post up to now. Jumping from this engine to that engine back to this engine and on to another completely different engine. As for one engine being inferior to the other, that's all speculative. It depends on the application. 2000-3000 RPM and 400WHP? It's gonna take more than an engine to get that. You lightly touched on intercooling and FM and VM configuration. If the design and the piping size is not matched to the output of the turbo, you're gonna have issues of heat soak, lag or a host of other things that can go wrong. Proper suspension tuning, air/fuel mapping, exhaust tuning, engine build, etc all go into the car's equation on what is going to be the end result.

The weight of the S13 is already light. Have you ever stripped one down completely and had it on a lift? With one hand, you can lift the front.

I'm not a braggart, but I work with the S13 everyday, and my daily driver is a 180SX that puts out a max of 215 whp. I use, build and maintain SR, and I didn't get into them because everybody else said so. I started with R32 Skylines and then moved to CA-powered 180SX. Every one of those cars did what it was supposed to do, and they all had strong and weak points. All of this talk about one engine being superior to another is just BS. Yeah, if you put an engine into a car that was never designed to hold it and then install the wiring with a bunch of cancellations, the engine is never gonna meet it's factory rating or beyond. I see it everyday on the road. Nothing worse than seeing an old school Nissan with an RB or SR swap and it never meets its full potential because the owner installed everything half-a$$ed. It's a shame when one of these cars gets smoke checked by a Yaris or a Toyota Corolla. It's also a damn shame when a Porsche Sportser gets smoke checked by me and my plain jane DD, it's also a shame when a 911 cannot completely leave me in the dust, and it's also a shame when I can take my daily driver to Bahrain International Circuit and do 16 consecutive passes down the 1320 on pump gas and street tires (14.92 best time) without stopping in the pit area except for a piss break and these other guys cannot make one decent pass (it's called proper balance, proper tuning, proper build and ensuring that the power-to-weight ratio is optimum). Ok, that sounded like bragging, but the point of it is to tell you that a car with everything working in harmony and balance is going to be the clear winner (OK, some driving skill goes into that, too)

I think that you just need to start on a path and get it done. The folks here can help you.

[180sxfaktory]

how to spin tyers ALL the way to 125 KMh (70 mph)......?

here is your answer.....

http://s162.photobucket.com/al...9.flv

killing a '06 Z06....

http://s162.photobucket.com/al...4.flv

http://s162.photobucket.com/al...5.flv

don't forget one thing....STAY AWAY from the ''over priced-lagggggggggy-hard to deal with crap'' A.K.A SR20DET...

thx

Ok, Ali... I'm gonna call you on that, so when you come here to Bahrain, we'll see how laggy the SR is in my DD. Three runs... dead stop, rolling and 5 car distance. After that, you can make your own assessment.

[SilviaConFb]

Sigh, I'm gonna throw in my two cents.

Agreeing with the gentleman above every motor is gonna have its pros and cons.

I personally would stick with the motor that came in the car. The engineers at nissan obviously took the weight of the motor into consideration, in which it interacts in the distribution of weight and its part it plays in how the car handles overall.

And saving money on grabbing a stock sr you could put into a Ka-t which seems like you want more torque in the low end, work with bolt ons and tune it. if you want some high end power on top put a larger turbo on for your top end speed.

[sharkethic]

KA is a much stronger block

[wa-chiss]

sory...but how in god's name a 2.0 L going to spool a X turbo to make 400rwhp under 3 K rpm's....?

if i were you get this...

LS1 + T56 6 spd trany....thewn do this :

1- intake : swap a LS6 Or LS2 intake Or get a FAST 90mm intake.

2- heads : swap an MTI (2E i think) head's.

3- cam : Put a G11X5 cam.

4- get a GOOD tunning.

result :

you will make 410-440 rwhp depnding on the tune..... <-- @ -1 Psi...lol

or a KA-T with a GT32...you will make ~400rwhp around 5Krpm (i think)

hope this help...

Ali

EDIT:

505rwhp @ 1500rpm's... :



LINK:

http://www.kennebell.net/super...e.htm

beat that SR boy...lol

You sir obviously FAIL at reading a dyno chart. 505WHP? 505tq.Looks like 525whp @ 6,500rpm. on the first chart and 568whp at 6,400rpm

[hungryjoseph]

i didn't read the thread.

