Brand New Mustang...wow...

[AznRide]

I was driving my 91 240sx, I didn't modify it, the previous owner did. He had this gay exhaust on so it was kinda loud. Anyways, my 91 240 hasn't been running good lately (redline at 5..yea I know. It's throwing out the code 35 as well). Anyways, I was a a light and this new, spanking new stang came up to me and nodded his head. I was thinking, god damn, I wish I was in my S14 right now with my SR in it. Well, the light turned green and he waited, then took off. He must have thought I would race him or something. Anyways, this kid thinks his car is nice and picking on import, since his car is new, he doesn't know jack sh*t about his car. It's not even a GT afterall. At the next stop light, he still acting like he's the sh*t. Well, I stopped right next to him and did a burn out. He tried to do it but he couldn't, I felt kinda good after that. Just a story that I thought I could share with you guys.

[Onizuka]

the only good mustang is the SVT cobra, all the other ones handle like **** because of antiquated rear suspensions...and they weigh like 4000 lbs.

[AznRide]

the only good mustang is the SVT cobra, all the other ones handle like **** because of antiquated rear suspensions...and they weigh like 4000 lbs.

I know their handling sucks major ars, but rather than that, they all shhhheit, but I woudln't mine having a SVT...such power.

[Dano]

saw a 500whp '03 SVT Cobra the other night, no bottle, just plain badass! those things just plain dominate the dam str8 line... the viper owner there wouldnt even run the guy!!!

-Dan

[Holisticbeatz]

Well, I stopped right next to him and did a burn out. He tried to do it but he couldn't, I felt kinda good after that. Just a story that I thought I could share with you guys.

:rolleyes

LOL, his car might of been an automatic.

[Nosser25rs]

I love when people who have never driven a late model Mustang make comments like this "their hadling sucks 'cuz they have a straight axle" bs.

In reality, they handle pretty damn well, all things considered. The four-link rear in the standard (non-SVT) stangs is archaic, but Ford has had a long time to figure out how to make it work remarkably well. It definately compromises more in terms of ride quality than overall grip in comparison to a good IRS setup. Uneven pavement conditions can upset it much more easily than IRS, but in 95% of driving conditions this shortcoming is not going to rear it's head, and it easy to recognize situations where it will.

When SCC ran a GT against an ITR on the Streets of Willow, the the GT came out on top. Does it have more power? Of course, but it also has a distinct gearing disadvantage and only traps 2-3 mph faster in the 1/4 than the R, so power was not the only factor. The car just works pretty damn well.

And by the way, the only way to get a Stang up to 4000 pounds is with a Cobra Convertible, an 03 GT weighs about 3350, about 600 lbs more than a S14, deal with it.

Sorry guys, but comments like those above scream ignorance. Drive the car, then tell me it sucks.

Rant mode off, flame suit on.

[240_Keyy]

I have driven a number of mustangs (99 GT, 01 V6, Foxbody 5.0) and all of them handle like pure crap.

[AZhitman]

No flame from me, Nosser (welcome back, BTW!)

Every time I go to Bondurant I drive a Mustang, on a road course AND a skidpad AND a SCCA-style course with pylons.

If it's good enough for somebody like Bob B., it's good enough for me.

[Rockenreno]

Drive the car, then tell me it sucks.

One of my beat friends has had 2 new mustangs (95 and 2000 models, both base models). The cars are average in terms of speed, nothing to write home about. He is whipped routinely at the track. As for handling, those beasts have a lot of body roll. Overall they are decent cars (there is a reason you see 50 billion of them every time you leave your house), but I'll take a 240sx and some $$ over one any day As a matter of fact, I am taking a 240sx over one, what do you know?

[creophus]

I have test driven a couple of mustangs, one was a cobra and the other a brand new 2003 bullit. I didn't like the handling. I had the salesman in the car with me, but it just seemed like I was disconnected from the road. Maybe it's just me, but I chose the 240 over the mustang, even though I had a chance to get a really cheap mustang. I just didn't like the way it drove. Felt like I was riding on a couch with a steering wheel.

[AZhitman]

Seat of the pants "feel" means nothing.

Numbers don't lie.

[SmithSR]

The editors of magazines such as Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Road and Track should read this thread so they can see that they are now more widely read and blindly accepted than the Pope himself.

