Boost Design Stage 1 turbo kit

[mcf1000x2003]

Is there anything that doesnt come with the kit that i will need ? I know nothing about turbo kits and i will probably have to pay for install and i dont want to go get it installed and the guy say im missing something to make the car run.By th way if anyone has ad this kit installed how much did ya pay?

[Nismo_Freak]

Where in Austin are you.

[:: orion ::]

From what I've read, and form 1st hand accounts of the BD kit...it's more of a good DIY starting point than a complete bolt-on kit.

So, as they say..."buyer beware..."...and "you get what you pay for".

- Brian

[PalmerWMD]

So what else does he need?An extra fuel pump like a Walbro 255?A boost controller? Or?extra bolts?

If you know plz tell us.

Fred..

[:: orion ::]

It's not so much more that's needed...but better fitment, and IMO...better quality parts for some of the stuff.

The mani and DP...awesome stuff, everything I've heard/read/seen is great.

Intercooler piping...not exactly a perfect fit, needs work/trimming to fit well.

The turbos...I've heard of 2 already with bad seals, or just too much shaft play out of the box...

Etc, etc...

And I don't blame Boost Designs...but for $1800, what can you expect?

A _cheap_ turbo setup, not perfect fitment, etc...

I'm not trying to bash them, but I've heard nothing positive yet about their kit as a whole. Not enough R&D it sounds like to me...just an opportunistic guy who capitalized on the 240SX craze right now, and got a bunch of parts thrown together as a "kit".

Now, does this mean it's better than starting from scratch? Probably so, for the majority of guys on this board...

But does it mean that this kit sucks...well, no.

But the old adage still applies: You get what you pay for.

(...but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...)

- Brian

[PalmerWMD]

members here have run this kit successfully I belive.

So is there anything they need we can think of?Does it come with a upgraded fuel pump? Are upgraded injectors neccessary and if so are they included?

Fred..

[WDRacing]

You will need to upgrade your fuel pump to a 255LPH pump. You can obtain one from a zillion places online. You'll also need some type of fuel managment. Since your brand new and have little to no experience, I'd suggest the FMU, which is a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, meaning for every 1 psi of boost your turbo makes it will increase the fuel pressure 10 psi. So you should use the 10/1 FMU.

Or you could opt for a JWT or Enthalpy ECU tune. Both have proven to work well and are plug and play, meaning no tuning required.

To help explain Orions point of view, in his eyes, having been around the KAT world and a ton of DIY turbo kits over the last few years. The BD kit is extremely cheap in comparison to the competition. But short cuts have to be made somewhere. I wonder myself how PJ can stay in bussiness selling kits so cheap. For a beginner bolt on kit...way better then piecing one together in my opinion.

You can buy better, but your going to pay ALOT more money for it.

Brian, you have to remember man. Not everyone has the ability to be a DIY guy. We started the KAT thing well before Greddy was even making a kit...when the Hacked Maf and a 300ZX turbo was a good combo...lol.

WD

[boostdesigns.com]

2 turbos out of the 50-60 i have sold is great for the volume i do. the wonderful thing i offer is warranty if you do have problems out of it. as far as the I/C piping not fitting perfect you are dealing with a mass produced parts and your using a mandrel bender which is a good machine but its up to the individual worker at the time who is running it. but again if you get a piece that needs trimming or just does not seem good enough for you. warranty comes in!! the manufacturer that makes the kits for me will replace or fix anything i ask of them no questions asked. as far as the R&D i build these kits to the original prototype which was my own vehicle and the fitment was great. if we get into a batch that gets to be to far out of spec then we redesign or make the proper adjustements to the design. i have made 5 changes to the original design to improve it and to address problems or to make the kit better. i learn something new every day and try to apply what i learn to the kits to make them the best they can be.

[:: orion ::]

For a beginner bolt on kit...way better then piecing one together in my opinion.

I hear 'ya, and I agree...I just take issue with this being called a "complete" or "bolt-on" kit.

I think when the newbs see "turbo kit", they think that's all there is to it...buy the "kit", put it on, make big power *safely*.

Not the case here.

As you and "Palmer" pointed out, there's no fuel or TIMING control included with either kit, Stg I or II.

I could go on, but I guess my beef is this:

Back in the day, you could get a Stage II F-Max setup for what, $4000? And that came with 50lb injectors, JWT ECU, turbo, manifold, DP, intercooler, etc...it was TRULY a bolt on kit.

And you look at BD...$2600 for Stg II, then $600 for an Enthalpy ECU...and you've managed to save $800, but at the expense of R&D and fitment...plus you've now skimped on the inportant parts...knockoff turbo, copycat wastegate, etc...

So even though I am having a hard time understanding why anyone wouldn't piece together and build their own kit , I just don't see the great value, especially since we know where the tradeoffs are coming from.

??? - Brian

[WDRacing]

The only issue I had with the FMAX was the manifold...didn't you have to use a TO4 frame and it had to be a tangential exhaust housing??