NA ls motors > kat, sr, rb, ca, vq

[eDmSiL80]

if your building a ka or sr...just slap a gt2871r on there and youll have close to the same spool your lookin for.

[austins240]

i didn't read the thread.

NA ls motors > kat, sr, rb, ca, vq

^ lol

dude, you want light and powerfull get a bike. you complain about having this magic number of 400 whp but lighter than the stock configuration. you need to figure out what you want. to get something exactly like you deiscribe, 400whp and light, lots of low end and high end you are going to have to drop serious money.

who doesn't want these things? everyone is the same. no one says "i want less power" or "i want my car to weigh more". you are not a pioneer but i think your information may be skewed.

you think the LSx is lighter than a ka or sr? might want to check on all that again. last time i checked this was the bare block LSx and no transmission compared to the fully loaded KA with transmission (minus AC components). but that was a while ago. unless someone can show me some scales side by side..... and i know the LS series weighs a lot more than an SR. unless the LSx motor has all of it's parts shaved down (block, intake mani, crank, rotating assy) and is paper thin

you want crazy torque, low end and high end you will have to go LSx and probably turbo or SC or both.

you think SR's are laggy? i am pushing 388whp, come on over and i'll give you a ride. you will be surprised at what a fully built engine can get you (ergo SR/CA/KAT). i am full boost at about 3500 rpm.

and why do you need low end torque if you are going to be on the track? when will you be below 3000rpm if you aren't hitting the pits? i guess i just don't see what it is you are getting at. might want to re-evaluate what the car will be used for.

i am being kind of a d!ck, not my intention. but i was pretty upset reading this post. you are trying to re-invent the space shuttle. you can if you have enough money!!!

[180sxfaktory]

^ lol

dude, you want light and powerfull get a bike. you complain about having this magic number of 400 whp but lighter than the stock configuration. you need to figure out what you want. to get something exactly like you deiscribe, 400whp and light, lots of low end and high end you are going to have to drop serious money.

who doesn't want these things? everyone is the same. no one says "i want less power" or "i want my car to weigh more". you are not a pioneer but i think your information may be skewed.

you think the LSx is lighter than a ka or sr? might want to check on all that again. last time i checked this was the bare block LSx and no transmission compared to the fully loaded KA with transmission (minus AC components). but that was a while ago. unless someone can show me some scales side by side..... and i know the LS series weighs a lot more than an SR. unless the LSx motor has all of it's parts shaved down (block, intake mani, crank, rotating assy) and is paper thin

you want crazy torque, low end and high end you will have to go LSx and probably turbo or SC or both.

you think SR's are laggy? i am pushing 388whp, come on over and i'll give you a ride. you will be surprised at what a fully built engine can get you (ergo SR/CA/KAT). i am full boost at about 3500 rpm.

and why do you need low end torque if you are going to be on the track? when will you be below 3000rpm if you aren't hitting the pits? i guess i just don't see what it is you are getting at. might want to re-evaluate what the car will be used for.

i am being kind of a d!ck, not my intention. but i was pretty upset reading this post. you are trying to re-invent the space shuttle. you can if you have enough money!!!

Yeah, mang!

I think that more than 75% of the reader/user base has no idea what 400 whp is like. It's that generalized figure that someone pulled out of the hat and said that's what they want. Hell, 300 whp is a lot. Even 200 whp feels like rocket speed in an S chassis. I deal with this everytime a potential client comes in wanting us to build a go-fast machine. I sit down at a coffee shop with them, order sheesha and start the question/answer session. My first rule is that I do not want to waste their time and my time if they are not serious. Once I get a feel for what is in the client's head, I'll tailor something, jot down some figures, ask what previous experience they've had (easy to verify; Bahrain is small) and in what car(s), give them a parts list, costs, time and what our labor fee is. If I get the excuse that it's too much, I fire back that usable, realistic horsepower, fine tuning and high standards in craftsmanship is not cheap. I've got a sign that I am going to be putting up in the garage that says "Don't waste our time, and we won't waste yours."

[a_ahmed]

OP, no offense, but you are just waffling around on this. You are contradicting yourself from your original post up to now. Jumping from this engine to that engine back to this engine and on to another completely different engine. As for one engine being inferior to the other, that's all speculative. It depends on the application. 2000-3000 RPM and 400WHP? It's gonna take more than an engine to get that. You lightly touched on intercooling and FM and VM configuration. If the design and the piping size is not matched to the output of the turbo, you're gonna have issues of heat soak, lag or a host of other things that can go wrong. Proper suspension tuning, air/fuel mapping, exhaust tuning, engine build, etc all go into the car's equation on what is going to be the end result.

