Been debating whether to post this...

Post by **[Zero-S]** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

http://www.msnbc.com/news/945974.asp

If you're gonna discuss it, keep it civil like uh...trueslides thread. If not, AZ close it immediatley.

Post by **Jesda** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I dont think it should be a federal issue.

Post by **Megaseth** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I dont see how a marriage between two people of the same sex is a real marriage, but yeah, i dont think it should be a nation wide law. i think states should be able to decided whether or not they will recognize a "marriage" between gay couples.

Post by **[Zero-S]** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Even though it is my personal oppinion that same sex marriage is wrong, I don't feel that the federal government should interfere with it.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

democratic government = mob rule

Post by **skydragoness** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

although the government should not interfere with something as personal as people's sexual preferences--this is certain.. BUT it's not about ethics, or things being morally wrong either. it's more about money and the government not wanting to give up the benefits that heterosexual married couples receive in reference to tax deductions/compensations in the workplace, etc etc. that's what i think it's really about anyhow. the "backlash against gays" reason is just a cover.

Post by **Thee 240sx Owner** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I think its cuz we have a problem with the guy doing it... The gurls on the other hand...

Post by **skydragoness** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I H8 UR DSM wrote:democratic government = mob rule

so true!

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

^ ^ ^I like that Girl!

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I H8 UR DSM wrote:democratic government = mob rule

Welcome to California.

Post by **redrocket** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

^^^^^see thats just your cover up we all know you are opposed to bush on this debate

I for one am glad for him to stand his ground. We all know New York didn't have people to stand up and say no and now they have school just specificly for gays so that means more money out of the tax payers to pay for a school thats there to segregate students that last I know here in MS the us government sent in troops to protect a certain race of students and allowing them to go to a segregated school and dropped all segregation due to it being some what unconstitional

Post by **MainEvent212** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

what the hell? um, this is ridiculous...marraige is a joining between two people, i really dont like the idea of gay couples, as it makes me uncomfortable to tell the truth, but that's not my business. fact of the matter is that just like interracial couples, gay/lesbian couples should be allowed to do as they please (within the law of course)

segregation is segregation, whether it's because of skin color, or which hole you prefer to stick it in...lol

Post by **Megaseth** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

How far do you go with interracial couples? Technically there are only 3 races. Caucasian, Black and Asian. dont believe me, look it up in the dictionary. they use the scientific words and i dont remember them. so going by that definition, my GF and i are ok since we arent interracial. but if you mean ethnic groups, then we're not the same, although i dont see anything wrong with that.

Post by **Anand** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE has the same right, weather they are Black/White/Brown/Asian/Purple/Green/Straight/Gay...that goes for their religion as well...

I don't think the Government should be the one controling peoples personal lives.. People should be free to chose what they want to do... this is the same damn issue with abortion!!

There are many ignorant people out there, just because they don't think it is right does not make it bad or vice-a-versa.

Live and Let live! It is after all the Land of the FREE!!! isn't it??

why can't same sex marriages have the same benifit as opposite sex??? Why can't they have the same respect as any others??? Give me one good reason besides... "ewwww" or "that's just wrong" and please leave religion out of it because frankly NO ONE(with a few exceptions) follows the word of God to that extent....

Post by **Jesda** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Some rights and priveliges just dont make sense, like gay people entering into a heterosexual type of union. Or girls being boy scouts. Or boys being girl scouts. Or dogs eating cat food.

Regardless, keep it a state issue, so gays can move to the accepting state of their choice and live how they choose to live.

Post by **nissanrose** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

i agree 110& jesda!!!

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

well, I say we let them get married and ship them all off to France but that's just my opinion.

Next week I'll share my idea on where to test new nuclear weapons on a little chunk of land in europe that the world could do without anyhow.....

Paul

Post by **Fezzik** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Marriage was derived from a latin word meaning union of man and woman. This is a really brief and undescriptive definition. This is the meaning of marriage. The union of two guys or two gals, is not considered marriage. Dont get me wrong. I dont believe it's good to be gay, but that is what my Christian belief is. I dont go discriminating against gays and i have friends that are gay, but under definintion two people of the same sex can not be married. Now the definition didnt say that an asian woman and a caucasion man's union isnt a marriage. They are man and woman, so they fall under that definition. Now if two people of the same sex want to get married, we need to invent a new word for it. Its not hard, have them agree on a word. We create words like crazy. Look how the internet has created so many new words. So my opinion and belief, if two couples of the same sex want a union or bond, then create a new word for but dont call it a marriage.

