Barack Obama....

[ADDirishboy]

....is the official Democratic presidential candidate.

Is anyone else a little scared about this?? i mean come on, the dude has done absolutely NOTHING and promises hope and change for the better. His church pastor is insane. Reverend Wright (the churches pastor or preist or whatever) blames 9/11 on the US, yet at the same time says that America got its comeuppance for being a "terrible" country on 9/11. anyone see a flaw in this logic? we punished ourselves?? ok....

Another thing I hate is that all these liberals pull the race card. "oh if you don't vote for Obama it's because your racist." no. first off, Obama is only half black. And I'm not voting for Obama because he is a lying ****. Anyone else hear the speach he gave about how one of his uncles helped to liberate a Nazi camp? Yea, there's a couple things wrong with that. for one thing, Auschwitz, the Nazi camp Obama is referring to, wasn't liberated by American's, but by Russians. problem number two is that Obama doesn't have an uncle.

lol *end rant.but seriously, is anyone freaked out by the prospect that Obama could and probably will be our next President??

[themadscientist]

Wrong forum chief. moved

[ADDirishboy]

haha sorry

[AZhitman]

<-- Not worried.

Mark my words, and I said it here, he won't be Prez.

[ADDirishboy]

As much as i am hoping that he doesn't become president, i can't help but to still be worried. Hilary has already stated that if she is offered the VP position she would gladly take it. and let's be honest, the pair of them together will NEVER get voted down.

[gniknave]

I'm guessing this thread won't last long in Gen. Chat (there's a Politics forum I believe). So I'm just going to say no I'm not freaked out. I've been freaked out for the last 8 years with Bush.

[scissors4hands]

i highly doubt if he does become president he will last very long...

[ADDirishboy]

i highly doubt if he does become president he will last very long...

wow that is awesome.

[Loki]

In Before Move To Politics Forum....oh wait. TMS is crazy fast.

Okay. First of all. I'm delighted. Obama seems like a fine and capable person. I see him speak and I don't get the feeling I get when most other politicians speak. I genuinely trust him to an extent.

Second. Blah blah no experience OMFG we're doomed. Stop crying. If he really had no experience and no idea what he was doing, he wouldn't have just become the democratic nominee. I'll give you that he isn't exactly predictable, but I feel this speaks more that he isn't tainted by the horrendous bureaucracy that is killing us.

Third. His pastor. Stop listening to Fox News. Please. Last I checked, his name is Barack Obama and not Jeremiah Wright. We all have nuts in our lives, does that mean we become just like them by osmosis? Oh, but Loki, if he goes to his church he must be wacko too. Yeah, well, Wright isn't Obama's pastor any more. Why was Wright his pastor for so long, I do not know, but jumping to the conclusion that Obama firmly believes in those ideas is just stupid. This whole Wright mess is just a pitiful attempt at smearing Obama's name. If Obama had outright rejected Wright right when his name started getting airtime? Then the next day the headlines would read "Obama hates all religion!" It's just some pointless issue that talking heads use to drag someone's name through the mud.

Fourth. Race....yeah, say it's not an issue all you want, but a lot of Americans have a least a little bit of racism in them. I even get that feeling from reading your post. My mom even called me sexist because I voted for Obama - and not Hildabeast - in the PA primaries. Can't have anything to do with not liking Hillary's ideas, oh no. You can be hot pink for all I care, what matters to me is who you are as a person.

Fifth. Obama DOESN'T have an uncle, does he? I can't find if Ann or Barack Sr had any brothers, but it is of no matter. Just think. How old would Barack's hypothetical uncle be? Roughly 50-60? So that would make him how old during the waning years of World War II? Oh wait, he wouldn't have been born yet. Yes, it was actually his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne of Infantry Division, who fought in WWII. And I think you are correct that Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops. Well, Obama simply mistook Buchenwald for Auschwitz, and the US Holocaust Museum confirms that Charlie Payne's Infantry Division helped liberate Buchenwald. Obama is an attorney, and not a history teacher. I'm not going to fault him too greatly for confusing the two.

I have to say, I hope he will become president and I am deeply saddened because I feel there IS a great chance he will be shot. Also, no matter WHO wins the election, Bush is still going to be gone. Which makes me quite happy.

