Big Servicing Fault With R35 GTR's

[arethirtytwo]

i was reading a magazine over here in NewZealand Called autocar they were test driving the new R35 gtr and i read the article and it says on the last page that there is a huge fault with the r35 gtrs. It states that once it has done 100,000kms the engine needs to be serviced but this isn't any old service the motor has to be taken out and the plasma lining on the aluminium block needs to be reapplied .So a big thing to look out for with buying a imported r35 gtr

[jdm_master_X]

plasma lining?

[arethirtytwo]

yes, plasma linning they have a plasma linning in the bores because they are a aluminium block

[StricNyne]

man when u can afford a r35 number one u probally dont give a damn u got the money for the service, and number 2 screw u for being able to afford it (jus jokin !)

[pm_page6776]

I just finished GT-R factory training and there is nothing in the manual or training that requires the plasma lining be serviced or replaced at any interval. There have been reports of pistons welding themselves to the cylinder block. This has been due to the engines being highly modified. There have been many more reports of transmission failures (neutral drops) than engine issues. Being a high boost turbo engine I am sure there will be some longevity issues , but it is too early to tell.

[Blue Batmobile]

interesting...

Bat

[Evo_bill]

they should have put a revised rb26 in it, but no .....

[Kalypso]

inline motors

ftw

[themadscientist]

It just keeps getting better and better. My FJ20 finally popped a head gasket after 23 years .

[s13_350sx]

I can assure you that the plasma never has to be resprayed and if i did come to that point, short block replacment would be required.

[themadscientist]

**** that, sleeve that *****.

[irax]

they should have put a revised rb26 in it, but no .....

sure.... an rb26... an engine that has not been in any nissan backed racing team since 2002.... thats what you want, old technology. **** might as well put an iron block i8 from an archaic mercedes it's so great. have you even driven a GTR?

[raremotive]

sure.... an rb26... an engine that has not been in any nissan backed racing team since 2002.... thats what you want, old technology. **** might as well put an iron block i8 from an archaic mercedes it's so great. have you even driven a GTR?

rb26 ran by steam power? where do I shovel the coal into it?

You be surprised how much old technology is being used... in your "new technology" emphasis. Innovation isn't about rejecting old technology, it's about using it to bring the new and better.

What you fail to recognize is that it's marketing stand point of Nissan. Any car designed is based on performance to be met and how cheap they can manufacture it. They produce only v-6 and i-4, to mass produce a straight 6 line would be expensive just to have exclusively for the GTR. With the v-6 you are able to produce parts for all models, which in turn saves you cost than trying to produce individual part for each model.

For every part you have you have to design a manufacturing process for it. If the parts are similar enough, you can use the same manufacturing line with minor changes... again saving money.

The GTR design was based on circuit racing. That's the origin of the GTR and thats how it's going to stay as. So having that said, the GTR will perform and last a long time if you circuit race it. Drag racing? You are introducing a whole new level of stresses in the drive train and engine that is wasn't designed for. So duh, it's not going to last stand still launching. GTR design to be driven fast, not for you to be a idiot in.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 10:42 PM 10/25/2008

[themadscientist]

sure.... an rb26... an engine that has not been in any nissan backed racing team since 2002.... thats what you want, old technology. **** might as well put an iron block i8 from an archaic mercedes it's so great. have you even driven a GTR?

This 30 year old motor would make your gizmo plasma-lined whiney ****** new GT-R motor sweat with only 4 cylinders and 2 liters.



http://www.turbocreations.com/fj20/s12dragcar/

Here is what you would see through the windshield of an R35, taillights.http://www.turbocreations.com/...9.mpg

That one clicks off 9s, what's the x-box R doing? Oh wait, I forgot it would puke its nifty transmission on the 16th launch and tell on you with a black box reading.

It worked then, it still does, the RB26 worked then, it still does, the L28 worked then, still does. And none of them have had the difficulties this new mill has had and will likely have in a year even after 20-30 years of operation. Just because something new comes out doesn't mean the stuff that came before suddenly stops working, you need to recognize.

That being said the calls to put an RB26 in the R35 are silly. Engines change, there is no way around it. I have seen the FJ dropped for the RB, I was not happy but there is no preventing it. My beloved CA was usurped by the SR, it happens, get over it. In both those examples the new motors accorded themselves well and made their own place in the pantheon. These new VQ and VR engines have yet to impress but they are still young. We shall see if they can make a legend for themselves, so far I am seriously underwhelmed.

[raremotive]

[irax]

ohh great how did i know some one was going to bring up the FJ20DET

The whole plasma lining replacement is false as per what PM_page and other nissan GTR techs have said. Also what other factory nissan motor came standard with 473 hp?

[themadscientist]

The RB26DETT as well. Your statement was silly.

As far as the plasma lining thing, if it is the same deal as an SR20 block it is probably not a problem. They do fine, unless a ring gouges it or you do a rebuild and the cylinder is at all worn but that is not a design flaw.

