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Postby fryrice » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

:bowdown Blackbird Skylines rule. :ylsuper

When the hell they gonna bring a left side drive one over here:mad:


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Postby 240zx » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Not that i mean to question you authority, oh wonderful mullet mod, but i think the only blackbird skyline was the one that motorex built themselves but then craig lieberman bought it and it's now a bluebird. If anybody knows any information about this please keep it to yourself. I wan tu saound enteleegnit :dunce

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Postby I H8 UR DSM » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Oh, now the mullets bowing down to the mighty import, we should archive this.

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Postby Daunttless » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Oh, it will be. : )

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Postby biggie » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Nissan is in the proccess of bring the Skyline over here.(Talked to a guy I know at Dealership couple weeks ago). It will be RHD but it will be AWD--and so far is still confirmed to be RB26DETT. The only other engines I've heard as a possibility(and this is a stretch) : VQ35DET(T) or the V8(Q45--don't remember engine code)

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

biggie wrote:Nissan is in the proccess of bring the Skyline over here.(Talked to a guy I know at Dealership couple weeks ago). It will be RHD but it will be AWD--and so far is still confirmed to be RB26DETT. The only other engines I've heard as a possibility(and this is a stretch) : VQ35DET(T) or the V8(Q45--don't remember engine code)
Hate to say you heard wrong, but don't ever trust a "dealership" person. Believe me, I know, I've worked at them before. They just tell you stuff because they don't know and want to make you think they do know.

Nissan will never bring a car over to the U.S. as a Nissan that is RHD. It *will* be LHD. And I assume we are talking about the R35 (GTR).

However, it is likely it will be AWD. But the RB26DETT is most likely going to NOT be the engine of choice. First of all, the RB26DETT is already out of production, so they will not bring it back. Second of all, Nissan will not bring a high-revving, turbo, small displacement motor to the U.S. They will go for big displacement, lots of torque. Most likely the car will have either the VQ35DE(TT) or the VK45DE(TT). I say (TT) because we don't know if it will be turbo or not. I would personally guess they would go with the VK45DE, but that is purely speculation.

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Postby biggie » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Yes, I did mean LHD not RHD. I do trust this guy and his info--he is not a sales person. He doesn't even drive a Nissan, he said he would be getting a Skyline though. He seems to think it will be the vq35 with single turbo. Sounds good to me--somewhere around 330-350 HP, I'll take one. And he also said that they would be as the R34 Style, these may possibly be a more rare form as a version of the R35 is slated to be here as well.

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

biggie wrote:Yes, I did mean LHD not RHD. I do trust this guy and his info--he is not a sales person. He doesn't even drive a Nissan, he said he would be getting a Skyline though. He seems to think it will be the vq35 with single turbo. Sounds good to me--somewhere around 330-350 HP, I'll take one. And he also said that they would be as the R34 Style, these may possibly be a more rare form as a version of the R35 is slated to be here as well.
The R34 has been discontinued, so it will not make it here.

And as for the guesswork with the VQ35DET, I don't think they will make that engine. Manufacturers usually never go with a single turbo on an engine that large due to drivability issues. They will make it a twin turbo (if they use the VQ) so that it has less lag and is easier to drive on the street. Also, it is doubtful they will use a twin turbo on a V engine, because the plumbing needed will be too much for a stock car off the showroom floor. Not saying this won't happen, just not likely. But then again, Nissan *has* done it before with the 1st gen 300ZX.

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Postby biggie » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

From what I've seen so far the R35 needs to be changed before it comes over here. It looks a lil too much like the 350Z. They would create better sells by making it look more like the R34-R33 versions of the car--more aggressive stance, less like luxury.

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Postby hurddawg » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

The new Nissan Stagea has a VQ25DET available. Maybe that's what biggie is talking about?

The R35 would have to be luxury....otherwise it wouldn't fit infinity's line. Infinitys line-up would be very odd if it had only ine very aggressive-looking car. It would be better suited as a Nissan, if that was the case.

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

hurddawg wrote:The new Nissan Stagea has a VQ25DET available. Maybe that's what biggie is talking about?

The R35 would have to be luxury....otherwise it wouldn't fit infinity's line. Infinitys line-up would be very odd if it had only ine very aggressive-looking car. It would be better suited as a Nissan, if that was the case.
Look at Acura! I see Infiniti doing the same thing Acura has done with the NSX. A high end sports car/low end exotic that is used to sell the other models. You think they actually make money off of NSX's? No, ofcourse not. But having one on the showroom floor helps sell CL's, TL's, and Integras.

