Boosting on a budget.. but is that really so bad?

[dr1ftr]

Ok so like i said.. boosting the KA ladda ladda ladda.. i found a kind of kit on ebay.. ok i know theres something to be said there but im a college kid and money does flow else where..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1

Now I realise that it doesn't have the piping for the FMIC or the oil feed/return lines.. but other than that does the kit itself look ok?

Now i am also going to have that kit paired with a better BOV, bigger fuel injectors, and S-AFC, a 255lph fuel pump, z32 fuel filter, MSD ignition, Blaster SS coil, colder plugs and 8mm wires.. is there anything else im going to need for safely boosting to around 8psi on an otherwise stock KA? Thanks fellers..

[Nismo_Freak]

Ok so like i said.. boosting the KA ladda ladda ladda.. i found a kind of kit on ebay.. ok i know theres something to be said there but im a college kid and money does flow else where..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1

Now I realise that it doesn't have the piping for the FMIC or the oil feed/return lines.. but other than that does the kit itself look ok?

Now i am also going to have that kit paired with a better BOV, bigger fuel injectors, and S-AFC, a 255lph fuel pump, z32 fuel filter, MSD ignition, Blaster SS coil, colder plugs and 8mm wires.. is there anything else im going to need for safely boosting to around 8psi on an otherwise stock KA? Thanks fellers..

If you are on a budget, ditch the ignition mods and spend it more wisely.

As with anything, you will get what you put into it.

[dr1ftr]

I'm ok ditching the ignition mods?

[SlidnSideways]

You would be fine without them. Depending on power goal, you could even do without injectors. Im not sure how much power your looking for but i know how us college students like to cut corners and save money I believe the stock injectors max out a little after 200hp?

Someone correct me if im wrong cause im still in the learning phase of my build but this is what ive come to understand thus far.

--Tim--

[:: orion ::]

Stock injectors max out at about ~190rwhp...they SHOULD NEVER be used for a turbo application, unless you're using an FMU.

200rwhp is only ~4-5psi from most turbos...and if that's your end goal, then don't bother spending the $$$.

"Boosting on a budget" is OK...but you can't cut corners.

Do it right ONCE - The FIRST time...

...or you'll wind up doing it again, blowing a motor, spending more money, etc...as compare to just spending the $$$ up front and doing it right.

- Brian

[dr1ftr]

Goal is around 250ish rwhp.. i'd rather be safe than sorry on the injectors.. i figure 370cc will do and will someone gimme their input on what they think of this kit?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... eName=WDVW

I realise it doesn't have the piping and oil return lines and is pretty barebone but does anything seem too domestic of quality?

[SlidnSideways]

yea 370 would do it for ya. Thanx for clearing me up Brian...i wasnt aware that stock injectors shouldnt ever be used for turbo applications...as i said...learning stage...lol

As for the spending money for 200 hp...ive seen it done so just though that maybe this was one of those cases. I figured he was trying to get most of it out of the way then maybe up the goal alittle later.

--Tim--

[SlidnSideways]

Ahhh sorry.. as for the turbo kit. I have never owned a kit but ive spent plenty of time searching the boards and stuff and have seen alot of negative opinions about that kit. Most tended to say that reliability was a serious issue with the kit. I was once considering the same one but was turned away from the variety of negative posts i had seen regaurding it

[Checkered-Member]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1

Now I realise that it doesn't have the piping for the FMIC or the oil feed/return lines.. but other than that does the kit itself look ok?

That particular "turbo kit" is crap, the turbo is too small, the BOV is cheap, and the manifold’s quality is questionable, it is SS autochrome after all...

For a low cost budget setup, I would recommend the following.

used T3 turbo w/internal wastegate100-150JGS manifold 200-300Custom down pipe 100No name Intercooler 200Intake piping 200-300Blow Off Valve 50-100Oil feed/drain kit – 75Fuel pump Walbro -90Vortech FMU 125

Everything comes out to around 1200...should give you 200whp easy

250whp and a budget setup...forget it...you’ll keep making shortcuts and end up with a blown engine

[get_up_mark]

you are going to need a motorcylce type battery or battery must be removed from engine bay and put in trunk to make way for the i/c piping. also i would prefer a equall length manifold. i dont understand how that company sell these products so cheap. they must be taking the easy way out on quality

[dr1ftr]

::sigh:: Well **** a budget you all are right, why risk it? Some things require patience. Thanks everyone

[JRL]

they must be taking the easy way out on quality

Most of SSA's products are mass produced in China (not kidding).

Economies of scale, free marketing (eBay) that leads to a parent site, cheap labor, poor quality control, and the fact that SSA only exists on the internet keeps their labor and rent costs low.

All of the above is why they can charge so little.

EDIT: My kit so far has cost me $2207.29. Thats taking it from being completely stock to having a full 3" turbo back exhaust.

It includes a ball barring T28 and a LM1 wideband with the RPM adaptor for data logging.

Still need a boost gauge, maf adaptor, cone filter, and consult box.

