beginner/intermediate drift suspension upgrade path

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AJ-SPEC
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Car: 1995 240sx/se, 5 lug, no sunroof, no lsd

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What's up, I was hoping some of the drifters out there could help us newbies out. the search function give some hella unspecific info (most of the other forums, too).

Helpful info:What have you done to your car? Most importantly, why?What order did you do them in?What would you say is very important to begin with first, and why? Where would you go from there?What are some important specific parts that we should keep an eye on? (parts under the most stress)

The Import Racer Drift mag suggested maintenance first. Make sure your bushings and ball joints are in good condition, not torn or leaking.

Tires- for beginners, rear tire grip isn't that imortant. youshould run a 15-16inch wheel so you can afford more tires. run a fairly sticky tire up front, tread rating 200-300. for rears, you want something you can smoke all day, so a 300-400 tread rating would be optional.

less than 200hp- 195/60/15, or 205I have stock se wheels, so I run 205/55/16 high performance tirerear, 195-205/55-60/15-16 all season200-280hp- medium to high performance tire, front-215/xx/xx, rear 215/xx/xx350-400hp- high performance tire, 215/40/17 or 225/40/17 (front) and 235/40/17 or 245/40/17.

then they go into suspension, stock being ok at first, suggesting bushing upgrades, energy susp. or whiteline, maybe adj. arms and pillowball replacements. coilovers are helpful but not necessary. camber is important, suggested -2 to -3 degrees.

talk a bit about wheels, basically saying don't drift on wheels you don't want to get scratched or something. it's a good Idea to have a set of two tires and wheels to get home on.

go into brakes, saying pads are important, z32 upgrade nice but not necessary, but pads can definitely help as well as good rotors. Brake lines will also give a better feel as well. then they talk about the LSD, being important also, but not 100% necessary. this is debateable because many say that this will hurt you learning curve trying to drift open (like me :( ) and in Japan, the only folks drifiting on stock lsd are beginners, typically getting passed by other beginners. I found some good info that says basically Kaaz is the only good lsd, that they have a good number of plates (10-12) which aid in durability and effectiveness, as opposed to Nismo and a couple of others who only have 3 or 4. don't completely understand how this works, just thought that it was interesting. if anyone wants to know more, I'll try and find the link.

Next, they go into power, basically saying don't get more until you are ready. that's about it.

Then seats, which hold you in place and keep you from bouncing around the ****pit. comfort is essential, keeping you concentrated more on driving than staying on the driver's side.

that's about it, I was hoping people would make coments and post what works for them, and some of the other components, such as tie rods, t/c rods, etc. Hope this thread helps out a lot of people (including me :D )


ilikenissan
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you have that drifting mag too? That mag rules. i like the coupe on the inside cover with the silvia front end conversion on it.Read the article on Kosuke Kidas 800Hp Gt-R34. ohhh its bad..

AJ-SPEC
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Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:15 pm
Car: 1995 240sx/se, 5 lug, no sunroof, no lsd

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yeah, it's pretty nice...:ylsuper

Looking at it made me see that there wasn't really any specific stuff to do to your car. I mean, there are things you can do, but a lot of new people don't know what any of that does, or what to do first. When I had my eclipse, there were many pages to go to for upgrade paths for engine and suspension. I guess if you have a Nissan, you should already be blessed with the knowledge...

makes me wonder why Kida says our car setup sucks... (june issue of Super Street)

F4ucc
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I too, read that mag too.

not too bad.

My experience is get suspension first, then LSD. a 2-way is generally prefered, however you have to be able to shift the weight, otherwise you might find yourself "Undertseer Big time" .

Well, with a LSD you at least could start with doing donut, then gradually contorl the drift in a circle. anyway, get a LSD you will like it.

leter

the_invisible
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okay, I have a 95 240sx with 130k miles on it. It is completely stock right now, but I ordered a front clip and have all the bolt ons and upgrades to generate 200+hp at the wheels. My suspension right now is stock, the ones that come with the car. Ball joints, shocks/struts, bushings, tie rod ends, all these are stock. stock wheels. The only mods I have are brembo drilled/slotted rotors, brake lines, and performance pads. I also have LSD and no rear sway bar.

