Blackberry 10 not linking to car

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I just got a new Blackberry Q10 and it is, unfortunately, not on the Infiniti approved Bluetooth list. Still too new for them, I guess! My previous Blackberry Curve linked perfectly. I tried linking the Q10 to my car's Bluetooth anyway. While the Q10 detected the car, it did not connect, even after I entered the recommended '1234' pin. I have a 2008 M45X with Nav system.

Has anyone else had a similar problem, or ideally, a solution. :gotme

If not, this is going to be very inconvenient, since I am in my car on business regularly and need access to my phone. I sure would prefer not to have to go to a headset. Any suggestions are gratefully accepted.


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I remember a previous thread relating to bluetooth matching that said we can only have one phone connected thru bluetooth and we need to remove the old phone from our car's bluetooth system before adding a new one. If you haven't already done that, it's worth a try.

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Seems simple to me. Stop the car when on the phone for an important business call that will need your serious attention that would seriously deter your driving ability that might cause you to kill yourself and/or someone else.

Get out of the car and normally use your phone as any rational person might.

Damn, conducting business while driving!! Geeeezzzzuuusssss..!!!

I guess you watch movies too...

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Read on the crack berry forum that others are also experiencing this issue. They think its v10.1 that's the cause. You can try another version

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These cars use quite old (now days at least) bluetooth modules, so as the years go by we will be seeing more and more incompatibilities and phones start using much higher and newer versions of Bluetooth, and as always companies do not conform properly to standards for one reason or another. My guess would be wait for a driver fix in your phone and hope the backwards compatibility works then.

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Larz, msvara and Enigma,

All good comments. I have also gone on the Crackberry forum, and there seem to be others having the same problem, but others who are having no problem, so it is a little frustrating. I also thought it might be that our Bluetooth version might out of date or not compatible, and a number of users think that is the problem. However, according to a number of the 'experts' on the Crackberry forum (and to use their words), 'Bluetooth is Bluetooth' and should work with any Bluetooth enabled device. According to them it is not Bluetooth itself, but the pairing protocols in some car kits, that create the problems.

There are a number of people on the Crackberry forum with older Audis, Bimmers, etc. who have had no problem linking, which tends to support the second theory above. There was also one guy who has a 2008 Infiniti FX35 who was able to link, but could only use it in phone mode, not for music or any other links, which would be fine by me. He suggested making sure you are somewhere where you have a strong signal and to activate the 'Discoverable for two minutes' mode in the Blackberry first and then initiate the link from the car's screen next. I was doing it in the opposite direction, so hopefully it might be that simple. I am going to try that first. If that doesn't work, then I will try the suggestion from Larz and erase my old phone data and try it again.

I will report back on my success (or lack thereof). Thanks for your help.

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antzrus wrote:
Damn, conducting business while driving!! Geeeezzzzuuusssss..!!!

I guess you watch movies too...
Antzrus,

I have often enjoyed your sometimes subtle, but often sarcastic humour, but have noticed that you also often shoot from the hip without sufficient facts. As one old fart to another, I wish to remind you what they always say about what happens when you 'assume'. :tisk:

First off, try walking in the other person's shoes for a bit before you go off on a diatribe! Your comments in and of themselves are not an unreasonable position, but in this case you have made assumptions that are grossly erroneous. :mad:

First, lets review what I actually said. Not once did I say that I conducted business while driving! I said that I am in my car a lot during the day on business and needed access to my phone. The subtlety of that distinction was obviously lost on you. Using anything other than a hands-free phone in the province of Ontario is not only illegal, but subject to a hefty fine. It can apply even if you are stopped in traffic at a light and not moving.

Also, I notice you indicate your Nav is a hacked version - hopefully not the hack that lets you watch movies on the front screen while driving! I am not sure what capabilities it actually gives you, but I have the OEM Nav system that allows me to operate my phone with limited voice commands and quick button selections while I am in the car and without having to put on a mike or headset. Also, while I have the rear DVD entertainment system in my car, since it is the OEM and not hacked, I have no capability to watch anything but my GPS and NavTraffic display while the car is in motion!

Let's also put this into some perspective. From your profile, you are retired and live in Wenatchee, which my sources indicate has a population of less than 50K. I have travelled through Washington and you are in a beautiful, but essentially rural area, in the middle of the state; a very different reality than mine. The Greater Toronto Area has a population in excess of 5.5 million and is one of the most heavily built-up areas in North America, with traffic congestion almost 24-hours-a-day to go with it. It is not unusual for me to spend up to an hour, or even more, in traffic on my way to a meeting. It is a completely different reality than you have to deal with! :slap:

It is still necessary for me to keep in touch with my office while on the road. If I have to conduct business, I do find a place to pull over in a parking lot or a side street. Using the hands-free phone in the car means my hands are free to take notes or look at a file, if necessary, while still conducting a conversation. However, If I am stopped dead in the middle of an accident back-up on a freeway, and still 15 or 20 minutes from being able to exit, the hands-free phone at least gives me the option to do a quick call to my next meeting to let them know I am running late, which usually takes less than a minute and is not an engrossing conversation. In fact, I always declare that I am on my phone, so that they don't try to start a conversation. That is the extent of my using the phone while on the actual road.

Like you, I swear every day at those who conduct lengthy and prolonged calls on their cell phones while driving. In spite of our laws, many of them continue to make it even worse by using a non-hands-free phone with one hand holding it to their ear. So I understand where your comments were coming from. However, in future if you have some concerns, I respectfully suggest you ask a few questions first, before you let loose with Diatribe #33! And have some compassion for the other person's reality. Otherwise, I may have to borrow that 155 mm. howitzer from the Canadian artillery that we talked about and come looking for you. :poke:

Enough already!