[mcf1000x2003]

Hey freak im from north austin near 183/35. As for the turbo kit i would rather just get bolt ons but i am looking to get in the 13 second 1/4 mile range and i can't see getting there without boostin.I wanna get a good deal but i dont wanna buy the kit for $1800 and then have to pay to get things to make the kit work properly and end up paying almost the same as i would have getting a better brand kit like greddy.Im not intending to knock ya product tho i just dont know any thing about boost im used to the f- body scene but i got rid of my 00z28 and i think it would be cool to have a fast car that can handle great.

[PalmerWMD]

Few turbo kits are just bolt on, the BD kit will work well with the fuel soltion added and thats exactly what the man was asking.

Fred..

[boostdesigns.com]

brian not to have bad beef with you, but i know where your first hand info is coming from!! 1 we did not trim any intercooler piping at all!! if you find a cut pipe or a trimmed one i will give it to you. there is holes that need to be made and enlarged to allow the intercooler piping to fit. there is no getting around that!!!

as far as the kits not being a turn key kit yes you haft to buy a fuel management with it, but i tell everyone that and no one has a problem with that except for you!!!

even with the ecu its still the lowest price kit you can get. and the fmax kit whats the trade off with it, seems like you like it, i do to but you haft to run a special turbo do you not. and now you keep saying R&D as i stated before its all built to specs. sometimes those get out because of the use of a mandrel bender or the operator but thats where warranty comes in. if you dont like the piece or you think there is a fitment issue call me and we can fix the problem its warrantied. as far as the pieces to the kit its the same stuff i run and i never have problems out of it. and if someone does then warranty!!!! ever try to get greddy to warranty their turbo kit??????? GOOD LUCK!!

you yes you can piece it together off ebay but where is the warranty or customer support we offer, or will you even get what you buy.

now hopefully this will end your personal assault on the kits i have tried to the best of my ability to answer what i can. and it always falls back to rule 1 if you dont like it dont buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!

which you have not, so i dont understand your dilema. thanks for your support though.

[:: orion ::]

Hey man...

As I stated before, I'm not looking to start trouble or talk bad about you guys...just stating my opinion.

With that said...

1) Where I got my info: From my conversations with Brandon, it sounded like there was more to it than that...I hate to even bring him into this...he seems to be pleased overall with the setup. And my opinions are not the same as his...so don't let this carry over to him.

2) Yep, you need fuel management...and everyone does understand that...except what I keep seeing is people comparing the GReddy kit and yours. With the GReddy, they get fuel manangement and timing control for what, $3500 (eBay)...?

With your kit, they get the same for $3200. And I'll agree that the Enthalpy tuned ECU is WAY better than eManage...but the GReddy turbo is clearly better, and from what I've seen...the intercooler piping is better. Maybe that's not the case...?

And personally, I'm scared of knockoff wastegates...which the one with the BD kit seems to be. For the one thing that keeps my motor from overboosting, I want a trusted brand.

3) Yes, it is the lowest priced kit you can get...which is great. But I'm just saying that saving $300 over a comparable "kit" isn't like your saving $1000 or something.

I guess I'm just amazed at how fast people are willing to jump aboard just b/c they can save $300.

4) I was only using the F-max as an example of price, and once again...as soon as somone can save a buck, they jump on it, and act like F-max (or whoever) is a ripoff.

5)...it doesn;t matter.

This is NOT a personal assualt.

I'm not trying to hurt your business.

I have nothing to gain otherwise, I don't sell anything.

I'm playing devils advocate, just trying to get people to THINK before they buy, not just jump on the cheapest deal.

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So there's no beef...

Hell...call me sometime, shoot me an e-mail ([email protected]), whatever...

I don't like there to be "drama" surrounding me...there's no reason for it.

I like making my 240SX go fast, and I like the people in the 240SX community...yourself included, I'll bet.

No reason to make enemies or for anyone to get pissy over one thread on a message board.

And in the future, I'll let your kits and the user's results speak for themselves...good and bad.

- Brian

[Jurand]

orion: Great info Brian. We appreciate the time you take to inform others. I feel exactly the same way about this kit. Not a bad starting point for the money, but definitely not complete or top quality. Don't worry about PJ - he's just way too testy to be a web based vendor.

Boostdesigns: Don't get so defensive PJ. He's just stating the facts and it's by no means a personal attack. You should really take some of his justified criticism and use it as motivation to keep perfecting your kits with quality parts, even if it means raising your prices. Keep up the good work guys.

Jurand

[PalmerWMD]

3500 ebay price is not a good way to compare to BD retail price.

Fred..

