Battle of the Widebands

[Jookmasta]

Well im finally thinking of getting a wideband as im gonna need a retune as soon as the upgraded maf goes in. ive been debating between the lc-1 and the zeixtronic units. The price discrepancy is 100 bux. i would be datalogging on my labtop and the lc-1 really made the list since it can convert my useless narrowband a/f gauge into an accurate piece of machinery.....the zeixtronic can't do that. but the zeixtronic has a sampling rate of 74 as supposed to the lc-1's 12. i wouldnt be getting any of those sensors with the zeixtronic besides whatever the basic package comes with. which would yall go with or which wideband would you suggest and why?

[virus77]

Ive been using my zeitronix for 2 years now with over 25K turbocharged miles and she hasnt skipped a beat, still using the 02 sensor that came with the kit too. It also lets you datalog a few things including rpm and you can take a voltage input I believe (like mafs) so it makes tuning a/f's pretty simple

[DammitBobby]

Yep I like my Zeitronix to. I am going to sell my manual boost gauge, pod and buy the optional boost gauge. It will allow me to data log boost with a/f.

[1WheelWonder]

If I had to purchase a wideband again it would be one with datalogging capabilitys.

[hysteria]

bikirom is set up to work with a bosch wideband, so i don't know about compatability issues or anything for plug and play setup. but you never mentioned anything about being interested in biki to begin with.... just thought i'd throw that out there.the zeixtronic sounds like a great buy.

[GEO]

why not a plx-m300 ?

[Jookmasta]

well the plx has the same sampling rate as the innovative and it is more expensive than the lc-1 or zeixtronic. they do have a thing that can also make the narrowband a/f gauge accurate but tack on an extra 35 bux for that. those are the three most popular wideband companies i assume but ive been looking at only those two due to reviews and what i want it to do. anybody care to chime in on their experience with the plx? bump for more opinions and suggestions

[Craving4Boost]

iono about the rest but i also have a plx m300....it cost 320$ shipped but wire the power source...put the 02 sensor in DP and your done. it works great and has accurate reading. well worth it

[GEO]

Yep... Its the easiest wideband to use and isntall. No calibrations...

[DammitBobby]

Basically you can do the same with the Zeitronix but the Zeitronix will allow you to do more. Data logging to me is a big thing. I don`t know about everybody else but the boost gauge and rpm move to fast for me. It is really hard to watch everything. So much easier to look at a graph then it is to try and tune in real time.

[duncan351]

No one here has mentioned the AEM. Is there something I don't know about them? They seem like a nice WB.

[mirra32]

running PLX-300 here....absolutly love it....so easy to use...just plug in the o2 sensor...positive and negative and your good to go....

[crzycav86]

I got my lm-1 a year ago(gameboy one).

I don't like that it's really big, but I do like that it's accurate, and that I got it from ka24de.com, a long time NICO sponsor.

[Jookmasta]

well the aem is a nice wideband but definitely higher up in price and also for some reason, there are very few group buys on em. plus sponsors seem to be gettin the other brands for cheaper and the other brands are performing as well if not better than the aem. aem makes good stuff from my personal experience but they didnt make it in my list as i have ran out of room in my car for more gauges..............how much did yall pay for ur plx? they are coming out with a new r-300 shortly according to their website................bump for more suggestions and opinions.

[Craving4Boost]

320$ shipped. i forgot the website though...what was it again anthony? streetsomething.com i forget

[sunnys14]

plx m300 works great, but if only it had the datalogging capability...

[silencer.1]

I've been rocking a Zeitronics for the summer. The datalogging makes tuning really easy. It's been working great for me and you can get additional sensors to log boost and egt in addition to rpm, voltage, a/f, etc.

[Jookmasta]

anyone know of any zeixtronic group buys going on? did some searching and came up with no dice. ive heard stories about the lm-1 sensors going bad quickly and i must say that the few times i had my car tuned was with the lm-1. it didnt like my car that much so i think i may shy away from the lc-1 based on that. anyone been running the lc-1?

[240SicknessX]

andre, the zeitronix is 74 samples per second. When i was in your car watching the afr's with the lm-1 they were slow and choppy. The numbers skipped around and wernt smooth. Not to mention the searching from the lm-1 module to the tach to watch for lean spikes was next to impossible at only 9psi.

zeitronix is easy to install. Well i say easy becuase my safcII installation was easy also. If you know how to install a safc II \ read a wire layout and match colors, your fine. Its not hard at all, take your time and be accurate about it. Installation procedures should be the least of your concerns. After that you plug the serial connection into your laptop and log all the nessacary imputs to achive your desired afr. The base zeitronix unit logs rpm, tps, afr and lambda. You can add boost, egt, and what ever 0-5 volt reference that you would like to monitor or log. Being able to see the tps vs rpm and afr i am able to make better decisions about my part throttle settings and my throttle points. Its easier to look at a pull on a laptop screen data then simultaneously keeping the car on the road.

[Edub1]

Excuse me if this is a stupid question but wouldn't it be better to put the $300 towards having your car dyno tuned by an expert?

[Jookmasta]

300 bux goes down the drain as supposed the wideband being put to use whenever i want for however many times i want..............dyno's are good for high hp cars IMO b/c its just unsafe to tune a 500hp car on the road. not to say that a ka-t is safe on any road but i mean if u really think u can tune a 500hp car on the road, i hope u live in montana.................plus remember that u run the same risk with a dyno as their wideband may not be calibrated properly..............

and ya rick, zeixtronic has definitely been made my final decision. i looked up the lc-1 on innovative's website and i must say that there are probably just as many threads about people having issues with it as there are threads in nico's 240sx general section. people that purchase widebands i would think have some sort of common car knowledge so i dont think a majority of those issues are user based.........not trying to bash innovative but this is what i gathered from reading about 5 pages worth of threads on the lc-1.

so ya, anyone know of any zeitronix group buys going on or does anyone know off the top of their head any reputable vendor to get it from? (no one say ebay btw) lol.

[240SicknessX]

Excuse me if this is a stupid question but wouldn't it be better to put the $300 towards having your car dyno tuned by an expert?

I change tunes fequently for different boost levels for what ever motorsport im doing. I cant see having someone else tune my car for the different demands that need to be met.

I take my time, check my plugs, check the logged data, check my plugs again, make boost alterations, check data, check plugs 1000 more times. I have traveled 600 miles to a drift event, made 15 passes down the track in 3 hours, and have put 5500 miles on my ka-t and still have perfect compression.

I have not dynoed my car yet but by spinning both 245-50-16's on a second gear roll i guess im making some power. beaten on daily. tuning will keep your ka-t alive, you can have a professional tune it, or learn to professionally tune it. Yes you are taking more of a risk tuning it your self but i cant see paying someone else to tune my never ending project. I in no way am saying that professional dyno tuning isnt worth it, its a good avenue for being safe.

zeitronix wbo2 = good stuff.