I'll take the GT with Eibach springs, sway bars, Konis, Powerslots, Axxis pads, and some sticky Toyo or Yok rubber.

[AZhitman]

They ARE correct that the non-GT 'stang is a dog. That little V6 just doesn't cut it.

I'd like to have a white '91 LX 5.0 Convertible with 16" Ronal mesh rims, Borla duals and a Paxton under the hood.

[240_Keyy]

that is true AZH, but what good is it to drive a car that is no fun to drive? My cavalier was a good second and a half faster in the quarter than my 240, but the 240 is an uminaginably more fun driving experience.

EDIT: The 5.0 may have handled like azz, but it felt fast! I would take a Foxbody just because they are insanely cheap and can be pretty frikin quick.

[AZhitman]

Very true - No disagreement there. Cavalier = :puke

The car I described above was my neighbor's car - Low 14's on street tires, and he ran some SCCA events with it. Very fun.

The Roush-prepped stangs at Bondurant are CRAZY fun to drive - Nothing like destroying a set of $600 tires in one day.

[Onizuka]

SVT's actually handle pretty good from what i hear. They are the only mustang that comes with independent rear suspension.

[creophus]

Seat of the pants "feel" means nothing.

Numbers don't lie.

Here's an expression we use at work: "Figures don't lie, but liars do figure." I'm not dogging the mustang. What I'm saying is that I personally didn't like the way it drove.

That means all the difference in the world. Of course its a nicer machine than the 240sx in many respects...well, probably all respects. The car simply didn't suit me very well, therefore I did not, and will not buy one. The 240 fit me like a glove. I took to it like I had been driving it for years. This is probably because I'm used to my 200SX. It just felt like everything was where it was supposed to be.

[Nosser25rs]

Rocken: I'm taking an s13 over one too, (if I can ever sell the Q), but that's just personal preference. The fact remains that the late model Mustangs do handle fairly well.

I will also concede that they are definately more of a handful near the limit than an S13, and require more skill to extract maximum performance. For those that feel that they "handle like pure crap", perhaps some modification to the vital component that sits in the driver's seat is necessary to fully apprciate the car's ability.

Creophus: I gotta give you that one about the couch. The leather GT seats (which most of them have) are a joke for any kind of performance driving, they look like they came out of a Towncar. However, the cloth sport seats that are standard are excellent and completely change the way the car feels to drive...the Bullitt seats are pretty good though. Are you sure it was a Bullitt you drove, as Bullitts were only available in 2001, not 2003. Speaking of Bullitts, had SCC done it's test with a Bullitt instead of a GT, the ITR would have been handed it's proverbial a55.

As far as Foxes go, now that's a poor handling car (stock of course). The only american car I ever owned was a '90 LX Sport hatchback with a 5 speed. Handling was acceptable for semi-aggressive street driving, but that was it. Snap oversteer was the name of the game if you pushed it. Brakes were miserable. The fact that the new cars share the platform of that car shows how far Ford has been able to take the chassis. The nice thing, of course, is that updating to the new components is beyond easy.

One more thing (I know, write a book whydoncha), the IRS Cobras were not all that great until '03. The previous IRS cars had geometry that was designed for a smooth ride (actually the whole rear was nearly identical to the Lincoln MkVIII) and handling was not significantly improved over the straight axle cars, if at all. From what I understand, the '03s are much better.

[creophus]

Come to think of it dude. I don't think it was a Bullit. The salesman tried to get me to drive one, but they were just rolling one off the truck. It might have been a bullit or maybe a GT. It still had the plastic on it too. Here's a clue...do the Bullits come with a convertible? This was a convertible that I drove. The salesman (crazy white boy) let the top down and the plastic was making all kinds of noise. It was very distracting. But I know about the Cobra because I drove it recently. The Cobra was MEAN, but the feel just wasn't there.

It could have been as simple as changing the seat out, I don't know. I just felt like I was along for the ride rather than in control of the car. Hope that makes sense.

BTW...the nicest car I've ever driven as far as handling was the BMW Z3. All I had to do was THINK about changing lanes or turning and it seemed like it would happen on its own.

[AznRide]

:rolleyes

LOL, his car might of been an automatic.