The weight of the S13 is already light. Have you ever stripped one down completely and had it on a lift? With one hand, you can lift the front.

I'm not a braggart, but I work with the S13 everyday, and my daily driver is a 180SX that puts out a max of 215 whp. I use, build and maintain SR, and I didn't get into them because everybody else said so. I started with R32 Skylines and then moved to CA-powered 180SX. Every one of those cars did what it was supposed to do, and they all had strong and weak points. All of this talk about one engine being superior to another is just BS. Yeah, if you put an engine into a car that was never designed to hold it and then install the wiring with a bunch of cancellations, the engine is never gonna meet it's factory rating or beyond. I see it everyday on the road. Nothing worse than seeing an old school Nissan with an RB or SR swap and it never meets its full potential because the owner installed everything half-a$$ed. It's a shame when one of these cars gets smoke checked by a Yaris or a Toyota Corolla. It's also a damn shame when a Porsche Sportser gets smoke checked by me and my plain jane DD, it's also a shame when a 911 cannot completely leave me in the dust, and it's also a shame when I can take my daily driver to Bahrain International Circuit and do 16 consecutive passes down the 1320 on pump gas and street tires (14.92 best time) without stopping in the pit area except for a piss break and these other guys cannot make one decent pass (it's called proper balance, proper tuning, proper build and ensuring that the power-to-weight ratio is optimum). Ok, that sounded like bragging, but the point of it is to tell you that a car with everything working in harmony and balance is going to be the clear winner (OK, some driving skill goes into that, too)

I think that you just need to start on a path and get it done. The folks here can help you.

Sorry but every pound counts to me, and the lack of torque to me is unacceptable.

Feeling power only at about 4000-45000 in an SR to me sucks its just my opinion. It's too expensive and failure happy (like every heavily built engine put to the max, after all... 2.0l engine pushing 400-600whp... its just asking for trouble).

And the KAT just adds to much weight im not putting it down it can be an awesome build but just not wort the money and result i would put in. The RB is great but again too much weight.

Mostly the low end to high end (obvious downfalls of a lower displacement and spooled engine) and weight are the pros and cons to me, custom installation is not of an issue. The LS1 seems to be perfect to me...

A v8 is just fantastic with its flat torque curve... and its NA.. .and best of all its light compared to the general options so it sealed the deal to me... One would assume in their ignorance its sooo heavy, but damn in a LS1+T56 configuratio n its lighter than a KA (at least according to silviav8 guys, almost a 100lbs). It's even more or less more compact in the engine bay.

Light+power = win

My car is completely stripped by the way. Every pound makes a difference to me and I can feel it, so nope another 70lbs on a KAT is a no no especially at the front end..

Not arguing your experience, its superior to mine 100%, but just I have different goals an SR's lack of torque to me is inadequate. Every engine does have pros and cons, its just that the LS1 V8 seems to only have pros to me, the only con is the swap itself, its all custom, but woopie do

After much thought and spending about a month seriously researching my options and the KAT, I am sold on the LS1, the end /problem solved I don't care if its not a stock engine or not factory engine or whatever, a car is a car to me, making it faster and better is all I care about, not what engine or part is import or domestic or whatever. I love all cars honestly.

And last but not least, I'm not contradicting myself, I am just thinking. 400whp will not ultimately satisfy my goals, everytime i do something to a car i want more. Spending 8000$ canadian dollars to build a reliable 400whp kat is just not worth it, thats the upper limit if i want low end, anymore and ill either like some suggested go supercharged to make up for the low end (more weight added hell no!), and go bigger turbo (like the gt35r and bigger to achieve 600whp).