If you walked into an Infiniti showroom, and saw a R35 GTR, no luxury, all sport, you would be tempted to buy an Infiniti even though you can't afford the GTR. You might buy a G35 just because it's the same make as that "badass car you saw in the showroom."

Just my $.01

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Postby biggie » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Speaking of not affording, today I was looking at some of the motorex GT-Rs they have in stock. One day I will have one--but Good Lord that's a lot of money. The white R34 would be nice for 40K+. If no one has dreamed yet--- http://skylinegtr.com then the stock list link.

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Postby hurddawg » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

if that's the case, why couldn't the US GTR have a RB26DETT-type (despite its demise) engine? NSX doesn't seem to have a low-end torque engine. 224ft lb at 5500? seems high-end to me. I haven't seen a dynoplot of the 3.2L but I have a feeling its not the flatest of torque-curves, because of the car's nature.

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

hurddawg wrote:if that's the case, why couldn't the US GTR have a RB26DETT-type (despite its demise) engine? NSX doesn't seem to have a low-end torque engine. 224ft lb at 5500? seems high-end to me. I haven't seen a dynoplot of the 3.2L but I have a feeling its not the flatest of torque-curves, because of the car's nature.
Honda's are known for having for high revving, low torque engines. So it's Honda's nature to have a high revving 3.2L torqless V6.

Nissan is known for having very torqy engines. It's more of Nissan's nature to build a torqy engine rather than a high revving torqless engine.

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Postby hurddawg » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

well, i suppose it all makes sense.

if it follows GTR tradition in anyway, it should be turbo'd.

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Postby Daunttless » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

The next one won't be a GT-R anymore. : (

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Postby boMex » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

With all this talk about Nissan *maybe* bringing the skyline over to North America I just want to point out one thing. The skyline is already being sold in north america. The G35 is a rebadged skyline. The coupe will be here 2003 and that coupe will be the basis for the Skyline R35 GT-R in Japan, what it will be over here I don't know. But it will be an Infiniti. It will be a turbocharged VQ35, car positioned against the fastest cars on the market. and blah blah blah........All wheel drive....V-Spec........yadayadayada.........fast zoom whatev

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

boMex wrote:With all this talk about Nissan *maybe* bringing the skyline over to North America I just want to point out one thing. The skyline is already being sold in north america. The G35 is a rebadged skyline. The coupe will be here 2003 and that coupe will be the basis for the Skyline R35 GT-R in Japan, what it will be over here I don't know. But it will be an Infiniti. It will be a turbocharged VQ35, car positioned against the fastest cars on the market. and blah blah blah........All wheel drive....V-Spec........yadayadayada.........fast zoom whatev
Actually.....If you read my post, I already addressed the G35. It is the Skyline, but not the GT-R Skyline.

Also, the G35 coupe will be out this month, but it does NOT have a turbo VQ35. It is the same VQ35DE that is in the G35 (260 HP). It will also be tuned to 287 HP, just like the 350Z. And most importantly, it is NOT the basis for the GT-R. The GT-R is an R35 chassis. The G35 coupe will be on the Z33 (I'm guessing on this chassis code) chassis (same as the 350Z). The G35 coupe and 350Z will share many similarties, and the only *big* difference is the 350Z is a 2 seater, while the G35 coupe is a 2+2.

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Postby boMex » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

EZchheeezzzeeee! Hate to bust up your brain fart but the G35 coupe won't be available until November 2002 for you Americans and a little bit later for Canadians. Also the G35 coupe, sedan, and 350z all use the same platform, albeit modified in the 2 door cars.

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Postby DenverQ » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Look at the nissan.jp website the new skyline the the same as the g35

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Postby Stoneage_Turbo » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

i have heard the biggest reason we never got skyline was the steering shaft would have to routed through the turbos to make it LHD, haveing not seen the engine steering/shaft for myself i cant say for sure but thats what ive been told ,

by the way motorex will get a vist from me once i have tons o money , forget viper, vette and cobra , its be kinda fun to make a girl think shes gonna drive it , then bam no steering-wheel in front of her ...hehehehe ...cops would ticket my passengers , or at least freak out ..mawhahahaha..then again im the one with a Z06 on my desktop , im the only one in the world caught between the Z06 vette and the skyline as favorite street cars ..

still have to say the mk2 gt40, black with gold stripes is the best car out there ..then again the porsche 9-10 with 1100hp was even more awesome ..1100hp from about the same displacemnt as a KA24DE....then there was the big block greenwood vettes from 68-73.....

the life of a car enthusiast isnt easy is it ?

