Blown ka24de-t engine, please read.

Information on the naturally-aspirated KA24E and KA24DE engines.
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Its actually not as bad as it sounds. Ok, about two weeks ago I just finished my ka24de custom turbo kit, on my 95 s14. The kit consisted of jgs log mani, saab t3 turbine, 2,5 inch down pipe, stock exhuast, maf hacked to 2.7 inches, 370's stock fuel pump, non intercooled setup, with a dsm bov and a custom valve ontop of the bov, that prevents stalling. I ran pressure side to waste gate, which was like 3-4 lbs. First run can ran beautifully, pulled very swell at low boost I was a happy camper.

Then me and my bro wanted to see what the would pull like at higher boost we had no boost controller(dumb idea), so we just pulled the wastgate line. Next run out, carfully watching the boost gauge as we drove it. As i was slowly acellerating, 1k like 2 lbs 2k 4-5 then bam I creep up to 3k and boost shoots up to 14 lbs, before I could back off the throtle. I got scared thought the engine was done. But the car seemed fine. Later that day we took it out, with wastegate line on. After a couple runs, the car started driving funny. We pop the hood, we see oil, from the cam breather, I was like Oh no. We hurry back to the shop, to check compression. 1-3 was 150+ then #4 piston 65psi!. After that I realized that we hadn't kicked the timming yet down to 16. And was still rocking stock fuel pump. A dumb thing to do. But you know how it is, you just goota test it out. Im positive that that one time of hight boost is what killed the engine.

Well anyway, I found a nice s13 longblock for $50 locally, it turned out to be freashly rebuilt with new timing chain just what I needed. This time around, I got an safc, wideband o2 setup, walbro fuel pump, egt fuel pressure gauges, 3 in exhaust. And knock sensor alert. Ill keep you posted when drop the engine back in.

Vadem


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vadem wrote:Its actually not as bad as it sounds. Ok, about two weeks ago I just finished my ka24de custom turbo kit, on my 95 s14. The kit consisted of jgs log mani, saab t3 turbine, 2,5 inch down pipe, stock exhuast, maf hacked to 2.7 inches, 370's stock fuel pump, non intercooled setup, with a dsm bov and a custom valve ontop of the bov, that prevents stalling. I ran pressure side to waste gate, which was like 3-4 lbs. First run can ran beautifully, pulled very swell at low boost I was a happy camper.

Then me and my bro wanted to see what the would pull like at higher boost we had no boost controller(dumb idea), so we just pulled the wastgate line. Next run out, carfully watching the boost gauge as we drove it. As i was slowly acellerating, 1k like 2 lbs 2k 4-5 then bam I creep up to 3k and boost shoots up to 14 lbs, before I could back off the throtle. I got scared thought the engine was done. But the car seemed fine. Later that day we took it out, with wastegate line on. After a couple runs, the car started driving funny. We pop the hood, we see oil, from the cam breather, I was like Oh no. We hurry back to the shop, to check compression. 1-3 was 150+ then #4 piston 65psi!. After that I realized that we hadn't kicked the timming yet down to 16. And was still rocking stock fuel pump. A dumb thing to do. But you know how it is, you just goota test it out. Im positive that that one time of hight boost is what killed the engine.

Well anyway, I found a nice s13 longblock for $50 locally, it turned out to be freashly rebuilt with new timing chain just what I needed. This time around, I got an safc, wideband o2 setup, walbro fuel pump, egt fuel pressure gauges, 3 in exhaust. And knock sensor alert. Ill keep you posted when drop the engine back in.

Vadem


No fuel control + no timing control = KAboom!

If you're lucky, you might be able to change out just the headgasket.

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you should get a intercooler, even if it a side mount.

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come on a joe p style mbc is like 20 bucks. where the hell did you find a freshly rebuilt 50 dollar ka long block, with a new timing chain? the timing chain and rebuild kit together are at least 300 bucks.

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boost control is for sissys!!! ;)

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+1 to your IQ score.Please.. someone should have told you before, but if not, I'm telling you now.Put the tools down, and step away from the KA. -Jeff

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Jeff240sx wrote:+1 to your IQ score.Please.. someone should have told you before, but if not, I'm telling you now.Put the tools down, and step away from the KA. -Jeff


lol, he was just having a little fun

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No listen, the only dumb, retarted thing I did that I regret now is doing that one run with no boost controller, dude im sure u'd be itching to do the same. Now I have an electronic boost controller. Ive done my research, the engine was on its way out, anyways, this was a good reason to change it out. Call me stupid, I dont care Im sure im not the only one to blow a KA on this board. The only reason I posted this, was to tell the noobs what happends with no boost controller. I wasn't that mad now I can say im JDM tyte yo, and say Ive swapped My engine hehe, Jk. I have a volvo intercooler at my shop, Im doing this step by step to see the improvments. And I got my engine because supposidly had a blown hg but they gave a good engine instead. Later.

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At least you learned from your mistakes

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haha, i did about the same thing. my used deltagate wasn't working right and the first time i drove it, it boosted to 14psi. but everything was fine, probably since i have a btm and walbro fp and ic.

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how could the timing chain jump?

Zak

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its alright ka's are plentiful!!! **** while it's out might as well install the turbo stuff while the engine is out..

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huh?

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anyone know?? bc i think my timing chain jumped and caused my pistons to crack in between the top and bottom ring.

Zak

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If your valves hit the piston, your valve would be bent before a piston cracks. Sounds like you may have a damaged ring land. Possibly from detonation.

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could that have been to no ic? i was only running 8 psi. what about over revving, maybe the previous owner?

Zak

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hotter air will cause detonation, but so will bad gas, and advanced timing.

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tic tac -

Detonation killed your pistons. The timing chain would break before it jumped. You have to pry that sucker off even with no oil pressure (when you disassemble a motor), so it's really not possible that it jumped timing.

Go ahead and realize that bad tuning caused detonation and destroyed your piston. Happens with too much timing on a KA...you can even run it pretty lean under boost and not detonate, until you feed it too much timing.

- Brian

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How much timing should one take out?

I did -3 on everything above 2k rpm... and +2 at idle to smooth it out :)

Should I back out more? I'm running 6 psi and 8 psi

I was thinking of doing up to -7 up top to see what that does.


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