So nope... its not going to be a drag car, but I want it to be fast, so it has to be light and yes im sorry but frickin 30lbs dropped from the front end made a difference in turn in for me, so HELL NO am I going to add another 100lbs or so to the front end, and I intend to cut up the front of the chassis to loose more weight... I just don't feel right about adding more weight and hitting the upper limit on the kat... 400whp is just the beginning with an LS1 = better option, done deal A FULLY RELIABLE more or less stock setup with that kind of power AND lighter. Hassle free imho, alhamdulillah

I'm not going to waste 8000$ and not be happy about it, nope. Too bad Money comes and goes, but it sure doesn't come easy hehe, plus I'm married
Modified by a_ahmed at 3:47 PM 8/5/2007

[burntricer]

to the OP. if you want power and nearly instantenous...what about a sequential TT setup, like a small *** CA t25 (full boost on an SR by 2200 rpm) then have a monster on the other side

and why has no one talked about the 2J?

[Ali 556]

all i'm gonna say...is way your are bulding the car....? for a fast DD...the SR/KA-T will do that...

if you want to loss traction ALL day long get a LSx...

if you want a high way killer swap a 2JZ from a supra.....

also if you want to run 8's on the 1/4 go 2JZ...

check wghat you realy want then post ok...dawg...?

Hope this help

Ali

[Ali 556]

Ok, Ali... I'm gonna call you on that, so when you come here to Bahrain, we'll see how laggy the SR is in my DD. Three runs... dead stop, rolling and 5 car distance. After that, you can make your own assessment.

nah man...you got it wrong....any way i'll visit you at the end of this month (inshallah) b/c my car will arrive on 24/8/'07...so will see...

Regards,

Ali

[austins240]

yeah, i feel you there dale. that's good that you will actually spend the time to have coffee with a customer/client to make sure they know what they want and are getting into.

OP:one problem with cutting up your frame "READ: Speed holes" is you will significantly reduce your chassis strength and your handling will go out the window. you can re-inforce it but the added material over stock will add more weight than you remove unless you do a full tube chassis and fiberglass body.

regardless, an LSx swap, if it's for you and you are set on that being what you want, go for it. I would suggest you try to get a ride in somones car before hand who has the swap, with tuning on the DYNO at 400ish WHP.

tuning is were my motor get's it's power. and feeling power from 4K rpm? are you serious? if you hit the gas in my car, you better be in 3rd or higher. or be on an open *** road. i'd say you notice power from 2k-redline (8.4K) with a SLIGHT drop off at redline due to only being a GTRS turbo.

you need to get some butt dyno time before you throw out all of your options. the only reason i would reccomend KA is for the shim on bucket design. RA and HLA FTMFL!!

but you have been dead set on the LS, get a build thread going and let us know what you think!

[a_ahmed]

Well goal for the car is unlimited class road racing/time attack and my personal joy ride over the summer when I feel like it. 30k whole project budget.

The car is currently stripped and mildy modified with upgraded suspension, brakes and other misc things, stripped interior, but with a stock engine (not that I care too much while getting a feel for the chassis).

I've driven SR and KAT powered 240s, and well, the KAT eats SR all day imho, the torque difference is immense. When I said 4000rpm, I meant the SR's lag/lack of power lol... yeah it can have a high rev limit but whatever.

In conclusion why spend 8000$ on a kat heck even an SR (lets just say) when I can spend that money on a stock LS1 which is lighter than a KA in NA form not to mention KA with turbo and other components.

Every pound I lost over the car (I've removed 300lbs+ I have the calculations/weights of everything somewhere on the computer) made a huge difference... that I could feel. Removing 30lbs from front end alone made turn in more and understeer less... so yeah.

Adding 70lbs+ to the front end is not my philosophy. I believe in less weight = more results.

Like I said why spend 8000$ and still hope something doesn't blow at 400whp+ when the LS1 is lighter and more or less stock with that kind of power. Simple really.

And about cutting front end, well I intend to brace it, tube it, there was two people on nico if i recall who have done it. They are down to 2100lbs or something with their cars though... pretty slick.

I have my whole car project planned/budgeted in an excel file 5MB, with visuals, calculations, the whole shabang; suspension build, engine/drivetrain build (well kat is what i budgeted/planned out, now ill do LS1), aero (functional aero...), interior (seats, guages, misc things like that) brakes, wheel/tire combo, chassis work...

It comes around 20k all of the above but upper limit is 30k. So I'm pretty sure tons can be done.

Reason people go with KAT is often because its a budget project, i could build a kat with 300whp and tons of bottom end for like 2000-3000$ easily, but... to get that 400whp reliably and reliability even on that 300whp, I would have to spend 8000k$ for a proper engine buildup... not worth it imho.

