BD stage 1, no more t3?

[2s4x0]

Does the Stage 1 kit no longer come with the t3? I look on the website and now it says it comes with t3/t4. Before you had to pay extra to get t3/t4.

[hannibal]

It probably only comes with a T3/T4 now. PJ had been doing some rearranging of his kits. I'm sure once he's in full production, things will settle down.

He used to use 0.63A/R turbos and he used to include the Emanage in stg 2 kits...

[ILikeMy240sx]

I jused checked the site and the price is now 2000 which is still a good price.

BTW, in the description I dont see a 12:1 FMU that I used to see but it's in the picture I believe... ?? im confused

[2s4x0]

Yeah, dammit I wanted my t3. Also, about that 12:1 FMU. Now that it is no longer included in the Stage 1 kit, is that something that i should buy extra?

[WDRacing]

Dude, the T3/TO4 is a way better turbo for the KA. The T3 is far to small IMO.

[boostdesigns.com]

i have finally had time to do enough research on the t3 versus the t3/t4 and i determined the diffrence in spool time was marginal plus you can make mad HP in the future without having to upgrade the turbo. i only added 100.00 to the kit for the upgrade where as before it was 200.00 to upgrade. as far as the FMU i personally got tired of people emailing me asking could they get it without it becouse they read that it would not work well at 8 psi even though i had mine doing 9 psi for a year with no problems at all. so now the stage 1 is classified as a BASIC KIT!!! seeing as you can find sr injectors readily available now and most people have an safc of some sort. enjoy!!!! i still carry them on the site if people are wanting to use them. thanks

[modestmouse]

So how is it a deal if you remove the FMU and add the turbo? Why didn't you just give the option of eliminating the FMU? You would sell more kits if they were a complete bolt in. Just a thought from a possible buyer!

[tyler4130]

2 grand for turbo kit with out fmu is still the best deal out there and you dont need fmu its a stage 1

[2s4x0]

OK. So, I can still get Stage 1 and it comes with everything i need exept the oil lines or whatever? Sorry, I'm not that knowledgable with this stuff, I just want to be absolutely sure of everything before I purchase. Thanks

[DammitBobby]

2 grand for turbo kit with out fmu is still the best deal out there and you dont need fmu its a stage 1

Turbo kit produces more PSI you need more fuel. Your stock fuel system will not compensate for the extra fuel needed. You either need a FMU or bigger injectors with either a Emanage or SAFC(AEM EMS). Anybody considering a turbo kit should read Corky Bell`s Maximum Boost and get the book from EFI101.com. It will cost you under 50bucks and will get you up to speed so you will at least know the basics. Power cost money! There are many ways to achieve more power. These 2 books will help you make a choice that fits your needs.

[hannibal]

2s4x0, give boostdesigns a call. I'm sure he'll take care of you...

[jmwenick]

Hey, if you changed the turbo and raised the price on the stage 1 kit, shouldn't he lower the price on the stage two kit, since they now use the same turbo?

[boostdesigns.com]

So how is it a deal if you remove the FMU and add the turbo? Why didn't you just give the option of eliminating the FMU? You would sell more kits if they were a complete bolt in. Just a thought from a possible buyer!

i still offer the cheapest kit on the market that has quality a warranty and was built from the ground up for the ka24de-t i also support the equipment with technical info and i carry all the supportingg hardware for the kit. this kit may not be for everyone there are others out there if ours does not meet your needs. thanks

[modestmouse]

I'm just pointing out something that you might not realize. I understand that you offer a good, less expensive turbo kit for the KA and I respect anyone who can do that. But, instead of riding off the fact that your kit is cheaper, offer the community more options. It's hard enough to find a kit as it is. Let alone one that fits the users needs. You could let people custom tailor the kit on the site with a few menus and you'd never hear a complaint again. People Love Options.

[WDRacing]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm typing this in a hurry. The FMU costs 100 bucks, the T3/TO4 is a $200 upgrade. So he raised the price 100 dollars...Seems like a deal to me even without the FMU. Plus, PJ still sells the damn FMU if you want it...he already said that. Am I the only one reading this?

Here's the way bussiness works, he can either sink a ton of overhead into keeping several turbo's in stock, not good, or use the upgraded turbo with all the kits and eliminate 50% of the overhead costs. Hmm...seems like a no brainer.

Lets bare in mind that PJ sells the cheapest quality kit on the market...period. You'd be hard pressed to build your own for that cheap.

WD

[modestmouse]

I respect your oppinion but I have to disagree on one point. It would be rather easy to put together a turbo kit for $2000

Something that I should mention is that there is still Boost Evolution's kit as an option for anyone who still wants the T3. It's also still more affordable.

[WDRacing]

You go build the kit with all brand new parts and we'll see how much you spend. You have to figure PJ has to make some money to pay the bills....

[hannibal]

Lets bare in mind that PJ sells the cheapest quality kit on the market...period. You'd be hard pressed to build your own for that cheap.

WD

Thats a fact!

it seems like you can beat those prices, but once you start planning everything out, little things like IC hoses and oil feed kits will push you over the $2000 mark.

IMO, still the best kit for the money. And dont mention boost evolution in BD's threads.

[Dattebayo]

You are also forgetting all the other wonderful little things you need to make a turbo reliable on a KA.

[hannibal]

Hey, we can have that debate with a few drinks some time...

[jmwenick]

Sure, I think he did a good job with changing the price around for the stage 1 kit, but what about stage 2, the t3/t4 was supposed to be part of the upgrade, and now it's included in stage 1. shouldn't that drop down the price a little? just my opinion.

[SHIEF]

I respect your oppinion but I have to disagree on one point. It would be rather easy to put together a turbo kit for $2000

Something that I should mention is that there is still Boost Evolution's kit as an option for anyone who still wants the T3. It's also still more affordable.

Your an idiot......Like WD said, put a turbo kit together with NEW parts for $2000, it won't happen. I can read too WD

[modestmouse]

IMO, still the best kit for the money. And dont mention boost evolution in BD's threads.

Haha, sorry guys. No harm meant.

[hannibal]

No biggie.The two companies are often confused for each other. But they have entirely different business ethics. Thats why BD is a sponsor

Just look at the prices for yourself and try to beat them. Its tough...

[modestmouse]

Thanks for acting mature about it, IWannaS15. It's really sad when people get so touchy about turbo's!

[SHIEF]

Well if you don't know what your talking about, then don't go and tell people what's 'better/cheaper', that's all.

[modestmouse]

Burn SHIEF, Burn...

[SHIEF]

Um...ok

[Tictakman]

if someone that is going to buy the bd kit w the t3/t4 and wants the t3 that was on it let me know. i one and its got less than 2000 miles on it. ill trade ya. im looking to get hp in the end, but i do still like the t3 that im running.

Zak

[WDRacing]

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