And AZ...it may come down to who he picks as running mate. Radio at work was saying there is a chance he and Hillary might join together, which I think would be good since it'll help bring the Demo party back together. Your average dumbass voter is getting very anti-republican these days. And you know there is power in numbers...

[themadscientist]

I only do one thing slow baby, she's in for the night.

[scissors4hands]

btw my statement was not a threat, just a educated guess...

i dont want a hired killer too sneak through my house an hog tie me to my bed an play pulp fiction with my arse before he kills me.

[ADDirishboy]

you got the impression that I'm a little racist? well, can't disagree with you sir. but it's not towards black people ill tell you that.

And I agree with you that he seems very intelligent. very unlike our current dip**** president. and no, i am not a republican in case you thought i was from my post. I'm not democratic either. both parties suck in their own ways.

The reason i bring up reverend Wright is because usually the reason you go to a certain church is because you believe most of the things that are being said. and Obama said he and his family went regularly, yet he never heard Wright say any hateful things. well then apparently he didn't go very often cause there are numerous videos now of Wright's bull**** propaganda being thrown around.

As for the Uncle thing, I'm skeptic about the whole story. Obama is not the greatest speaker in the world, he tends to get confused and say the wrong things. like for instance, saying uncle instead of cousin. or recently when he said "America is the greatest counrty in the world, help me change it." that one made me lol. i know he didn't mean it how it came out, but again he isn't the best speaker. still better than Bush however.

and i completely agree with you when you say you will be glad when Bush is gone. He has not been a very good President. I'm happy that he will soon be out, but i feel like Bush will be assassinated LONG before Obama is.

[Loki]

The Wright thing is a mess, but I hate how people are always assuming Obama is as much a wackjob as the media shows Wright to be. Obama and his PR troop were just trying to play to godfearing America. It's like the abortion issue: both extremes get you ****ed in the end.

And the Uncle "Lie" is pretty much just as I said it was. He said Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald. That's all. And it IS his uncle, his great-uncle, not his cousin. It still beats Hillary saying she had to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia.

And if you think Bush would get shot before Obama, then you've never been to the South...

[ADDirishboy]

yea thats a good point. people in the south would gladly shoot Obama.And Hilary's sniper fire thing, that was so effing funny. i could not believe she said something that stupid.dumb *****

[themadscientist]

I don't get to talk about race, I'm white.

[Loki]

I'm watching Obama's speech right now on some politics channel. I just want to hug the man! I never thought I could actually like a politician.

[ADDirishboy]

I don't get to talk about race, I'm white.

seriously tho. I'm a white, Christian Male. I'm the scum of the earth

[AZhitman]

I'm watching Obama's speech right now on some politics channel. I just want to hug the man! I never thought I could actually like a politician.

It's the "Beatles Effect". I thought only teenaged girls were afflicted.

[Loki]

Eh. I guess. I'm only 19 here Greg, the only memory I have of major politicians speaking is George Bush. It's not hard to impress me

[ADDirishboy]

Eh. I guess. I'm only 19 here Greg, the only memory I have of major politicians speaking is George Bush. It's not hard to impress me

dude im 19 too, you can't remember Bill Clinton? that dumbass?

[HashiriyaS14]

Clinton has publicly stated (or at least her campaign has) that she would be okay with being Vice President.

This puts Obama in the position of almost HAVING to say yes because if he doesn't, it will appear to compromise party unity, a very sensitive subject at the moment.

In wide polls (not the weekly 4k person gallup), Obama TROUNCES McCain nationally, and an Obama/Hillary ticket would pick up his swing states while still retaining the democratic base states that she is so popular with. They *would* win.

The only real wild card as I see it is Nader, who announced he was running Green and then went quiet. Nader could seriously derail the democratic bid for the White House....although I'm not ruling out that Ron Paul might also run as an independent and thus counteract that from the other side.

McCain doesn't impress me anymore. He was a very bright star back in 2000 with his maverick ideals and the straight talk express, however he's bent too much to the will of the social conservatives who run the GOP nowadays.

I find it interesting that he pulled the "small government" card last night when he is generally in support of anything but. NEITHER of the candidates (nor hillary, obviously) are fiscal conservatives, and neither is our current President. They are ALL in support of big government in some guise or other.

I still think that it's *likely* that Hillary and Obama will run on a joint ticket so Obama can appear like a uniter, and if this happens I think it's more likely than not that Obama will become the President.