[boostdesigns.com]

i agree with you on the aspects of wastegates. but who was tial back years ago they were a no name company same as jgs precision turbo who i like alot, you know they have a new wastegate out is it crap. and ATR has a new one being released we dont know about it either so i guess it must be also. so what i am trying to say is there comes a time when you haft to give companys a chance. i am personally using the wastegate i sell for the past 2 years with no failures and i beat the crap out of mine with no problems at all. and as far as ebay with the greddy turbo kit. 1 your buying it on ebay for god sake so if you do get it !!!who is going to warranty it and when you run into problems whos going to help you surely not the kid in the basement that had some money and oredered 3 to get a good deal and is trying to make 200.00 on them now. and have you ever tried to call greddy technical support for help! thats a joke, also tell them you got a bolt hole stripped when you got it. there going to say it must have been you becouse it was fine when it left here. as far as my fuel management not coming with it i do that to save customers money some already have 370cc injectors or SAFC or Emanage or whatever and dont need or want it with it. the only good thing is they can get it with it or without its there choice they can read and they can decide. ask greddy to do that they will laugh at you. hope again i have helped you with info on why i do what i do. maybe you should develope a kit then. you can sell it which ever way you think would better suit the customer. me i have invested all the money and took the risk that most people are not either capable of, or to scared to do for fear it may not sell. and the way i sell these systems and what comes with them for the price i am comfortable with. also another little point when you start selling fuel management with kits you run into a liability situation what happens when the ecu i sold WITH the kit has a glitch and you pop your motor becouse this was bought with the kit for the kit. who do you think there going to look to about replacement of that motor the man that made the ecu or the persom who sold the kit?????? again i will say i like the way i market the kit i took all this into consideration. thanks

[AZhitman]

This is true, I don't know of any "kit" that comes with an FMU... liability with things like this is high enough as it is.

Personally, I like the idea of a no-frills, basic "kit" that I can upgrade later once I've lived with it for a while.

I was looking for a mild hp boost for my 93 vert. I'd have been happy with 50 or so hp, but the bottom line is you're gonna drop a lot of money either going all-motor or boosting. So for less than $2K I get an "introductory" kit that will MORE than meet my needs, and I can upgrade certain parts of it down the line.

I've never seen anyone build a 400 rwhp car as their first foray into turbo cars. Start small, and go from there - this seems like a perfect way to go for most people.

Those who are looking to customize and piece together their own KAT with parts of their choosing need to do just that. There's plenty of room for both.

[chesirekat]

PJ and I took a 240sx with about the worst engine in it you have ever seen and built a powerful vehicle out of it. (will post pics soon)

Fact: This cannot be done without some amount of frustration, irratation, natural disaster and every other thing that comes with the heavy modification of a car.

PJ and I have had our frustrations but they have and will remain between the two of us because they are not consequential to the rest of the Nissan world. Furthermore, every last one of our disputes have been worked out and solved to the satisfaction of both customer and owner. The Boost Designs kit is relatively new and I'm sure any bug they have with the kits will be worked out accordingly.

Brian and I are good friends and I have used him as a source of advice with every aspect of this project (and past projects). We are both frustrated that people see a kit out that is relatively cheap and well made and somehow come to the conclusion that they can reliably make 500hp (mild exageration) for $1800-$2000 and also not experience a single setback along the way.

Conclusion: If you are going to turbo your car, decide what your goal is, do it right the first time/spend the required money, and expect it to take twice as long as you originally thought. It will be worth it in the end.

Brandon

[hannibal]

I appreciate the constructive way Brian give his opinion. But PJ deserves a chance to explain his kits. I also liek the fact that Brian wanted to 'clear the air' when others began instigating. Both these guys have plenty of knowledge and an argument like this will help neither one.

If BD's kit was just $0.01 less than Greddy, F-Max, etc, I would still check it out before buying another kit. IMO, thats the most rational thing to do, and if it supports our sponsor, then its even better. But its your money, just give BD a chance to earn from you...

[:: orion ::]

Wow...this is getting a ton of attention.

...and you know what they say..any publicity is good publicity. So you could say I'm HELPING you sell! Hehehe...j/k...

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But seriously...

I hear you on all those points, PJ...

The WG may be great...I may just be skeptical.

But the diaphram may fail and ruin a motor or 2, who knows.

...

Anyway, I am being quick to judge, and for that I'm in err.

...

I will say, even though you're coming across as defensive, at least you're here, and putting in your .02 like I am mine. I hope that same treatment is given to anyone with issues...that you address it and take care of it.

Also:

I'm glad Brandon chimed in and said his piece...

And thanks to "Jurand" for seeing EXACTLY what I'm trying to get at...

Anyway, PJ...I wish you luck. I run a local, independent business with 3 locations...and I'd hate to see any small business owner fail.

Anyway, now I've said my piece...I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

- Brian

[fiznat]

I've never seen anyone build a 400 rwhp car as their first foray into turbo cars.

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[AZhitman]

^ Yeah, but you're freakin' weird.

[nizmo240sx_22]

This is true, I don't know of any "kit" that comes with an FMU... liability with things like this is high enough as it is.

Doesn't the NSPORT kit come with one?

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