Book that tells where things go?

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imdapert
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I have an 89 HB that I picked up from a lady at work at her kid took a bunch of stuff apart. Is there a manual that gives exploded views of where things go?

I have downloaded the FSM but after spending hours going through it I don't see anything that gives what I'm looking for.

Would a Haynes or Chiltons be best for this? I have a box of parts and bolts, screws, etc and I'm not sure what goes to what and where it goes. This whole car was pretty much gutted and in boxes. I have it back together starting from the back all the way to the dash.

I have one or two plugs from the dash harness that don't go to anything that I need to identify and I know there is a serious amount of work left for me under the hood.

Any suggestions would be helpful.


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Axel Grungy
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haynes and chiltons are useless, your best bet is with the FSM.

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0wn3r
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this might be wrong, but i don't know if they make a Hayne's for the 240... when I was looking, I only saw a Chilton which I picked up on Amazon.

Anyhoo... you might also be able to post pictures of some of the parts and post them. This way someone might be able to identify and let you know where they go.

But don't post a pic or 200 pics of a universal screw....

good luck.

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They DID make a guide, however they discountinued it. If you never go to the library in your town, go visit - borrow - and never come back. That's what I did, and it's not like I was ever going back anyway.

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Ni2s4s0aSnX
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Chiltons isn't useless, I would pick one up next time you're at the Auto Zone or something. My Chiltons has been very useful when I work on my 240. They have a section in it that shows pictures a a complete overhaul of the KA engine, that might be useful, as well as many other things.

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virus77
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FSM > haynes > dog **** > chilton

Use the FSM its your best bet

imdapert
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Ni2s4s0aSnX wrote:Chiltons isn't useless, I would pick one up next time you're at the Auto Zone or something. My Chiltons has been very useful when I work on my 240. They have a section in it that shows pictures a a complete overhaul of the KA engine, that might be useful, as well as many other things.
Thanks for the advice. I see a few responses about the FSM but I have it and it's not giving me all of what I'm looking for so I'll give the Chilton/Hayne's a look as well. Just wanted to see if anyone thought it was even worth it before I got them and it seems at least a few people see some value in them.

Maybe it's just me or the file I have but the FSM is great from wiring schematics but beyond that it doesn't seem to be of any value for things like removing the dash or side panels or anything of that nature. At least for my other vehicles the Chilton/Haynes seem to be very good for those types of repairs/projects.

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imdapert wrote:Thanks for the advice. I see a few responses about the FSM but I have it and it's not giving me all of what I'm looking for so I'll give the Chilton/Hayne's a look as well. Just wanted to see if anyone thought it was even worth it before I got them and it seems at least a few people see some value in them.

Maybe it's just me or the file I have but the FSM is great from wiring schematics but beyond that it doesn't seem to be of any value for things like removing the dash or side panels or anything of that nature. At least for my other vehicles the Chilton/Haynes seem to be very good for those types of repairs/projects.
Its all in the FSM. Browsing through it all on a computer screen is horrible on the eyes and tedious, though.

Which Is why I bought the actual FSM on Ebay for a 93 the same week I bought my car. Much better to have a material copy you can lug around when you work on the car.

imdapert
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Does the hard copy have more to it than the downloaded versions do?

For example if I look through the files from the FSM I downloaded there is nothing in there that relates to the interior. Nothing that would show me how to remove the rear seats for example. Is that type of data in the hard copy of the manual?

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I tried downloading a copy of an 89 FSM and it was about 84 different files. Theres no way Im looking through all that.

Yeah, the hard copy has a section on the interior. Panel removal and what screws/connectors go where.

Its always told me everything I wanted to know. Sometimes it can be hard to navigate as well, but it is over 900 pages afterall. I paid like 60 bucks for mine 3 or so years ago.

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Cool looks like I'm getting a hard copy myself. My file has 84 fodlers too. Maybe it's all in there somewhere but in looking at the titles of the folders I doubt it. Or at the very least it's in a spot you wouldn't know just in looking at it.

Since you have the hard copy and the downloaded version have you found that they are the same or are the things you've noticed missing from the downloaded version?

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virus77
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For interior panels and stuff its all common sense anyways, you dont need a manual to take any of a 240sx panels off, the damn car is put together like a playschool dollhouse with the most obvious screws thats arent really hidden.

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virus77 wrote:For interior panels and stuff its all common sense anyways, you dont need a manual to take any of a 240sx panels off, the damn car is put together like a playschool dollhouse with the most obvious screws thats arent really hidden.
true that

imdapert
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virus77 wrote:For interior panels and stuff its all common sense anyways, you dont need a manual to take any of a 240sx panels off, the damn car is put together like a playschool dollhouse with the most obvious screws thats arent really hidden.
If you had read what I first wrote instead of trying to make me out as an idiot, you would have seen that I said I had the car put back together from the back up to the engine compartment. So no, I didn't need a manual to put the interior together.

I used the interior as an example of something I didn't see in the downloaded version of the FSM that I would have expected to see and something that another poster said was in the hard copy version.

My concern is when it comes to the engine compartment. There are a ton of parts all in a box and unlike the interior it certainly would be helpful to know exactly where they go since it's not as common sense.

If I was some 240SX guru or had taken the car apart myself I wouldn't be asking these questions. I've done enough stereo systems in my life to feel comfortable gutting and installing any interior but I've never had to redo an engine bay and would like some illustrations to make sure I'm doing it correctly.

Seems like some people just wait for topics to come along where they can jump all over somebody or say something negative. If you can't add something constructive then ignore the whole topic.

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virus77
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My first post was stating which piece of literature is good to own for our cars, I dont see how I was making you seem like an idiot. And my second post didnt either, I think you took it the wrong way buddy, if anything I was taking a crack and the plastic workmanship from nissan.

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virus77 wrote:My first post was stating which piece of literature is good to own for our cars, I dont see how I was making you seem like an idiot. And my second post didnt either, I think you took it the wrong way buddy, if anything I was taking a crack and the plastic workmanship from nissan.
lol damn, i own a chilton and i didn't even mind what you said. it's ok, some people are just too damn defensive to be able to operate in public.

420sxse
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Yeah, I have a FSM (best $80 I spent on my car) but it does leave some descriptions to be desired. Especially in the vacuum hose dept. if I hadn't taken good notes I never would have gotten things back using the fsm alone.Someone on here pointed me (thankfully!) to carfiche.com. there is a parts catalog (be aware that the s13 section has both ka24e and ...de diagrams but they are labeled on the left side of the diagrams. You know you have a ka24e I'm sure) Think like you are using the microfiche viewer at the library. Down is forward, then when you get to the bottom, the next page is at the top one column to the right. There are also index pages. It's not too complicated once you get oriented.

imdapert
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I'm hoping that with the FSM and the numerous engine shots on this site I should be able to get it right. I'll check out the microfiche site as well. Thanks for the tip.

Since this car was in pieces when I got it I haven't reached that point where I really consider it "my" car or have that level of familiarity with it like I do with my other vehicles where you feel comfortable in messing with it.


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