[Loki]

dude im 19 too, you can't remember Bill Clinton? that dumbass?

Nope. I seriously can't really remember anything prior to 2000.

[wingFeather]

is anyone freaked out by the prospect that Obama could and probably will be our next President??

I'm worn out from trying to educate people on my local forum about Obama. They seem to think he is the second coming of Jesus! They have no clue about his crappy agendas & how he will destroy this country. Hopefully he would be removed "with force" if he got elected.

[mtcookson]

I think Obama taking Hillary as a vice president would be a bad idea... I can actually see her being twisted enough to actually have him "removed" so that she could become president.

[Cold_Zero]

In Before Move To Politics Forum....oh wait. TMS is crazy fast.

Okay. First of all. I'm delighted. Obama seems like a fine and capable person. I see him speak and I don't get the feeling I get when most other politicians speak. I genuinely trust him to an extent.

Personally, I dont fall for all the hype. I view his supporters being one of two types of people (there may be more).1. Old people that want to re-live their younger years with JFK and RFK and the hope that these young politicians brought to the political scene. Kind of relive those glory days.2. Young folks like myself that were born after the 60s and never got to vote for guys like JFK and RFK and to be a part of the Social Movements of the 1960's. Sorry folks, I have no want to re-live the 1960's, the 1970's (which I remember) nor the 80's or 90's. Lets live in the now.

Loki, your first mistake is trusting a politician. As the old adage says, "How do you know if a politician is lying? His mouth is moving." Nuff said on any side of the aisle.

Quote »Second. Blah blah no experience OMFG we're doomed. Stop crying. If he really had no experience and no idea what he was doing, he wouldn't have just become the democratic nominee. I'll give you that he isn't exactly predictable, but I feel this speaks more that he isn't tainted by the horrendous bureaucracy that is killing us.[/quote]In today's society and the political process is not exempt, it is more about your popularity and the perception you put forward that actual merit. Look at the past two Presidents. I do have to hand it to GHW Bush. He actually did something before becoming President. US Navy Aviator/ Veteran of WWII, Congressional Representative, Director of Central Intelligence, Ambassador to the UN and the best training for being President of the United State, being the Vice President.No offense, but if you can't see that Obama is tainted goods then you are lapping up the hype. He IS part of the bureaucracy that makes up his home state of Illinois. And when elected as President, I can see the Executive Branch of the United States Government being a bigger Bureaucracy than it was under Clinton. I just pray that the FBI and the BATF and INS (now ICE) will not be used as hit squads again.

Quote » Third. His pastor. Stop listening to Fox News. Please. Last I checked, his name is Barack Obama and not Jeremiah Wright. We all have nuts in our lives, does that mean we become just like them by osmosis? Oh, but Loki, if he goes to his church he must be wacko too. Yeah, well, Wright isn't Obama's pastor any more. Why was Wright his pastor for so long, I do not know, but jumping to the conclusion that Obama firmly believes in those ideas is just stupid. This whole Wright mess is just a pitiful attempt at smearing Obama's name. If Obama had outright rejected Wright right when his name started getting airtime? Then the next day the headlines would read "Obama hates all religion!" It's just some pointless issue that talking heads use to drag someone's name through the mud.[/quote]ABC News NOT Fox News broke the story. Contrary to popular belief but Sean Hannity, while he hosts a show on Fox News, his radio show is through ABC Radio. And Glenn Beck's TV show is owned by CNN and his radio show is owned by Clear Channel. Soo.... where does Fox News play into this? I am confused. These are the two guys that I kept hearing on the Radio playing 10-20 minute clips of Wright's sermons. Reverend Hagee never got that luxury, NBC played 2 sentences of his sermon on Israel.

But seriously, when you strive for the highest political office in the United States it is to be expected that all of your relationships and past dealings will be scrutinized. And I know that is convenient and expedient for you as an Obama supporter to shrug off his relationship with Rev. Wright. But let's remember, Wright was Obama's Spiritual Leader. No difference from Billy Graham's dealing with all the past Presidents. Now do I hold all my political, social and religious views that my pastor does? No not necessarily. But his influence on me as well as the Elders at my church are pretty important. I think it is foolish to say otherwise. I have already told my Pastor if he starts to preach about Politics from the Pulpit, he is gone. His Divine Call is the Preach the Word of God and Administer the Sacraments, not to Politic. But hey, I wont get started on Social Gospel and Liberation Theology (of which Rev. Wright is a part of) and its destructive affects on Modern American Christianity.

