Build KA or Buy Swapped SR?

[SlidnSideways]

Some of you know about the plans i had to build the KA. My brother just told me about a s14 model for sale preswapped with a SR for sale for 3 grand. The only thing about the car is its in straight primer. No paint. I called around and it will cost about 1000 to build + turbo my KA with a t28 but my car has a few rust spots, has already had the frame cut and rewelded for frame rust, and was in an accident that u can still see from looking at the twisted core support even after repairs. So my question is do i pay the 3 grand plus paint for the s14 or keep the s13 and pay about 2 grand plus paint? I figured to go with the s14 cause my car is about 6 months from completly falling apart i would say lol

[mouse]

I think you answered your own question through deductive reasoning mr. holmes. I'd take the s14, but Im just a honda guy new to the nissan world.

[virus77]

Buy the s14, sell the motor and put in a KA, hahaha. Even if you dont do this I say go for the s14.

[Nismo_Freak]

$3000 for a swapped S14... that sounds really really shady.

[JRL]

What Im doing:

Turboing the KA, using an SSA mani, and stock T25.

When the KA blows, Im switching it out for a N/A SR20DE (already have the SR mani and elbow). Everything in theory should line up except for the cold pipe. And Ill have to buy a new clutch.

Also, since SR20DE's run a distributor set up, this means I will be able to use my daughterboarded KA24DE ecu, then replace the KA24 code with SR20DET code. Pretty simple stuff.

And since OEM code for DET's are really conservative (except for GTiR's), Illl leave the timing and fuel maps the same even though it will be running slightly higher compression.

[hysteria]

$3000 for a swapped S14... that sounds really really shady.

but if you check over the car and everything looks good, it has a good clean history, the engine runs well and doesn't leak and all that good stuff then maybe you are just getting a good deal...

[SSS]

What Im doing:

Turboing the KA, using an SSA mani, and stock T25.

When the KA blows, Im switching it out for a N/A SR20DE (already have the SR mani and elbow). Everything in theory should line up except for the cold pipe. And Ill have to buy a new clutch.

Also, since SR20DE's run a distributor set up, this means I will be able to use my daughterboarded KA24DE ecu, then replace the KA24 code with SR20DET code. Pretty simple stuff.

And since OEM code for DET's are really conservative (except for GTiR's), Illl leave the timing and fuel maps the same even though it will be running slightly higher compression.

Save your money. If you want an SR, do it properly and swap a DET first go.Personally i think it's stupidity swapping out a 2.4 for a 2.0, especially when a built KA24DE-T will make the same power but have much better mid range torque than the SR.

[hysteria]

you know it all depends on what you want to do. if you're going to leave everything in the stock configuration (lets say the 7 psi range), well then the ka with a rrfpr will perform better than a sr with the same boost. i know this because i have a kat and my brother has an s14 sr and when we are both at about 7 psi my car is faster... and considerably faster.

but then again consider what you get with a sr... 370cc injectors and the ability to run 1bar (~14.7 psi) on the stock fuel management configuration with simply a upgraded fuel pump and a mbc... to do the same with the ka you'll have to upgrade your fuel setup and all, but like i said before an sr and a ka on the same boost are NOT the same...

i'd say for lower budget (obviously) the kat will cost less for you... but as always, no matter what engine you choose to build (and by build i mean tear apart and BUILD with forged internals and massive upgrades... for higher horsepower apps) you will end up spending comparable numbers to reach a certain power/torque goal. it's all up to you, but i am assuming your project is 100% budget setup so the advice i would give is to build the kat as long as it's not a junk motor. i still don't believe the sr s14 will be a good car because $3k is dirt cheap for a stock s14 that needs paint, or has minor damage, etc... an sr alone almost costs that much. be weary of deals that are too good to be true.

[hysteria]

for more info on kat vs. sr search the 100000000+ different threads where people argue about which is better and all that bull crap. an engine is an engine. if you put money into a golf cart or a lawnmower or a tricycle you can make it fast.

i've seen R/C cars go over 120 mph... and they get there FAST. then they hit a little bump and flip over. and those are 2 cycle 1 cylinder engines... R/C cars are becoming more and more like real cars. they even have 2 and 3 speed transmission's now. it's amazing.

[SlidnSideways]

Lol i talked to my friend that mentioned the car to my brother and he said it was a 98 240 with a SR in it. Scratched my head for a while and coulda sworn that 98s wernt made but figured ahhh hell i guess i can be wrong at times. My friend talked to the owner one more time and realized that he said 89 not 98 lol. 3000 for swapped sr in a 98 would be great deal...3000 for 89 isnt so great heh

[crzycav86]

It's still a good deal IMO... .at least now the scenario is less shady.

We buy/sell '89 240's for about $1500-$2000 here in houston. An sr swapped 89 for $3k is a very fair deal on your end.

[WDRacing]

I friggin hate SR swapping losers with a passion....but for $3000. I'd buy it myself. Check the compression, if its good then the motor is atleast in good condition.

This is the one time I'd say buy the SR. Take a close look at the ecu and all the wiring. Make sure this guy didn't just twist wires together and duct tape them...like I've done on some many cars...lol.

WD

[SlidnSideways]

Nah i think im just gonna pass this one up. Its still a decent deal yes but i think i would rather build the car up myself so i was sure exactly what was done to it and so forth. Theres no fun in buying a project car that already has most of the work done heh

[hysteria]

dude an sr swap itself is in no way shape or form a completed project. they are not very fast as i said before. they are fast once modified, but in the stock configuration you won't be blowing the doors off corvettes just yet. you will have plenty of work to do, so don't let that sway your opinion. if your car is in fact falling apart then this deal might be the way to go. you should consider it and really check the car over, because good deals aren't out of the question, they are just rare. a s13 with sr swap sounds more like $3k, no way you'd find an s14 with that unless it was totaled, and even then, depending on how much was done to the engine, and what all is salvageable you still may pay more than $3k.

anyhow check it out. don't pass on a good deal, if that is in fact what this is.

[Craving4Boost]

i'm going KA-T because i want my car not just fast...but quick..SR's can be fast but not quick as the KA because of tork

[SlidnSideways]

I didnt say it was completed fully i know theres always something to be done but i want to be there for major things such as the engine swap. It never hurts to know exactly how things went together and not have to worry about any type of shortcuts the person may have made. If its an absoltely great deal then hell why not but other then that i would like to be there for everything

[WDRacing]

The KA is just a better motor then the SR...nuff said about that.

[Fulcrum]

I friggin hate SR swapping losers with a passion....but for $3000. I'd buy it myself. Check the compression, if its good then the motor is atleast in good condition.

This is the one time I'd say buy the SR. Take a close look at the ecu and all the wiring. Make sure this guy didn't just twist wires together and duct tape them...like I've done on some many cars...lol.

WD

This is why I do not ride in helicopters. I am the reason I don't ride in F-16's. LOL j/k