Go big or go home... that's all... I don't intend to invest in something that won't make me content or will lead to failure after all work is done...

[180sxfaktory]

I really don't think you know what you want, hence you are here trying to figure it out. SR lacks torque? Man, I light them up at the drop of a hat with stock settings and a stock turbo. Plus thousands of users around the world can't be wrong.

You want 400 WHP and max boost between 3K-4K? It's gonna cost you more than $8K.

There is no such thing as that magical carton of milk that has no expiration date. This is an analogy for there is no such thing as cheap horsepower. Married? A lot of the people here are.

[a_ahmed]

I really don't think you know what you want, hence you are here trying to figure it out. SR lacks torque? Man, I light them up at the drop of a hat with stock settings and a stock turbo. Plus thousands of users around the world can't be wrong.

You want 400 WHP and max boost between 3K-4K? It's gonna cost you more than $8K.

I think you're talking about an SR, I don't want it. I have not been impressed with any SR I've driven in. Not worth the money, you are right though it would def cost 8k+ with an SR. The stock swap with engine alone would be around 3500$ with the needed elements maybe more (IC, piping, radiator and cooling, diferent exhaust, small things like that)

Look... I just don't want an SR, period. It's not worth my time and money. Even with a stroker I doubt it'll have the reliability or power of the LS1.

Quote »There is no such thing as that magical carton of milk that has no expiration date. This is an analogy for there is no such thing as cheap horsepower. Married? A lot of the people here are.[/quote]I am not interested in 'cheap solutions', hence I don't care how much it costs as long as its what i want, and i do know what i want sorry akhi.

Why spend so much money to get an SR to have 400whp+ and have it probably blow on you, when you can spend the money on a LS1 STOCK reliability with lights mods and have a flat torque curve just as light as an SR in weight, better transmission, etc...

And KAT... well i prefer it over SR definetely feels better, tons better imho, but again it has its limits, although a wonderful motor, people should not bash on it as how the SR is better than it and stock turbo.

I want an all out build with a budget of 30k, the best money can buy for best handling and acceleration and top spede Simple, low end to high end grunt and well, thats that. If I had the money about 80k lol, I would just buy the latest corvette z07 lol. It comes with an amazing engine, has amazing handling, top speed, acceleration, etc... but instead I am being smart and I can achieve relatively the same thing for less and plus it's fun to build a car

I would not waste my money building a KAT as its heavier, and an SR as its smaller (even with the stroker kit).

Again, yes I am anal about even 10lbs of weight up and down. Sorry, I don't care how someone thinks this is stupid, every pound makes a dif, like I said removing 300lbs from the car made a huge damn difference to me, I sure as hell am not going to add more weight with a kat... thats the prob, and well the sr is just not for me.

Yes thousands of people around the world can't be wrong with stock SRs and 1000s of dollars spent on building and blowing SR motors.

No need to argue akhi, jazakAllah khair for the opinions, but I just see it as a better option.

With 400whp I am pretty sure the LS1 swap will get an 11.xx sec quarter mile even, plenty low grunt to pull out of corners, and so on. Traction can be sorted no problem with the right setup including fat tires... It's lighter than a KA or KAT setup, more or less like the SR in weight... its like the best thing to consider and it can be done for under 10k.

I don't want 1million gazillion horsepower and torque at the top end and no low end. It can be done with an SR, the right engine build and supporting mods/turbo, but no thanks. Why bother, when the LS1 is more or less as light , bigger, more cylinders, etc...

Like I said I'm sold on this swap over any other...

I haven't driven any cars faster than a dodge viper and modified m5, unless shifter karts count but thats not really faster lol, but I want to definitely meet and match, and beat a viper and that won't be a problem with this swap

When it comes to handling again, the weight won't be an issue, no doubt I will get a 50:50 weight distribution with what i have in mind + cage in rear end, etc... maybe even more rear weight bias... with the cage, fiberglass front parts, and so on itll be perfect

And for those that are in belief that I don't know what I want, I want to build an unlimited class car, no restrictions and it's my personal joy ride. The end.

/end thread lol LS1 ftw. There is one local guy who is building an LS1, I look forward to his project's completion.
Modified by a_ahmed at 9:45 PM 8/5/2007

[Bumnah]

let's say you get this 400 whp motor, boosting at 2500 rpms and holding it until the redline even.

it still won't make your pen15 bigger.