[hysteria]

what i have spent so far on my turbo kit:fmu - 100ssac incomplete turbo kit - 800i bought their kit a long time ago when it had a top mount manifold, different straight t3 turbo, different bov, different wastegate, and didn't have intercooler or anything else.aluminum intake pipes - 100 but then we had to weld everything to make it all work.full turbo back exhaust - 175 we bought the pipes, tip, high flow cat and flanges with gaskets and welded the exhaust.walbro 255 pump - 100intercooler - 250couplers - 50misc parts, gaskets, etc - 300

and there is probably comething i am leaving out of this list...

so altogether i spent damn near $2000 so far even with the crappy ssac turbo.

given mine has held together well and as i have said before on many occasions i completely bought ssac with the intentions of swapping it out later, or when it breaks or whatever because their reputation led me to believe it would not last for a long time... but it has done what i wanted it to do so far, and as long as it holds up i will keep it on the car... then once i really have to i will build the engine and get something of higher quality...

with AIP's new lowered prices for nico i am really looking at their stuff... i won't have to buy their whole kit because the only ssac parts i have are the manifold, turbo, bov and wastegate... i will probably buy their manifold and turbo one of these days for sure. the other stuff i either have or can get elsewhere cheaper...

anyhow so i guess i am saying that you shouldn't expect it to be cheap at all, even if you go with ssac you'll run into snags nad you will have a lot of misc parts and custom fabrication...it's easy for me to say i have had no big problems because me and my friends do all of our own work and if we have a problem we custom make things all the time... if you're not so inclined and or don't have the tools and stuff then ssac would be much more of a pain in the butt for sure.

[kapower06]

Modified by kapower06 at 8:41 PM 7/28/2005

[preston240sx]

my price list is

T-3 220.00manifold 175.00Bov - HkS FreeFMIC- 200.00SAFC II - 165.00 new Turbonectics wastegate 75.00

Im up to 835 and not done yet lol ....

[:: orion ::]

Take your time and look for deals...

My original setup (T3/T4, hacked MAF, non-intercooled) did 202rwhp at ~4.5psi and 224rwhp at ~6psi...cost me just under $1,700....see below:

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Garret T3/T4, 57 trim, .63 A/R, RevHard Manifold, JGS oil line feed and drain kits, 370cc injectors / Hacked S14 MAF, TiAL wastegate (dumped), No intercooler, 1st Gen. DSM BOV, slightly crushed.

Turbo, wastegate, DP flange = $780 RevHard Manifold = $350 - Second hand but brand new... Injectors = $100 BOV = $55 (eBay)Autometer Phantom Gauges (A/F and Boost) = $107 JGS oil lines and fittings = $80 Mandrel Piping (from Jegs) = $60 Hose Couplers (truck rad. hose, 2.25" + 3") = $30

So that's $1,562, but add $100 for misc stuff like clamps, a brass "T" for the turbo inlet, RTV, vacuum hoses, etc...

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Then add $800 for GReddy VSPL intercooler....

Plus $200 for a turbo-back exhaust (custom, by me)

Plus $600 (used) for JWT ECU setup w/ 50lb injectors, Cobra MAF, top feed rail.

Now we're at $3,300 for 298rwhp @ 12psi, with room to go to 350rwhp on this exact setup.

Took me 2 years of watching the classifieds, finding deals...but I pieced together a VERY reliable setup by doing the all work my self, and being patient.

So take your time, do it right.

- Brian

[DRIFTEADOR]

Turbonectics wastegate 75.00

Im up to 835 and not done yet lol ....

i'd get rid of that one. i've heard more bad things about it than ssac's tial knockoff. deltagate mark II right?

[Jookmasta]

well i think the budget setup can be had but not for under a g if done properly unless u are resilient with the classifieds. my setup added up as follows:

Rebuilt T3 (60 trim compressor, .63 A/R exhaust), custom log manifold, Intercooler, FMU ~ $600

BRM exhaust, custom DP, custom Intercooler piping ~ $700

SR injectors ~ $70 (then got em tested and cleaned so add an extra $100)

New Z32 TT fuel pump ~ $230

New SAFC ~ $200

New boost gauge/turbo timer ~$120

Gauges ~ $100

Oil lines ~ $100

Silicone Couplings and clamps ~ $100

So thats about 2300 or so but there were areas where i felt new products must have been used. It is nice to get the mani, turbo, and intercooler under ur belt as those are the big ticket items. Everything else will come along as "oh i need this should i ever want to up the boost" or "dang, it doesnt make sense for me to get this used if i run the risk of this happening to me". all in all, just keep saving and hunting for good deals and group buys.

[preston240sx]

My Wastegate is a real turbonectics i would'nt buy it b if it was'nt the real deal sschrome sux balls

[DRIFTEADOR]

google "turbonetics deltagate spike" and see what you come up with. that was the cheapest priced wg of its time. Don't let the big names fool you, "you get what you pay for" stands true for name brands too

[nissanfanatic]

I run a Turbonetics Evolution wastegate. No boost spikes here....

[preston240sx]

Nahh i bought this wastegate used off a turbo civic but mines a real one i'll have to take a picture for u

[DRIFTEADOR]

I run a Turbonetics Evolution wastegate. No boost spikes here....

i bet your evolution wasnt $75 though

preston, this is what i'm talking about



that's the one with problems. if you got the tial looking one for $75, congrats, thats a hell of a deal.