Quote »Fourth. Race....yeah, say it's not an issue all you want, but a lot of Americans have a least a little bit of racism in them. I even get that feeling from reading your post. My mom even called me sexist because I voted for Obama - and not Hildabeast - in the PA primaries. Can't have anything to do with not liking Hillary's ideas, oh no. You can be hot pink for all I care, what matters to me is who you are as a person. [/quote]Agreed.

Quote »Fifth. Obama DOESN'T have an uncle, does he? I can't find if Ann or Barack Sr had any brothers, but it is of no matter. Just think. How old would Barack's hypothetical uncle be? Roughly 50-60? So that would make him how old during the waning years of World War II? Oh wait, he wouldn't have been born yet. Yes, it was actually his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne of Infantry Division, who fought in WWII. And I think you are correct that Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops. Well, Obama simply mistook Buchenwald for Auschwitz, and the US Holocaust Museum confirms that Charlie Payne's Infantry Division helped liberate Buchenwald. Obama is an attorney, and not a history teacher. I'm not going to fault him too greatly for confusing the two.[/quote]I guess if McCain needs to take a class on "Islam for Dummies" to brush up on Middle Eastern Religions and Clinton needs to take "Bosnian Snipers for Dummies" then Obama needs "WWII History for Dummies" and "American States for Dummies" due to his comment that there are 57 states in the Union and now comments about his 'Uncle's' service in WWII.No offence to anyone's relatives, but everyone has an Uncle or Grandfather that is a WWII Hero that served with General Patton and who Liberated France or Germany or Ravensbruck. My Opa has a signed letter from Charles De Gaulle thanking him for his service in Liberating France in his US Army file. He was in France for a total of 3 months before he was hit by a Mortar during the Battle of the Bulge and was evacuated to England. I think everyone that served in Europe got the letter.

Quote »I have to say, I hope he will become president and I am deeply saddened because I feel there IS a great chance he will be shot. Also, no matter WHO wins the election, Bush is still going to be gone. Which makes me quite happy.[/quote]I dont know maybe this is the Conservative in me, but I DONT look to politicians to save the world or to save me. I resent the Messianic rhetoric of Obama that all ills will be fixed and Washington will be put back on track. No offence, but a lot of people that want Obama to win (not necessarily you) dont want a President, they want a Dictator to usher in their style of society. They want a President that can break through the gridlock and enact real change. They want a President that can make the politicians in Washington play nice. Global Marxism here we come! The President’s job is to administrate the Executive Branch of the government and as far as I am concerned gridlock in Washington DC keeps extremism from forcing bad ideas down the American people’s throats.

[HashiriyaS14]

As far as I am concerned gridlock in Washington DC keeps extremism from forcing bad ideas down the American people’s throats.

+1

I am supporting the Dems this season because I think that the GOP has sold out (another discussion), but I would love to see a GOP-dominated legislative branch again.

I DO think that the current Democratic dominance in the legislative branch will likely be short-lived if we get a Democractic President.

I've found that I like the balance of a Democratic President and a conservative legislative branch. Give me 1994-1995 and the Contract With America all over again!

[Cold_Zero]

Hash,You know we disagree from time to time on these discussions, but I could not agree with you more...and with a Congress (controlled by the Democrats) with a lower approval rating than GW Bush, this November shall be interesting!

[ishkabibble]

<-- Not worried.

Mark my words, and I said it here, he won't be Prez.

Marked and quoted for posterity.

[AZhitman]

CZ, you never fail to impress me with your grasp of all things worldly.

I'll take Obama as Prez if the GOP takes back the House and Senate (which it would).

Bud makes good points - Keep in mind that 90% of what the candidates CLAIM to plan to do, they don't have the POWER to do. So it really doesn't matter.

I just read an article that broke down BO's "plan for change". All but two were determined to be fluff, as POTUS has minimal to no impact on.

[themadscientist]

Mr. Obama, what is your platform?

"hope"

Er, ah care to elaborate a bit?

"the audacity of hope"

mmmkay