Some people....

[180sxfaktory]

Did I say you wanted an SR? No, I didn't. Not even once. You are stating things about it that aren't true. $8K CD to build a go fast machine (built right) is what I am saying is not gonna happen. If you were a wrench turner, builder and someone experienced with the wide varieties of configurations that have been done with the S13/S14/S15, you would know that. Even at $30K CD, it's gonna be a hard stretch to get there even with an LS1 (you didn't even mention anything about the transmission type, drive shaft, rear end/diff and the half axles; if you are going to do this right, you would have mentioned it) unless you are doing this all yourself. If you knew anything about SR, you would have known that it maxes out in stock form around 500 FWHP instead of complaining that it is a weak engine, gutless and prone to come apart. Anything over 500 FWHP and it has to be reinforced, just like a Honda B series and K series. That goes with any aluminum block where power exceeds factory specs. CA18DET (iron block; descended from the RB and VG series) full build can handle 1000+ WHP, and you can see this is some of the drag cars in Sendai, Japan (it's a baby RB26), and there's guys in the circuit racing in Japan and Australia who are making 500-plus reliable horsepower with the CA. Yes, the CA is stronger than the SR, but twice as expensive to build (hence, not popular for the masses; only for the hard core). Usable horsepower is what I am about, and if a car in its entirety is built right and balanced throughout, usable horsepower numbers do increase. If you are totally into your car, you would know that.

You came here explaining in your opening thread that you were flamed and treated direspectfully in another forum for the same stuff you are asking and talking about here.

If you know what you are doing, then why ask? Just go out and do it and prove us wrong. There's a sense of satisfaction in that and a challenge I readily accept if this were me (but it's you). As for stating things about certain engines you know nothing about from a builder/maintainer/users point of view (first-hand), then it's best to keep the opinions to yourself. If you do this project and you want to test your mettle, come on down to sunny Cali to run against the SR and RB boys or bring that car to hot as hell Bahrain where I live and work, and we'll see what it's made of on the circuit on track day (very technical course; loved by the F1 drivers hands down) against Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, BMW, Maserati, Lamborghini and the Nissan GTR and my punk a$$. Am I doubting you? Partially, but I do appreciate the underdog and I am always open to learning. Now that you've thrown down the gauntlet, stated your course, get it done and show us!

[180sxfaktory]

nah man...you got it wrong....any way i'll visit you at the end of this month (inshallah) b/c my car will arrive on 24/8/'07...so will see...

Regards,

Ali

Unless you are gonna have that 2J swap done in a record-breaking time, I don't think so

[austins240]

As for stating things about certain engines you know nothing about from a builder/maintainer/users point of view (first-hand), then it's best to keep the opinions to yourself.

guy, build your LS1 car. I hope you like it. I haven't gotten to ride in one yet, i look forward to it. But i do have experience with the SR.

SR's don't just "blow up" as easily as you make it sound. i've seen plenty of melted pistons because these kids get one, get a MBC and boost it beyond the turbo's efficiency range and don't have proper cooling/fuel/timing/tuning done.

the weak link in my motor (proper SR setup in general) is the rocker arms. i haven't had one single issue on my weekend DD for the last 10k miles. 388 WHP. rocker arms and transmissions, yes, but not anything else.

build it right and anything will be reliable.

[180sxfaktory]

Yep, improper tuning, overboosting and other numbnuts things will kill ANY engine.

We aren't dogging you. We just wanna see where this goes. The talking is done. Turn to (get going).

[Ali 556]

Unless you are gonna have that 2J swap done in a record-breaking time, I don't think so

no,

i'll visit you with car on a STOCK form...b/c i've found a guy in bahrain how will buy the car and i'll make nice Profit....then i'll look for another one...

[180sxfaktory]

240SX zenki S14 stock KA24DE versus 180SX zenki w/stock SR, stock boost setting... What? You gonna NAWZ me to death?

Found a buyer for it here? Be careful, bro.

[Ali 556]

240SX zenki S14 stock KA24DE versus 180SX zenki w/stock SR, stock boost setting... What? You gonna NAWZ me to death?

Found a buyer for it here? Be careful, bro.

are you slow or somthing....? i'll NOT race you i'll visit your shop and check you and the shop out....

2nd i've found a HINDI guy who is wiling to take te car and i'll make a ~2500$ profit....

so how laughing now....?