I drift the hell out of my car right now because since my suspension and engine will be replaced soon, it takes the abuse. I find that the stock suspension is not that great for drifting. First, it is too soft and can cause understeer. you can correct it with the throttle, but the KA may be under powered to correct an understeer in turns where you wanted to drift. But I drift at mountain roads where the roads are tight, so maybe that doesnt apply. Still, the stock suspension is enough if you do things properly. If you drift around cones like Benson Hsu, then i guess the technique is more different???? Bottom line, stock 240sx can drift, but it may not be as predictable and as easy as a modded one. Drifting a high mileage 240sx is kinda scary because the suspension is mushy.

Power, well, if you drift on tight mountain roads, I can tell you that high power is not necessary. It may be useful to break the rear end loose, but it can also be dangerous. maybe its just me. I find the stock KA have enough torque to loose the rear end in 2nd gear at a tight hairpin.

i have never drifted a non-LSD 240sx, so i dont know if the LSD is needed or not, but I have one and I think it's good? stock LSD will eventually die and make grinding noise if you drift the heck out of them. so in the future, be prepared to upgrade the LSD to an aftermarket one.

My tires are Falken Ziex ZE512 205 60 15 on stock s14 15" light weight rims. They are excellent tires for drifting because it has 420 treadwear. but they suck in the rain.

also, i think stronger brake pads at the back is essential imho. u dont wanna understeer in a drift by pressing the brake. endless has some drifting brake pads made specifically for the rear brakes.

tie rods, ball joints, bushings. these things are stressed when the car is sideway. u may wanna replace those first.

rear subframe spacers can't hurt either. while drifting, the rear subframe moves too much, making the rear end feels down right weird!

i think that learning to drift in a stock 240sx is the best idea. As you get better, you will find what part of your car needs replacing. Right now, I am still a newbie at the sport and I find that my stock s14 is pretty good. I just need to find what needs to be replaced to enhance my drifting experience.

My upcoming project is an sr swap with lots of bolt ons (check out my car domain page in my sig). Then after that, coilovers and solid T/C Rods. Maybe when i get better, I may need a 2 way LSD.

sorry i am of no help because i am a newbie, but i thought i should share my experience, as a newbie. hehe..

AJ-SPEC
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thanks for your input man, that's pretty helpful. I'm drifting bone stock, and I have an open diff. also. I think I'll have to settle with that for the drift session in Houston, but I think that will be one of the first mods that I do. I will go straight to the Kaaz 1.5. I think I'm going to upgrade some bushings, maybe the spacers in the rear, and tie rods/ends. these things seem to affect the ride the most, and the tie rods tend to bend on a bumpy course.

I'm not sure about the lsd though, I can break away pretty quickly, and the lsd adds more traction which will make a lower hp car harder to initiate into a drift. But I hear at the same time it's easier to control. Unfortunately I don't have the money to upgrade the motor and suspension at the same time (bastard! :D ) but I'm doing alright with it, I'm just paranoid about my stock components because it feels like I'm understeering more. But you are definitely right about the brakes, I can only go for about 10 min. before I understeer like a mad bastard.

AJ-SPEC
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Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:15 pm
Car: 1995 240sx/se, 5 lug, no sunroof, no lsd

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Hey, I have a 95 also, 110k miles. How is your stock suspension holding up? Has anything broke? How many miles have you drifted on it?

the_invisible
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My car has about 126k miles. The stock shocks and bushings and tie rods/ball joints are all doing fine. No leaks or rust or anything. The car doesn't bounce around due to poor shocks and shot bushings. I guess either the previous owner drove my car on smooth roads or that the 240sx suspension were made really tough to stand abuse. Cars like Sentras and Maximas will have blown shocks and bent ball joints when they reach 50k miles. Afterall, the 240sx is meant to be drifted, given the fact that it has 7 degree of caster.

Fortunately, nothing has broken yet. Even the engine and engine/transmission mounts are really good. No vibration at idle. I've been drifting for a month now since.

Also, I found that if you understeer, crank the steering all the way. the positive caster and the small steering radius can easily help you solve the understeering. But in my case, I am talking about tight hairpins on mountain roads, so that may not apply to show drift or professional drifts.

I really want the SPL T/C Rods and subframe bushings. Then when I get some coilovers, I am set. Maybe I can also get a stock rear sway bar or a whiteline one.

drift star
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ive broke a few things but thats just from hard pratice. ive blown my front right shock and ive snaped a tie rod


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