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Obama's Ignorance of World Affairs on Full Display in India
by: Michael Filozof - American Thinker

When George W. Bush was sworn into office, he was mocked by his political enemies as a parochial idiot who had no understanding of world affairs. That proved untrue. By contrast Barack Obama was touted as a multicultural "citizen of the world" whose childhood residence in Indonesia, adult trips to Pakistan and Kenya, and Harvard degree were supposed proof of his sophistication. Obama subsequently disproved this belief by making reference to "speaking Austrian" during a European speech and sending Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Russia to "press the reset button," (the word "reset" in Russian was misspelled) a stunt so stupid that a high school girl at a Model UN conference probably wouldn't do it.

Now, in his quasi-imperial trip to India, Obama has made ridiculous P.C.-inspired statements that managed to offend both India and Pakistan and reveal an astounding ignorance of South Asian politics and history.

First, Obama told an Indian audience that he supported India's bid to gain a permanent seat (and veto) on the UN Security Council. Aside from the fact that this is unlikely to happen, the idea greatly offends Pakistan, a sworn enemy of India since both countries became independent in 1947. While Obama's support for an Indian seat on the Security Council was greeted with applause in India, it was immediately denounced by Pakistan. Pakistan is our "ally" in the war on terror, but it is very unstable, partially ungovernable, and likely harboring Osama bin Laden. Obama gratuitously offended it by supporting its #1 enemy, India. How can this possibly help our efforts in the Af-Pak theater of war?

Second, Obama contradicted centuries of Indian history when he told an Indian schoolgirl that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that only "extremists" corrupt it. According to The Hindu newspaper, Obama said Islam is "a religion that reaffirms peace, fairness, tolerance. I think all of us recognize that this great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted by violence." This must be an astonishingly false statement to Indian ears and to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Indian history.

India has had virtually non-stop conflict with Islam since it was first invaded by Muslims in the seventh century. Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan have been in a virtual state of war since 1947, when British India was partitioned along religious lines, resulting in nearly a million casualties. Today, both India and Pakistan are nuclear-armed powers. There have been at least three shooting wars since 1947 and constant low-grade war over Kashmir. The attack on the Indian parliament by Muslim terrorists in 2001 and the Mumbai Massacre, perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in 2008, are not the result of "extremists" who "distort" Islam but merely the latest incidents in centuries of war and conquest India has suffered at the hands of the "religion of peace."

It's clear that the Obama foreign policy isn't based on sophistication or even a basic knowledge of world affairs. It's based purely on fatuous P.C. sentiments that meet with approval in faculty lounges, but are downright dangerous to American security in the real world.


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No. India is mistaken.

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In other news...

White House adviser Valerie Jarrett:
"I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is. ... He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. ... So, what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy. ... He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do."

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Wait, so Obama's knowledge of history is lacking because he's talking to India about a policy India likes that Pakistan doesn't and because he's trying to create religious tolerance?

Try harder, Greg.

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IBCoupe wrote:Wait, so Obama's knowledge of history is lacking because he's talking to India about a policy India likes that Pakistan doesn't and because he's trying to create religious tolerance?

Try harder, Greg.
No, that's not what the article says at all.

But nice try at deflection.

He ain't Gandhi. You gotta walk the walk before you attract followers... become a leader... generate loyalty... "create tolerance".

Besides, Pakistan and India aren't (and shouldn't be) "Job One".

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Deflection? I called into question the reasoning of your thread and the conclusion of that article.

Then you reply with nonsequiturs about Gandhi and policy priority. Which one of us is deflecting?

But let's go ahead and see what the article actually said, shall we?
American Thinker wrote:Obama has made ridiculous P.C.-inspired statements that managed to offend both India and Pakistan and reveal an astounding ignorance of South Asian politics and history.
Okay. So, right off the bat, it's his statements that reveal his ignorance of hisotry. We're looking for statements.
American Thinker wrote:First,
Sweet! This will be easy, because they're enumerating the points. That should make them easier to address.
American Thinker wrote:Obama told an Indian audience that he supported India's bid to gain a permanent seat (and veto) on the UN Security Council. Aside from the fact that this is unlikely to happen, the idea greatly offends Pakistan, a sworn enemy of India since both countries became independent in 1947.
Okay, so, now let's match this up with my post:
A [i]real[/i] American thinker wrote:...so Obama's knowledge of history is lacking because he's talking to India about a policy India likes that Pakistan doesn't...
If you can explain to me how that's not what it said, I'll be amazed.

Alright, onto the next point!
American Thinker wrote:Second, Obama contradicted centuries of Indian history when he told an Indian schoolgirl that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that only "extremists" corrupt it. According to The Hindu newspaper, Obama said Islam is "a religion that reaffirms peace, fairness, tolerance. I think all of us recognize that this great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted by violence." This must be an astonishingly false statement to Indian ears and to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Indian history.

India has had virtually non-stop conflict with Islam since it was first invaded by Muslims in the seventh century. Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan have been in a virtual state of war since 1947, when British India was partitioned along religious lines, resulting in nearly a million casualties. Today, both India and Pakistan are nuclear-armed powers. There have been at least three shooting wars since 1947 and constant low-grade war over Kashmir. The attack on the Indian parliament by Muslim terrorists in 2001 and the Mumbai Massacre, perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in 2008, are not the result of "extremists" who "distort" Islam but merely the latest incidents in centuries of war and conquest India has suffered at the hands of the "religion of peace."
This one requires a bit more focus. What the author's done is say that Obama's ignorance of South Asian history is apparent because he told a little girl that Muslims aren't bad; that Islam is corrupted by a few men. To justify this conclusion, the author points to ancient history (Watch out, you Christians! I remember the Spanish Inquisition!) and then points to attacks perpetrated by extremists. Then it says that these weren't extremists, these were actually just model Pakistanis.