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Ah, a reasonable reply-from a basically rational (sounding at least... ;-) person. I indeed do have the hack that allows my wife, the navigator the freedom of goofing around w/it while I'm driving. I have yet to watch a video on the thing, altho I do occasionally answer short social calls by bluetooth and tell'em I'll get back later. I've been stuck on mtn passes in the Cascades for hours after an avalanche-but I still have yet to be prepared enuf to watch a Sophia Loren movie; I always forget to bring some DVD's along. I only pack'em for kids in the back seat.

I apparently misperceived your issue w/business calls. I apologize sincerely -in lieu of the 155mm colonoscopy. Shooting from the hip is the only way. If you wait too long, you usually will think better and miss a golden opportunity to be seen as just plain rude... ;-)

How did you get the idea I am aghast @ folks who spend their time on the phone, while completely ignoring their driving?

Yes, "reciprocal inhibition(see http://www.psychologyconcepts.com/recip ... nhibition/)" occurs completely blocking out the driving when concentration is diverted to the phone. It's physically impossible to think/concentrate on two or more things at once; we call that kind of thinking "multitasking"-moving our concentration from one think/perception to another, each time reciprocally inhibiting the previous perception/thought.

I also ride a bicycle and have had one friend killed here in Wenatchee and have seen a good half dozen over the years killed by inattentive drivers on the phone, texting and/or picking up something that dropped. Senseless tragedies for all concerned.

As I've said before on another list I've spent more than 50 years driving around just talking to myself w/no problem-and no arguments either.

If anyone else reads our replies to one another, hopefully they listen and learn from the issue.

PS Yeah, my sarcasm can be a somewhat macabre sense of humor which I have acquired inexplicably over the past 4 decades of wars, rapes, murders, attempted suicides, beatings, lost jobs, terminal illnesses, chronic pain, substance abuse, severe mental illnesses, deaths of loved ones, divorces, lawsuits and just a veritable smörgåsbord of such human experience.


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quinner49er wrote: 'Bluetooth is Bluetooth' and should work with any Bluetooth enabled device.
While true that Bluetooth is supposed to always be backwards compatible with all its previous versions, the reality on many phones is that some things work and some dont. I am an Android person and have seen a lot with custom kernels and ROMs on various phones. On my Galaxy Nexus a lot of people actually wanted some of the ROM dev's to revert to a previous version of the bluetooth stack in the AOSP code because the newer one added one feature but broke one or two others and some people could no longer connect to their car. So the software side of things in the phone can definitely have a lot to do with the proper workings of a device.

However in this case if there are multiple people with the same phone and same car, yet some are having trouble while others are not, then this should point to some issue elsewhere rather than a bug or some other issue within a certain implementation.

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antzrus wrote:
I apologize sincerely -in lieu of the 155mm colonoscopy. ;-)

How did you get the idea I am aghast @ folks who spend their time on the phone, while completely ignoring their driving?

If anyone else reads our replies to one another, hopefully they listen and learn from the issue.



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Antzrus - Apology happily accepted. I really wasn't looking forward to the long drive out to Washington towing a howitzer behind me, plus the rental cost for something big enough to haul it, since neither my M nor my wife's Volvo wagon would be up to the task. On the other hand, everyone over 50 should have a regular colonoscopy. I could have saved you the cost of one, not to mention gagging down the awful-tasting cleanser the night before. :chuckle:

On a more serious vein, I think we are both on the same page about our thoughts on inattentive driving, whatever the cause. Hopefully our little exchange will give others some pause for thought and save someone else or themselves from serious injury or death. Between the two of us we have almost 100 years of driving experience. I also have had friends killed in road accidents and it was usually preventable with a little more care or attention on someone's part.

I have driven throughout North America and Europe under all sorts of conditions and on some of the most famous and challenging roads on both continents. I particularly love the beauty and the challenge of driving through the mountains, whether a twisty Appalachian pass or the higher climbs in the Sierras, Cascades and Rockies. The most challenging for me was probably the Bear Tooth Pass out of Yellowstone on the Wyoming/Montana border in 110 degree Fahrenheit heat. It is the highest altitude I have ever been, other than in an aircraft, although the top of Haleakala on Maui in Hawaii was a close second.

Like you, I love to drive, especially in a great car on interesting roads ... and when I do so my focus is on the driving. May you and everyone else have fun, but stay safe. :dblthumb:

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Well, success at last. :mike I can't be sure which method actually worked since it took me several attempts for my Blackberry to actually discover my car phone, but they eventually did link successfully. Everything seems to be working just fine.

First I found a large shopping mall parking lot where I was getting a full, strong signal. I had noticed before that the signal strength varied in my driveway, where I tried originally. I also tried doing the link in reverse sequence (setting up the phone to be discoverable first), but after two or three attempts it did not take. It only indicated that no device was detected.

So I deleted my old phone off the car memory, as suggested by Larz, and tried again. This time it worked, but only after three or four attempts. So I don't really know if it would also have worked if I had just kept trying, without the delete of my old phone first. However, in the end it doesn't matter, since my new Q10 is now linked and working fine. The only downside of deleting my old phone is that it also wiped out all my phonebook entries, so I will have to download those again from the Q10.

Thanks to everyone for your comments, help and support. :wavey:

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quinner49er wrote:
antzrus wrote:
I apologize sincerely -in lieu of the 155mm colonoscopy. ;-)

How did you get the idea I am aghast @ folks who spend their time on the phone, while completely ignoring their driving?

If anyone else reads our replies to one another, hopefully they listen and learn from the issue.



:gotme

Like you, I love to drive, especially in a great car on interesting roads ... and when I do so my focus is on the driving. May you and everyone else have fun, but stay safe. :dblthumb:
Whoa-I can relax that pucker... :blush: Ditto Bro!


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