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Postby hurddawg » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Stoneage_Turbo wrote:i have heard the biggest reason we never got skyline was the steering shaft would have to routed through the turbos to make it LHD, haveing not seen the engine steering/shaft for myself i cant say for sure but thats what ive been told
I've heard the same thing. Seems like a stupid reason to me (ie Supra TTs were ok, I guess because the turbos are on other side of engine).

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Postby Nismo241 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

I think the main reason would be that nissan wasn't doing too good sales wise during the years of the skylines, and they figured why bring over a 50,000$ sports car when we can't even sell a 30,000 300zx. Thats why they got rid of all the 2 door "sports" cars in 99. That is the reason i heard, but the steering shaft makes a lot of sense too though.

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Postby hurddawg » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

I think the steering shaft problem was used for awhile...I think since the RB26DETT introduction. The R32 generation, IMHO, should have sold very well. Look how many Mk3 Supras that are around.

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Postby Chally » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

My info from Australia, is that the US will get a V8 GT-R. The rest of the world will get the 3.5l V6 & there is talk of the 2.6l being a Specialist version in Japan only. The 6cyl's will be turbocharged only.

Whatever happens, I'm sure the powers that be are having a good laugh at us all trying to predict the future :D

The model won't be called a Skyline either, it will be a dedicated model known only as the GT-R.

(I wonder how far MY info is off track, can't wait to find out):ylsuper :icesangel

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Postby EZcheese15 » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Chally wrote:My info from Australia, is that the US will get a V8 GT-R. The rest of the world will get the 3.5l V6 & there is talk of the 2.6l being a Specialist version in Japan only. The 6cyl's will be turbocharged only.

Whatever happens, I'm sure the powers that be are having a good laugh at us all trying to predict the future :D

The model won't be called a Skyline either, it will be a dedicated model known only as the GT-R.

(I wonder how far MY info is off track, can't wait to find out):ylsuper :icesangel
That sounds right, except I have a strong feeling the state's will also see a V8 GTR. The V6 would make the car too similar to the 350Z. That, and people up here like big engines with lots of torque.

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Postby nametakennow » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

This is a long post, if you read any read ALL! I got the following reply to an email sent to consumer affairs at Nissan-Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance.Nissan is not marketing the GT-R in the United States. Basically, this vehicle needs a great deal of modifications to pass U.S. industry specifications on safety and emission standards. While there is no doubt that this vehicle do attract a lot of attention and command a high demand in the market, as is apparent in the markets in other parts of the world, the cost of modifications far exceed the profit possibilities of introducing the same vehicle here in the U.S.Please contact your nearest Nissan dealer or contact a gray market retailer nearest you. For additional information on the importation of gray market vehicles, you can contact either the EPA or NHTSA:EPA (202) 382-2504NHTSA (202) 366-9550Nissan does not recommend importing gray market vehicles due to time and cost factors. If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to email me.Sincerely,LianaNational Consumer Affairs-That email was only edited for size. Now, we all know consumer affairs is full of crap anyway cause they won't tell you squat, but that response was to an email that read something like- Will Nissan be offering a Skyline GT-R in the US? I plead with you to do so. If the problem is making money you should realize that we in the US want something like the GT-R. Rich guys would buy it as a playtoy, and true enthusiasts would buy it for more obvious reasons. Right now, the only way to get our hands on this beloved vehicle is to import it through comapies like Motorex. etc... - Anyway, it was phrased better and stuff, but you get the drift. So, then I read in mags that they are bringing it as a form of the G35. "Yay!" not till 2007 "Nay!" Basically, I trying to say, if it happens, it isn't for a little while, and even then it will be watered down for at least a year, EVO-esk. Nissan, and all other car companies think of North America as some rich-arse stuck up group of yuppies who drive Vetts and get in wrecks, this perception is not likely to change for some time, thus we will not have a GT-R here anytime in the next five years, Skyline yes, GT-R, no.

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Postby Chally » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

Sounds like policy. Deny everything & then do exactly what you said you won't do... :oface

NTN (nametakennow), we all hope you are wrong & the GT-R gets there much earlier. We've had ETA's like the end of Next year, for the states, but as usual, all the times are just speculation.

The good news, Australia will get it as soon as a Grey Importer gets it here, ie: straight from Japanese showroom to Aussie Showroom. :D

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Postby nametakennow » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:15 am

I hope I'm wrong too.


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