Post by **UncleBen** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

As Black240 said, no one follows the Word of God as close as we are supposed to, but as a christian I think, no, I know that being gay is a sin, and, if anything, *physically* wrong. Man and woman have the sexual parts they are supposed to have, and those parts work together. It isnt' supposed to work with two guys, two girls. Why do you think humans are made the way they are? But, aside from a religious stand-point, it makes me sick to think of a guy sticking his, well, AHHHH. They are making all these gay TV shows now and as Robbie said, schools just for gays. What is the world coming to? Makes me not want to even be alive hardly, just because of all the crap that has been going on. Dont take this as me thinking of suicide, but crap, the world is going crazy.

Post by **Fezzik** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I tried to give a non opinionated non religion view above to prove my fact, but I want to go on and say that The US good ole' of A was founded on a Christian belief ("In God we Trust") and that same sex marriages should not be allowed in the USA because of that reason, but if the gays want to be together then they should NOT call it a marriage. It's a sin and stated many times in the OT and NT of the bible. I mean look what happened to sodom and gemorah (apologize for the spelling)

Post by **S14Life** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I don't have a problem with gays, especially lesbians

. The thing that most peoply don't like is the idea of 2 MEN being together. IMO thats just nasty in every deimention conceivable. But then again, I guess you would have to be gay to understand the importance of the topic. Goverment interference is stupid, it's just another form of segregation. Even if they put a ban on same sex marriages, I doubt it would last..

Post by **UncleBen** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Fezzik wrote:I tried to give a non opinionated non religion view above to prove my fact, but I want to go on and say that The US good ole' of A was founded on a Christian belief ("In God we Trust") and that same sex marriages should not be allowed in the USA because of that reason, but if the gays want to be together then they should NOT call it a marriage. It's a sin and stated many times in the OT and NT of the bible. I mean look what happened to sodom and gemorah (apologize for the spelling)

Preach on brotha, preach on. :ylsuper

Post by **MaineExport** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Megaseth wrote:Technically there are only 3 races. Caucasian, Black and Asian. they use the scientific words and i dont remember them.

FYI... incase you really want to know:

Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid.

Post by **Megaseth** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

he-hey, thats them. thought i remembered them somewhat correctly.

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

Paul thinks JUST like I do...I actually have said the island and nuke bit before

Aside from that though...I must say that I really respect Bush taking such an opinionated stand for this, it's about damn time a politician stuck to his guns on something and the issue of gay marriage's is a good thing for him to be definitevely against. I think that the world is getting ridiculous, the only reason anyone thinks that gay marriages are ok is because they have gotten desensitized and normalized to the concept. If you saw people get murdered all day every day in real life, eventually you would not think it was wrong either...it's the same issue with gay marriages, just because they have grown to be accepted, does not make them right. I will admit, on a purely sexual level the concept of two women enjoying each other sexually is, well...quite nice. But when I really think about it, I cant stand lesbian's either. Besides, they are RARELY as hot as they are made out to be, most are quite scary looking. Black240...dont even get me started on the issue of abortion. I'm adopted and I think adoption is ALWAYS a better option than abortion, I mean...if my birth parents had chosen abortion instead of adoption, I wouldnt be here. Now you wouldn't want that now would you?

Post by **skydragoness** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

excellent...

the media of course, wants you to focus on the religious and religion-derived moral basis of the recent ban on gay marriage. it's much easier to have the masses focus their approval/opposition towards that than have them know that the government (and employers) simply don't want to recognize gay couples' unions because it would mean they would have to give them the same perks that heterosexual married couples get. it's a monetary reason foremost, the religious/moral reason is the facade. (the government having morals? ah, that's a good one. :oface)*and* being that the president is a republican, and this is a controversial issue. the outcome is expected.

Post by **Nathan** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

The president is also a Methodist and has strong religious feelings and strong morals

I think he's one of the few politicians who's actually trying to do the right thing most of the time.

Post by **SmithSR** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

I grow weary of people pushing their agenda in the name of equality.

Looking for justification of your actions is one thing. Pushing your lifestyle on others in the name of seeking equality is another. It's also very wrong, and will never result in actual equality. Any rational person understands this. So, we must conclude that they know what they are doing isn't for equality....even though they publicly label it as such.

Post by **skydragoness** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

of course SR

there is no such thing as equality. there never will be.

Post by **Jeff Williams** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:54 am

This whole issue, IMO, boils down to 2 things:1. Politics - Some political person made a promise to get votes, now he is making good on his promise.2. Money - Tax dollars, and Lawyer fees.

I don't agree with same sex mariages, or homosexuality, but I believe the government dosen't need to be even wasting its time on these issues. Lets spend some time on more important issues.

Most heterosexual marriages end in divorce. What makes you think same-sex marriages will be any different.

Why can't we all just get along?

Just thought i'd ramble, for a few minutes.:oface

Been debating whether to post this...

Been debating whether to post this...

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