So you telling me that Auto cars can't do burn out? Was it me that you were referring to with the automatic or the stang? 'Cause I have a manual. I'm pretty sure he had a manual too, cause he revved at me, and guess what, he was behind me too. Typical white boy, I'd say if you ask me. If he has an Auto, he must have been neutral revved it...weird.

[Nosser25rs]

No, Bullitts were never available as 'verts, hardtop only. The fact that it was a 'vert also says a lot, as the 'verts weigh MUCH more than the hardtops, and the suspension is tuned quite a bit softer, I think both to be more appealing to the mid-life crisis/prom queen target market (no offense intended) and to put less stress on the weaker structure inherent in convertibles. Bottom line, you drove the heaviest, worst handling version of the car available.

If you do ever get a chance to drive a Bullitt, take it, it's a whole different ball game I can assure you - much beefier torque curve, better rear end ratio, higher rate springs, Tokico struts and shocks, chassis stiffening, and Cobra brakes make a world of difference. I prefer it to the Cobra hands down (at least those before '03, and maybe even after due to the weight advantage).

Also, for rwd cars, it is much easier to do a burnout in an auto than a stick. All you have to do is mash the brake with one foot and the gas with the other. Not exactly brain surgery.

[twlnbro69]

Except for the Roush all the mustangs i have driven, the brakes seemed really soft. Havent drivin a Sallen tho

[Megaseth]

They ARE correct that the non-GT 'stang is a dog. That little V6 just doesn't cut it.

I'd like to have a white '91 LX 5.0 Convertible with 16" Ronal mesh rims, Borla duals and a Paxton under the hood.

True, anything short of a GT doesnt have anything. but for the money you spend on a Saleen, Roush, SVT, or Steeda, you can have a nice handling 240. then again, the props of owning one of those bad boys is a whole other story.

As for the 5.0w/paxton, that reminds me of a few days ago when i was out driving. I pulled up next to this red Foxbody stang and it looked dead stock. even had stock wheels and stock looking exhasut, but the hood was different, it had a small inlet. then i noticed the red indiglo gauges and the small boost gauge on the a-pillar. as he took off i could hear the supercharger winding up. i just kinda laughed to myself and hoped some kid in a civic would rev on him.

[Nosser25rs]

Roush cars have stock brakes. They do offer Alcons for an ungodly amount of money but I have never seen one that had them outside of a magazine. Did the car you drove have the Alcon upgrade? If so, I should hope it had good brakes, I could buy an S13 for what they cost.

The Cobra brakes are quite good, solid and easy to modualate in my experience.

[AZhitman]

Typical white boy, I'd say if you ask me.

f*** you.

Back to the topic.

[Nosser25rs]

f*** you.

Hehe, no haters allowed

And to make this topic related, I wouldn't say a stang is better than a 240 in all regards by any means.

The 240 has better build quality, better materials quality, better engineering, and more technology to offer than the Mustang.

I never meant for this to become a discussion of which was the better car, just didn't like seeing the mustang getting trashed without any real evidence to back it up.

[jrc90240sx]

Yeah I personly think the mustang gets alot of crap. Sure there are some modles that have sucked (94-98) but even they had some potential. The newer ones handle very nice, and seem to preform well all around. I like my 240 over my friends V6 99, but his car can hang with me in the twist, and easly beats me in the straights. its kind of like this, you have a car (like a honda) that so many people have, your bound to get a dumb **** and owns one or two, that give the rest a bad name. I hate driving my friends mustang because every dumb car driver has to be an *** to you. when i drive my car i get ignored (witch i like)

[AZhitman]

Of course its a nicer machine than the 240sx in many respects...well, probably all respects.

I disagree - I'd rather have a 240 anyday. You made a wise choice (especially from a dollar-for-dollar standpoint).

[AznRide]

I disagree - I'd rather have a 240 anyday. You made a wise choice (especially from a dollar-for-dollar standpoint).

If it wasn't for SR20DET or RB's, would you reconsidered? (Flame on, I'm all ears...)

[Repo Man]

Typical white boy, I'd say if you ask me.

What the hell does this mean? Weren't you *****ing in another thread about how it's racist to call cars "rice"? Now you stereotype white guys? Do you carry a camera with you wherever you go? :rolleyes