Which would be why I wrote:
A [i]real[/i] American thinker wrote:...so Obama's knowledge of history is lacking... because he's trying to create religious tolerance?
Again, please go ahead and show me how the article didn't say that.

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And one more thing: when an author concludes with a statement that it's clear that he's proved his point without actually making reference to what he's said, be skeptical.
American Thinker wrote:It's clear that the Obama foreign policy isn't based on sophistication or even a basic knowledge of world affairs. It's based purely on fatuous P.C. sentiments that meet with approval in faculty lounges, but are downright dangerous to American security in the real world.

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Then he must be a Democrat

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Greg, you have to get a lot of facts straight about India and Pakistan and the history of the region. :) :yesnod Let's take just a few examples ...

1. Muslims did not invade India in the 7th century. At that time of world history, the Arabs in the Saudi peninsula had a flourishing trade with Indonesia and other countries in South East Asia - merchants and trade ships regularly traveled across the top of the Indian Ocean.

And, not surprisingly, there was a large piracy problem - these pirates (not Muslim, by the way :)) lived in the northern part of the Arabian Sea in India and attacked the merchant ships and killed sailors and merchants indiscriminately. In the early 8th century, the Arab and Indonesian Muslims sent a small force (around 7000 soldiers led by a 17 year old kid!) to "take care" of the rampant pirate problem - these soldiers landed on the northern shore of the Arabian Sea and sent punitive missions inland to eliminate the pirate threat for a few hundred miles. Problem solved.

Somewhat (okay, only a mild stretch) Much like what the US Marines did in North Africa (Libya ... "shores of Tripoli") in the 20th century, and what we should do now to the Somalian and Ethiopian raiders.

Historically, here were no significant presence of Muslims in the Indian subcontinet till almost four or five hundred years after these events in the 8th century.

2. Most importantly, the story over the centuries is not as one-sided as you are portraying. Remember that the country of India has always had a large population - and the vast majority of them are not Muslim - indeed, they only constituted less than 15% of the total. Can you seriously think that such a minority could actively overcome the far vaster majority of non-Muslims, living side by side (as opposed to launching strikes from far away), without major repercussions and massive retaliations in kind?

There has always been massive problems in the past ... with far more atrocities committed against Muslims in India over the years. Particularly after the Hindu Nationalist movements in India that arose when the English were preparing to leave. For example, the massive numbers of Muslim killings in Calcutta (many fled to Burma and Singapore and other South-East countries - my Grandfather was among those who fled) in the nineteen-forties were only stopped when Gandhi stepped in and made people stop - for which, a Hindu assassinated him later! Recent killings of Muslim in many smaller states in India are glossed over ... these events rarely get reported on today - they don't fit the "Muslim terrorlst" labels conveniently.

3. Yes, the two countries have fought three wars over issues, and there has been a very uneasy relationship between them - but it certainly is not a continuously virtual state of war since 1947! Yes, there is lots of historical mistrust - due to past problems - and, yes, more recent bi-directional actions and activities that have not been in the best interest of either country. Yet, there are also grass-roots effort to try and get rationality to prevail - I can point to recent large, well-financed, media initiatives started by the biggest media company in each country to make progress. I certainly hope that these bear fruit!

Now the question of whether Obama should have said what he did is quite a different issue. If you assume he did it out of ignorance, then I would be surprised honestly ... inspite of everything that I do not like about him, lack of intelligence, or unwillingness to listen to his advisors, is probably not accurate.

If you assume he did it out of a sense of "I will say what I believe is the right thing to do", then he certainly will ruffle feathers on both sides - as you noted. Whether this is diplomatic, or the right/wrong thing to do, is not clear to me though.

Finally, understating the important of both those countries and the effect they do have on the US, is not a good idea. Events over there have a way of affecting us far more than we might otherwise want to believe - for our own best interest, it is not a good thing to be overly focussed on our own internal "stuff".

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:rotfl :rotfl

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:rotfl :rotfl ....friggin' Tariq... :rotfl :rotfl

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I guess that terrorists should not be held to spelling and grammar standards either. :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Dammit, Z -

Just because he's middle eastern does NOT mean he's a terrorlst.

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AZhitman wrote:Dammit, Z -

Just because he's middle eastern does NOT mean he's a terrorlst.

;)

i disagree. you're just lucky i like this place. otherwise... :D

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AZhitman wrote:Dammit, Z -

Just because he's middle eastern does NOT mean he's a terrorlst.

;)
:rotfl :chuckle: :rotfl

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heliochrome85 wrote:
AZhitman wrote:Dammit, Z -

Just because he's middle eastern does NOT mean he's a terrorlst.

;)

i disagree. you're just lucky i like this place. otherwise... :D
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

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heliochrome85 wrote:i disagree. you're just lucky i like this place. otherwise... :D
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Go to your room. :slap:

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Wait, he gets a room? Friggun' affirmative action.

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Don't blame AA. Blame the ADA.

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those are some bitchin' threads.


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