[irax]

in what FACTORY form of original production did the RB26DETT produce 473?

Z tune and N1 don't count

[themadscientist]

in what FACTORY form of original production did the RB26DETT produce 473?

Z tune and N1 don't count

Limited production but still production with a warantee and factory servicing so it very much counts. As much as you wish it didn't.

http://www.nismo.co.jp/Z-tune/contents_e.html

500hp from 2.8 liters, NOT 3.8

That is roughly 178ps per liter to the VR's 125hp per liter even with all that valvetrain BS in the heads, hurts don't it?

http://www.nismo.co.jp/Z-tune/data_e/2.html

The Z tune represents Nissan pulling out all the stops on the R34 platform, something all the R35 leghumpers like to tout about the R35 so both vehicles were built with the same philosophy. It was a fully factory serviced production vehicle as well even though they only made 20 So it represents a perfect example to hold the gizmo R up against. Do you honestly think it was beyond the capability of Nissan to mass produce these in comparable numbers to the R35? It was an exercise for ****s and giggles at a time when there were no competitors for such a vehicle. Times have changed making such a vehicle a viable mass production product as I am sure R35 sales will attest. The R34 was a couple of years old, it was time to do a model change, the RB26 had shined in three different Rs for over a decade, it was time to try something new just because it was time not because the engine was a liability so your statement was silly, bordering on stupid.

[irax]

yeah Z tune counts with a production of 20.... NAWT!!neither does the N1 at 45~ not even enough to get into SCCA homoglinization(SP?) I'm pretty sure its at least 800

but the Z tune wasn't a production car, Nissan bought back r34 GTR's from their owners and built them up, no nissan would not have been able to mass produce these to the likes of the new GTR, have you forgot between 1996~ and 2004~ Nissan has been pretty much struggling?

I am not saying the engine was a liability.I am saying the R35 is leaps and bounds on a base model against the older GTR base model and that everyone crying about not having an RB or a manual transmission seriously needs to grow up and stop bitching.

and yeah i know having a circuit citys ware house worth of computers and sensors really takes away the feel of driving the car but it doesn't mean that the new GTR is any less breath taking to drive.

[raremotive]

yeah Z tune counts with a production of 20.... NAWT!!neither does the N1 at 45~ not even enough to get into SCCA homoglinization(SP?) I'm pretty sure its at least 800

but the Z tune wasn't a production car, Nissan bought back r34 GTR's from their owners and built them up, no nissan would not have been able to mass produce these to the likes of the new GTR, have you forgot between 1996~ and 2004~ Nissan has been pretty much struggling?

I am not saying the engine was a liability.I am saying the R35 is leaps and bounds on a base model against the older GTR base model and that everyone crying about not having an RB or a manual transmission seriously needs to grow up and stop bitching.

and yeah i know having a circuit citys ware house worth of computers and sensors really takes away the feel of driving the car but it doesn't mean that the new GTR is any less breath taking to drive.

Actually 2002 Nissan was struggling. Enter Carlos Ghosn. The company been prosperous ever since. Carlos is responsible for the demise of the GTR in 2002.

Another thing you are missing is something called the gentleman's agreement that was between the japanese/others? auto manufacturers that limited and in ways restricted production vehicles hp at those times. Now? It is non-existent, which doesn't limit production vehicles hp. So your comparison is again invalid and rather stupid.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 2:43 PM 10/26/2008

[MinisterofDOOM]

My understanding has always been that there was essentially NO possible way to make the RB work with US regulations, especially making 500hp. Which means a GTR with the RB is a GTR that's not sold here. I'm fairly sure that that is a large part of the reason that the new GTR has an all-new motor. The new GTR was intended from the beginning to be a world-market car. It couldn't be with an RB.

[raremotive]

My understanding has always been that there was essentially NO possible way to make the RB work with US regulations, especially making 500hp. Which means a GTR with the RB is a GTR that's not sold here. I'm fairly sure that that is a large part of the reason that the new GTR has an all-new motor. The new GTR was intended from the beginning to be a world-market car. It couldn't be with an RB.

Skylines are being imported and legalized in USA. In order for this to happen the rb has to pass at least federal emissions. So that statement is not true.

You have to look historically what was happening was a tariff known as the VER... so USA lost a lot of chances to get nice stuff all because american goods were not doing so hot.

But to mention this it's only a presumption that the RB was on the list of goodies we lost out on.

Anyways, this argument isn't about having the rb in the new gtr. It's dead, not because it's old technology. But because costs. And I already said it.

What you fail to recognize is that it's marketing stand point of Nissan. Any car designed is based on performance to be met and how cheap they can manufacture it. They produce only v-6 and i-4, to mass produce a straight 6 line would be expensive just to have exclusively for the GTR. With the v-6 you are able to produce parts for all models, which in turn saves you cost than trying to produce individual part for each model.

For every part you have you have to design a manufacturing process for it. If the parts are similar enough, you can use the same manufacturing line with minor changes... again saving money.